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    Promote then, as an object of primary importance, institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge. In proportion as the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that public opinion should be enlightened.

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    Innocent until proven guilty? Habeas corpus? Archaic concepts held by those who obviously have something to hide.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/12/...ase/index.html

    On Tuesday, Maryland starts expanding its DNA database, collecting samples from people arrested for murder, rape, and assault instead of just collecting DNA from convicted criminals.

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    At least 21 other states are considering proposals similar to Maryland's.

    Changes are coming at the federal level as well. The government soon will begin collecting DNA samples from anyone arrested or detained by the feds, including illegal immigrants.

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    Most states with the new DNA arrestee laws require the police to automatically destroy the samples if suspects are found not guilty or the charges are dropped. But federal authorities require a formal request before they'll destroy a specific DNA sample.

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    "Is it worth the risk to make sure that we get these cases solved and keep people behind bars who should be behind bars?" she said. "Those who are innocent have nothing to fear"
    Promote then, as an object of primary importance, institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge. In proportion as the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that public opinion should be enlightened.

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    "Those who are innocent have nothing to fear"
    I think that's one of the most ridiculous defenses of a program that we should make, after reading a story like this one.

    I know they're not related directly (this story and Orang's), but come on, already... if its a government thing, its inept, poorly managed, and will cover its arse real quick when it screws up... at the price of some unsuspecting but innocent tax payer (you know, one of the people that actually writes the check that allows the government to exist and run the horse's ass program in the first f'n place).

    Enough already.

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    http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/bl...ne/bk4ch27.htm

    ...for the law holds, that it is better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer.
    Promote then, as an object of primary importance, institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge. In proportion as the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that public opinion should be enlightened.

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    http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/14/america/visa.php


    ...Cooper, 23, who had promised to show her boyfriend another side of her country on this visit - meaning Las Vegas and the Grand Canyon - eventually learned that he had been sent in shackles to a rural Virginia jail. He remained there for more than 10 days, locked up without charges or legal recourse while Cooper, her parents and their well-connected neighbors tried everything to get him out.

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    While those turned away are generally sent home on the next flight, "there are occasional circumstances which require further detention to review their cases," De Cima said. And because such "arriving aliens" are not considered to be in the United States at all, even if they are in custody, they have none of the legal rights that even illegal immigrants can claim.

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    After being turned over to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, he was taken to the Pamunkey Regional Jail in Hanover, Virginia, where he ended up in a barracks with 75 other men, including asylum-seekers who told him, he said, that they had been waiting a year.

    Ten days after he landed in Washington, Salerno was still incarcerated, despite efforts by Senator John Warner, a Republican of Virginia, and two former immigration prosecutors hired by the Coopers.

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    But even after officials agreed the asylum issue had been a mistake, Salerno was not released.

    "Now an innocent European, who has never broken any laws, committed any crimes or overstayed his visa, is being held in a county jail," Cooper wrote in an e-mail message to The New York Times last Wednesday, prompting a reporter's inquiries.

    Less than 24 hours later, immigration officials intervened and arranged to deliver Salerno to Dulles, where last Friday he flew to Rome...
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    http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...-brother-comms

    THE GOVERNMENT is indulging in fantasies of a massive database with details of every telephone call, text message, email and web visit made by everyone in Britain, according to The Times newspaper today.

    The government has run plans for the database by industry, even though they haven't yet been shown to parliament or the public, it said...
    Promote then, as an object of primary importance, institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge. In proportion as the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that public opinion should be enlightened.

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    Promote then, as an object of primary importance, institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge. In proportion as the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that public opinion should be enlightened.

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    It all sounds scary, but the British government's history with IT projects and data security is utterly appalling. They leave laptops with military plans, personal records & recruitment details on trains/in taxis. They send sensitive personal information on thousands of people through the post - or just lose them in the internal mail.

    E.g. They've just spent £13 BILLION (about $25 Billion) on a database of medical records. Unfortunately it's utter shite and many doctors are refusing to use it.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06/28/pac_npfit/

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7106366.stm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enmore View Post
    It all sounds scary, but the British government's history with IT projects and data security is utterly appalling. They leave laptops with military plans, personal records & recruitment details on trains/in taxis. They send sensitive personal information on thousands of people through the post - or just lose them in the internal mail.

    E.g. They've just spent £13 BILLION (about $25 Billion) on a database of medical records. Unfortunately it's utter shite and many doctors are refusing to use it.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06/28/pac_npfit/

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7106366.stm
    Iíll trade you our government + George Bush for your government + Tony Blair.

    Heck, Iíll even kick in the Hildabeast to sweeten the dealÖ

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    Quote Originally Posted by tucker View Post
    Iíll trade you our government + George Bush for your government + Tony Blair.

    Heck, Iíll even kick in the Hildabeast to sweeten the dealÖ
    Sounds fair... everyone gets screwed.
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-say-MPs.html

    Every adult in Britain should be forced to carry 'carbon ration cards', say MPs

    By David Derbyshire
    Last updated at 1:08 AM on 27th May 2008

    Every adult should be forced to use a 'carbon ration card' when they pay for petrol, airline tickets or household energy, MPs say.
    The influential Environmental Audit Committee says a personal carbon trading scheme is the best and fairest way of cutting Britain's CO2 emissions without penalising the poor.
    Under the scheme, everyone would be given an annual carbon allowance to use when buying oil, gas, electricity and flights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tucker View Post
    Iíll trade you our government + George Bush for your government + Tony Blair.

    Heck, Iíll even kick in the Hildabeast to sweeten the dealÖ

    Tempting.

    Actually EDS is one of the biggest IT operators over here and they've been shockingly crap too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal View Post
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-say-MPs.html

    Every adult in Britain should be forced to carry 'carbon ration cards', say MPs

    By David Derbyshire
    Last updated at 1:08 AM on 27th May 2008

    Every adult should be forced to use a 'carbon ration card' when they pay for petrol, airline tickets or household energy, MPs say.
    The influential Environmental Audit Committee says a personal carbon trading scheme is the best and fairest way of cutting Britain's CO2 emissions without penalising the poor.
    Under the scheme, everyone would be given an annual carbon allowance to use when buying oil, gas, electricity and flights.
    I can't see it happening now. A lot of Labour MPs (the ruling party) are looking down the barrel in the next election. This would be the last thing they need.

    It's just as nutty (and half plausible) as this:

    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politi...s-20080527978/

    Last edited by Enmore; 05-27-2008 at 03:48 PM.

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    Promote then, as an object of primary importance, institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge. In proportion as the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that public opinion should be enlightened.

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