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  1. #1
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    To upgrade or not... T'is the question

    Hi, first post in a very long time.

    My Dad needs a better computer. His current computer is a PII at 700mHz runing 98SE. My computer is an Opteron 165 OC'd to 2.5gHz & watercooled, MoBo is a DFI Lanparty SLI-DR & 2 GB of Corsair ram. I've been OCing for many years (since the 8088 processor was kicking the Z-80) but I haven't looked into overclocking in the last three years and I'm sorta like Rip Van Winkle.

    His old computer is not much good and I was trying to catch up on what's current that's affordable. Seems like the Motherboards for the Opteron #1 family aren't being made anymore so I need to look elsewhere though the Opty prices sure are good compared a a few years ago when I paid $330 for this 165.

    Was thinking I'd donate my computer to my Dad and put together something markedly faster that wouldn't cost a bundle for myself. I've always had good luck with DFI & Abit but I'm open to other suggestions. I'd like to stay with AMD as they've been good crunchers and I do like overclocking to get the better output for the buck.

    So suggestions on the current processor favored for OC & a nice Mobo would be appreciated. I don't need the most screaming OC as I do want to keep costs down.

    Thanks!

    MM
    CQ de KA1J .... ..

    DFI Lanparty UT nF4 SLI-DR
    Opteron 165 @ 2.754Ghz
    166/200 DRAM divider
    Cathar's Storm G4 CPU Waterblock
    Swiftech MCW55 VGA Waterblock
    Chevy heatercore
    Iwaki MD-20RZ Speed controlled by a 3 amp variac
    Two 120MM 12V DC fans speed controled by a homebrewed variable voltage regulator
    Fan, pump, controls & radiator are within a separate manifold located 10 feet from the computer to allow for silence
    (2) Corsair CMX512-3500C2 = 1.024Gig @ Cas 2-2-2-5 at 250.4 Frequency (250 FSB)
    MSI GeForce 6800 PCIe
    Antec 500W PS & Enermax case

    http://www.doctorgary.net/homebrew.html

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    Re: To upgrade or not... T'is the question

    If you want a high OCer I think Intel rains supreme now. The Quad core Q6600 with a good OC'ing mobo is hard to beat right now.

    Here's what my setup can do. Pretty amazing a 2.4GHz CPU can do 3.6GHz with very little sweat.

    https://home.comcast.net/~boogie3/Benchmarks.htm

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    Re: To upgrade or not... T'is the question

    some sort of $ amount would be helpful.


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    Re: To upgrade or not... T'is the question

    You can pricing at www.newegg.com
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    Re: To upgrade or not... T'is the question

    A $ value would be very helpful, also are you looking at sli/crossfire or single card configs. Intel provides much better OCing unless you are looking at the opterons, still Intels do OC much better.

    I am a real fan of the new X38 boards. I recommend the Asus Maximus Formula ~$260.
    If you are lookigna t SLI then i would recommend the EVGA or XFX or the Asus 780i boards. ~$250-$350.
    As for CPU, it depends whether or not you want to go with the quads, at the unbelievable they are right now I would recommend the Q6600 ~$255 or if your looking at a dual core the E8400 ~$250.
    Since im not sure of the purpose of your computer i would recomend the 9600GT ~$200. If you can specify your requirements and your price range I would be glad to revamp my suggestions.

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    Re: To upgrade or not... T'is the question

    Quote Originally Posted by uddarts View Post
    some sort of $ amount would be helpful.


    ud
    The $ amount does matter of course but I could afford anything this would involve. I'm not a gamer so I don't need every possible cycle. I do a fair amnt. of video work and music work so speed is important.

    Don't really know what to say about prices but can't see paying more than $250 for a processor. or 150 for a motherboard. Don't need but one video card and all audio will go through a LynxTwo audio card.

    Was recently looking at the Phenom 9600 for $240 & the AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Windsor 3.2GHz for $160.

    Since the Opteron processors don't funnel their outputs into one job but rather do two discrete jobs at the same time, I'm guessing the Phenom do four jobs instead of one. The 6400+ is well overclockable and the Phenom doesn't seem to be so good at OC but quads are getting all the press so there must be something to it but they're not 128 bit, they're still 64 bit.

    SInce most programs I use seem to use one core or split the work between two cores but run them at something like 50% each instead of 100% each on one job, having two cores doesn't really make much help.

    It seems like the 6400+ at stock 3.2 gHz & would be better for me as it does a higher clock and the Phenom 9600 is only stock 2.3 gHz and supposedly does not OC so well.

    I'd guess overall the 4 core would be excellent for Boinc as that would run 4 jobs at once and would add up credits faster than two faster ones but running four outputs on Boinc is not a reason for me to go quad.

    Since I don't have a clue & all my googling hasn't given me much of an answer, I'm asking here where I always got excellent help before.

    One thing I did read in the reviews section at Newegg was there's some kind of issue with the Phenom as regards systems locking up and there's comments about motherboard incompatibility with it.

    At this time I'm using XP, I tried Vista and hated it, didn't see anything about it I liked other than some of the gadgets. There were a slew of programs I have that will not work with it so for the foreseeable future, I'll be using XP.

    Also, I would be willing to move my watercooling over to this new processor if that makes a difference. In addition to the Storm, I still have one of Cathar's last Cascade waterblocks I bought from him & his Adapter for the dual core processors hanging around & another Iwaki pump so Watercooling is easily an option for me.

    Suggestions?

    & Thanks!
    CQ de KA1J .... ..

    DFI Lanparty UT nF4 SLI-DR
    Opteron 165 @ 2.754Ghz
    166/200 DRAM divider
    Cathar's Storm G4 CPU Waterblock
    Swiftech MCW55 VGA Waterblock
    Chevy heatercore
    Iwaki MD-20RZ Speed controlled by a 3 amp variac
    Two 120MM 12V DC fans speed controled by a homebrewed variable voltage regulator
    Fan, pump, controls & radiator are within a separate manifold located 10 feet from the computer to allow for silence
    (2) Corsair CMX512-3500C2 = 1.024Gig @ Cas 2-2-2-5 at 250.4 Frequency (250 FSB)
    MSI GeForce 6800 PCIe
    Antec 500W PS & Enermax case

    http://www.doctorgary.net/homebrew.html

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    Re: To upgrade or not... T'is the question

    As far as the 6400 goes, it has limited clocking also. I have had mine stable at 3.44 but I do not consider that much of an overclock.

    For what you wany to do, unless you want to max out memory, there is no real reason to go to Vista. I use Vista but it is a personal preference.

    A much used phrase has been "future proofing". By the time we actually need 4 cores we will be looking at a whole new generation of hardware and software anyway.

    The issue with the Phenom is actually a non issue for the average user. AMD found the problem after months of continuous extreme testing.

    I tried a Phenom but was not impressed. I took mine back and bought the 6400 and have been very happy with it.
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    Re: To upgrade or not... T'is the question

    Get yourself a Q6600 quad core and an Abit IP35-Pro motherboard and you'll be set. There's really no good reason to go AMD right now if you're into Bionic. You can get a Q6600 for around $250 now, so price shouldn't stop you from getting a quad core, and the IP35-Pro is going for under $140 after rebate. If you don't need the extras the IP35-Pro gives you, the IP35-E (my board) only runs $60. It's also an excellent overclocking board.

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    Re: To upgrade or not... T'is the question

    Quote Originally Posted by Boogie View Post
    If you want a high OCer I think Intel rains supreme now. The Quad core Q6600 with a good OC'ing mobo is hard to beat right now.

    Here's what my setup can do. Pretty amazing a 2.4GHz CPU can do 3.6GHz with very little sweat.

    https://home.comcast.net/~boogie3/Benchmarks.htm
    Certainly are nice specs.

    My last Intel processor was a PII 333 mHz and it is now my mother's computer. I've been using AMD ever since then & like many things about the way they have run their business. Intel's marketing has really turned me off. Marketing aside, it looks like their new chips are doing the better work right now though.

    Perhaps I should look at this processor & an inexpensive board, it might be good to go for the next 4 years till I upgrade again.

    I was impressed at the amount of good reviews at Newegg on this processor.

    Guess I'll have to mull it over & see about Motherboards; seems like the boards I saw at Newegg were around $200 & up, seems kinda steep.

    Thanks for the input.
    CQ de KA1J .... ..

    DFI Lanparty UT nF4 SLI-DR
    Opteron 165 @ 2.754Ghz
    166/200 DRAM divider
    Cathar's Storm G4 CPU Waterblock
    Swiftech MCW55 VGA Waterblock
    Chevy heatercore
    Iwaki MD-20RZ Speed controlled by a 3 amp variac
    Two 120MM 12V DC fans speed controled by a homebrewed variable voltage regulator
    Fan, pump, controls & radiator are within a separate manifold located 10 feet from the computer to allow for silence
    (2) Corsair CMX512-3500C2 = 1.024Gig @ Cas 2-2-2-5 at 250.4 Frequency (250 FSB)
    MSI GeForce 6800 PCIe
    Antec 500W PS & Enermax case

    http://www.doctorgary.net/homebrew.html

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    Re: To upgrade or not... T'is the question

    Quote Originally Posted by kbohip View Post
    Get yourself a Q6600 quad core and an Abit IP35-Pro motherboard and you'll be set. There's really no good reason to go AMD right now if you're into Bionic. You can get a Q6600 for around $250 now, so price shouldn't stop you from getting a quad core, and the IP35-Pro is going for under $140 after rebate. If you don't need the extras the IP35-Pro gives you, the IP35-E (my board) only runs $60. It's also an excellent overclocking board.
    LOL, you posted this as I was replying to Boogie's post. I'll google for those boards & see what they offer. $60 sounds mighty appealing.

    Thanks!
    CQ de KA1J .... ..

    DFI Lanparty UT nF4 SLI-DR
    Opteron 165 @ 2.754Ghz
    166/200 DRAM divider
    Cathar's Storm G4 CPU Waterblock
    Swiftech MCW55 VGA Waterblock
    Chevy heatercore
    Iwaki MD-20RZ Speed controlled by a 3 amp variac
    Two 120MM 12V DC fans speed controled by a homebrewed variable voltage regulator
    Fan, pump, controls & radiator are within a separate manifold located 10 feet from the computer to allow for silence
    (2) Corsair CMX512-3500C2 = 1.024Gig @ Cas 2-2-2-5 at 250.4 Frequency (250 FSB)
    MSI GeForce 6800 PCIe
    Antec 500W PS & Enermax case

    http://www.doctorgary.net/homebrew.html

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    Re: To upgrade or not... T'is the question

    Here you go, This wont break the bank too much, and you will still get very good performance out of it.

    CPU- Intel Q6600 $255
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115017

    Motherboard- ABIT IP35 Pro $135 after MIR
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813127030

    Video card- MSI 8600GTS $80 after MIR
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127284

    Case- CM690 $80
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119137

    PSU- Corsair 550W $80 after MIR
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139004

    Ram- corsair Dominator 800MHz 2x1GB $50 after MIR
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145168

    HDD- Samsung spinpoint 500GB $105
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152052

    HS- arctic Cooling 7 Pro $27
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835186134

    Total $812

    This is an approximate, this setup will allow you to overclock your cpu to around 3.4GHz with moderate heat. If you need insane cooling power and dont mind too much noise check this fan out http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811999344

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