View Poll Results: Is EAX 5.0 so great that it outweighs all of the negatives?

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Thread: Eax

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    Eax

    how many of you think that eax 5.0 makes a huge difference and that it's worth any hassles you might have with a creative labs card?

    i don't. i've said many times that higher bit rates/less lossy or no compression and software audio engines are the best way to go, not increasing the lousy non-linear eax sound fx that can often be stomped by a super nes.

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    Re: Eax

    EAX blows the doors off software 3D sound engines. Load up Doom 3 or HL2 and close your eyes. Turn your character slowly and note how the "positional" sounds lurch from speaker to speaker. Now load up something with decent EAX usage (Bioshock, GRAW, etc) and spin your character. You will notice that the sounds move smoothly around the soundstage. Lock onto a sound and open your eyes. That sound originates from the location in the game world exactly where your ears and brain are telling you it does.

    Software 3D sound engines can sound "good", but they are optimized for speed, not accuracy. EAX can handle multiple environments and occluded sound sources.


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    Re: Eax

    For music I agree with the OP. However for 3D positional sound hardware DSP will almost always have an edge over software engine.

    I understand that there are a lot negatives about Creative cards, but saying the sound effect of a snes beats EAX5 is unfair. After all most of those negatives come from Creative software/marketing department, the hardware itself (X-FI aka EMU20K1) is a great product IMO.
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    Re: Eax

    Ditto. There is nothing inherently wrong with the hardware or EAX for that matter when properly implemented by the software developer. The real knock against Creative is the (deliberate) lack of support for existing products in order to drive the buying public towards newer products.

    It's for reasons such as this that I'll be fore going X-FI 2 and will be getting a Xonar D2.

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    Re: Eax

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian48 View Post
    Ditto. There is nothing inherently wrong with the hardware or EAX for that matter when properly implemented by the software developer. The real knock against Creative is the (deliberate) lack of support for existing products in order to drive the buying public towards newer products.

    It's for reasons such as this that I'll be fore going X-FI 2 and will be getting a Xonar D2.

    The bluegears card is real nice too.
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    Re: Eax

    It is not EAX 5 that makes a difference but EAX 3, 4 and 5 that are also processed in hardware with sound blaster cards as mentioned here already. All other cards are not much better then onboard codecs sending audio off to CPU for processing. It is like getting a driver secured with PCI or PCI express hardware key for 100 bucks.

    Specifically for gaming nothing seems to beat X-Fi Gamer with EAX 5 and onboard optical out (new for 60 bucks), not for the moment anyway.

    As for Creative not supporting old products it seems that the only sound blaster card with no Vista driver is LIVE - this has been sold in the ninetees. Audigy (from 2001 and newer) is supported already. I agree they should offer some support for Live but at the same time it is 10+ years old hardware... There are not many manufacturers that offer Vista drivers for gear from the mid-90's.
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    Re: Eax

    Quote Originally Posted by Davidech View Post
    It is not EAX 5 that makes a difference but EAX 3, 4 and 5 that are also processed in hardware with sound blaster cards as mentioned here already. All other cards are not much better then onboard codecs sending audio off to CPU for processing. It is like getting a driver secured with PCI or PCI express hardware key for 100 bucks.

    Specifically for gaming nothing seems to beat X-Fi Gamer with EAX 5 and onboard optical out (new for 60 bucks), not for the moment anyway.

    As for Creative not supporting old products it seems that the only sound blaster card with no Vista driver is LIVE - this has been sold in the ninetees. Audigy (from 2001 and newer) is supported already. I agree they should offer some support for Live but at the same time it is 10+ years old hardware... There are not many manufacturers that offer Vista drivers for gear from the mid-90's.
    Your one of the lucky ones. Vista & Creative blows. Not the hardware its the damn software.

    Creative soundcards are about to get kicked in the face by Asus. Lets see if creative can finially magically write good software.

    And yes EAX5 if supported by the game is the best.
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    Re: Eax

    when bf2 first came out and i witched from an audigy 2 to an x-fi extreme music and enabled the highest sound settings in the game it was the first time i was every truely impressed with a sound card upgrade.

    my sound card with creatives CMSS-3d setting and a good pair of stereo headphones honestly gives me an edge while playing games that support eax5

    i can hear footsteps clearly and pinpoint where they're coming from, it's truely excellent.
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