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    Lightbulb Need help ..50PCs for my internet cafe!

    hi admins,experts out there! im sorry if i post on wrong section ...
    im going to open up a internet cafe mostly its for gaming with about 50 PCs
    im looking to spend around $600-800 for each pc , as you know now days pc gets outdate very very fast by months. i want a rig that can hold up at least 3-4 years of gaming usage before thinking about upgrading 50PCs again.
    So guys with $600-800 wat r my decent choices?? any advices r cool!
    MB :$
    CPU :$
    Ram :$
    GPU :$
    19" Monitor (cheap but decent!) :$
    with or without CASE/PSU ect. :$
    total = $$$
    Sorry for a long post and thank you very much for your time!!!!!
    Last edited by skyline350gt; 05-30-2008 at 09:49 AM.

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    Re: Need help ..50PCs for my internet cafe!

    For 50pcs you might want to look for a company that will offer a service contract unless you can admin/repair them all yourself. I'd think you'd want pretty tight user restrictions to keep them from getting messed up.

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    Re: Need help ..50PCs for my internet cafe!

    If i go with the some company they will charging me this and that ..random service fees i dont like those BS. u know wat i mean...good thing is i got friends that can DIY fast. which save my extra $ for others
    Yes customers r only allow to game,web,watch movies from network PC.
    there will be 2 network systems with Mass GBs ..one for lan game , movies without updates,..other one r for online games that can be updated.
    Last edited by skyline350gt; 05-30-2008 at 09:48 AM.

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    Re: Need help ..50PCs for my internet cafe!

    I honestly don't know how anyone can say that they want 3-4 years of gaming out of a PC without spending more money...let alone for 50 PCs...especially at the 600-800 pricepoint.

    At best you are going to build mid-range PC's at that pricepoint. I usually game with mid-range equipement and usually spend about 400 a year on upgrades. If you are throwing a monitor in there too...you are building at best $600-650 PCs, will will start to fill into the lower-end of mid-range

    In my humble (and often unsolicited) opinion, a more practical goal would be to build $600.00 PC's every 2 years.

    Here's my suggestions:
    CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E7200
    Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-P35-S3G
    RAM: G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
    GPU: Nvidia 9600GT
    Case: COOLER MASTER Centurion 5
    Powersupply: Thermaltake W0100RU 500W Power Supply
    Monitor: Acer AL1716 Fbd Black 17" 5ms LCD Monitor
    Total: approx $625
    You will still need: DVD drive and OS, Keyboard, speakers and mouse
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    Re: Need help ..50PCs for my internet cafe!

    hmm..... .. .. .. .. what if i raise to price to 800-900? what do u think? thanks alot!!

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    Re: Need help ..50PCs for my internet cafe!

    Monitor- LG 20" 2ms $220
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824005096

    CPU- E8400 $190
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115037

    Video Card- MSI 8800GTS $210
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127325

    MOBO- Gigabyte P35 $90
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128337

    Ram- A.data 2GB $44
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820211066

    Case- CM 590 $60
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119152

    PSU- Thermaltake 500W $70
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817153052

    That puts you at $944. That is a little over budget. My suggestion if you this is too much would be go with an 8800GT at ~$170, and maybe look at the E6550 @~$160, or the E7200 @ ~$132. If the monitor is too much you could find a 19" with <5ms @ ~$180. That would make a good computer that will last a while. Also probably go with a 64 bit OS better for ram.

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    Re: Need help ..50PCs for my internet cafe!

    hmm...which do u guys think r better? should i built my own 50pcs cheaper or go to companies like...alienware ..ect?

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    Re: Need help ..50PCs for my internet cafe!

    alienware will never come near your pricepoint, dell or hp maybe. It really depends on how comfortable you are w/ admin 50pcs and repairs.

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    Re: Need help ..50PCs for my internet cafe!

    Quote Originally Posted by Petden View Post
    Monitor- LG 20" 2ms $220
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824005096

    CPU- E8400 $190
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115037

    Video Card- MSI 8800GTS $210
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127325

    MOBO- Gigabyte P35 $90
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128337

    Ram- A.data 2GB $44
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820211066

    Case- CM 590 $60
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119152

    PSU- Thermaltake 500W $70
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817153052

    That puts you at $944. That is a little over budget. My suggestion if you this is too much would be go with an 8800GT at ~$170, and maybe look at the E6550 @~$160, or the E7200 @ ~$132. If the monitor is too much you could find a 19" with <5ms @ ~$180. That would make a good computer that will last a while. Also probably go with a 64 bit OS better for ram.
    no need for a 64 bit os with only 2 gigs per machine. I definitely doubt thought that people that will be coming in in 3-4 years will want to game on this hardware. maybe if you used top of the line vid card and even a q6600 maybe its possible. i know if im gonna be paying to game on a machine i want it to be a lot better than mine. I upgrade a lot (usually at least 500 a year on various parts). I'd see if i could lease out some dell machines that could run games. also do you really need 50 pcs? why not start out with say half? if you are gonna buy, the machines for like internet browsing and stuff could be low end ones, and then the ones you want to use for gaming should be higher end, and that way work out an average of 800-900. say something like 400 for the browsing/movie watching machines, and like 1200-1300 for the gaming. just make sure you separate them.

    browsing/movies
    get something like an e2100 or some other mid range dual core, 2 gigs ram, low end video card (like an 8500 gt or 2600 pro or something

    gaming a quad core (6600)or the high end dual cores (not sure what they are for intel) 3-4 gigs ram, high end vid card, 9800 gtx (if possible if not get the 2nd tier one, or wait a bit, as far as i know there are supposed to be new cards coming out soon).




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    Re: Need help ..50PCs for my internet cafe!

    For gaming the dual core will be better atm. Also depending on how long you will be kepping the CPU you might look at a mild OC. Maybe get the E8400 to 3.5GHz? Zerocool's idea is good, as long there is no specific reason fro 50 PC's.

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    Re: Need help ..50PCs for my internet cafe!

    How are you going to license the games/movies?

    a $50 game for 50 PC's = $2,500 and surely you would offer more than one game.

    I imagine the movies would also be extending past 'personal use' to distribution if you are charging people to access them.
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    Re: Need help ..50PCs for my internet cafe!

    Is your rental space including hydro bills? I would stick with dual core since quads consume more power. multiply the ~50W difference x 50 and bill could add up.
    Guys, correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't E4500 be adequate for games? Game processing still depends on decent graphics, so he should try to maintain the systems on 8800GTs. This will save him $80 per pc.
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    Re: Need help ..50PCs for my internet cafe!

    Well, I'd be certain to have a cleaning regiment set up for them. My systems are subjected quarterly to a dog dryer (think leaf blower on steroids with more control) to blast the dust out.

    50 PCs is also a LOT of money, do you have customers lined out already? I'd consider doing 10-20 (20 only if you have customers) and supporting BYOC users.

    Do you have sponsors yet? Know where you're getting the games from? Site licenses are expensive. A lot of internet cafe/gaming cafes have started up, advertised, then flopped in under a year around here.

    You need to plan the first six months with an average of maybe 2 computers being used at once. Plus you will need advertising money. If you're really serious about this you need to think carefully about how many computers you get. 50 computers at 800 each is 40,000 dollars plus basic site licenses at about 2000/year*10-15=20,000 or 30,000

    On top of rent and other startup costs you're going to end up nearing 90,000 dollars. A bank isn't going to loan that much startup money to someone without a LOT of collateral.

    Look at other businesses, the ones that have been around for more than a half decade. When I did, I saw that most of them lost their butts in the gaming cafe idea.

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    Re: Need help ..50PCs for my internet cafe!

    A friend of mine has an internet cafe. His plan was to start off small and as things picked up gradually increase, i believe this is a good approach. i also plan to open a cafe but not as big as yours unless the demand exists and is sustainable.

    Anyways whenever you do buy your computers and load them up you should run Deep Freeze along with Cyber Cafe Pro on them, it will save you tons of money and down time.

    Deep Freeze has worked for my friend and we also have it at our Computer Science Lab and we have no software Issues period.

    All the best on your cafe.

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    Re: Need help ..50PCs for my internet cafe!

    Yeah, 50 PC's is a heck of a lot of PC's to start off with in an Internet Café. A smaller amount, maybe 15 would be good to start off with and see how the business goes - obviously if it has good custom then get more PC's.

    I used to have 17 PC's running distibuted computing applications such as SETI@Home and folding@home and don't be suprised if you do have 50 PC's that there will be hardware problems - even if the computers are new there can still be issues that arrise. I used to have PSUs go bang at 3am, motherboards blowing caps, leaking electrolyte all over the insides of the case etc, the list goes on and of course there can be software issues and driver issues to contend with.

    Sorry if you have thought of all this before, just thought I should mention it.

    What kind of Internet Connection are you going to use? make sure there is enough bandwidth for the amount of PCs running to happily browse and make sure that the router has QOS built in so you can prioritise traffic. Automatic updates is also another thing - if you have that amount of PC's automatically updating all the time obviously there will not be much bandwidth spare so your web browsing will crawl...and try not to let people use lots of uploading - if possible get a connection that has as much speed upstream as it has downstream if possible, if not try and get a business package that has more upstream than most general residential connections as a lot of people browsing will cause much of the upstream bandwidth to be utilised hence making the downstream much slower.

    I would imagine with that amount of computers you will require a domain controller so the users can login and you can set each user its own privaledges within the specific user acount and by using gpedit.msc. If you are going to run the network peer-to-peer then consider the amount of PC's that can access shared network resources using the OS of your choice under a peer-to-peer enviorment's conditions.

    Finally, try and have spare components around so you can fix a computer that has says, a blown power supply there and then without too much downtime. Dont skimp on PSU and RAM requirements for computers that will be used for gaming else you can run into instability issues at least.
    Last edited by Ben Rogers; 06-07-2008 at 02:35 PM.

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