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    Post A gaming PC which could stand two years

    Hello everyone,



    I wish to build a gaming PC which could at least remain valid for two years. May be you would consider me stupid after reading what I have written about the two years thing but as a newbie I dont have so much in depth technical knowledge. As upgrades are costly and problematic I wish to make a system which requires as little upgrades for two years period as possible; may be one or two. If I am wrong in this then just guide me to make a good system which could remain current as long as it can. My budget is 1500 US dollars. Also I wish the system to run on Windows Vista and utilize the Direct X 10 feature so I wish to have all parts Direct X 10 compatible. Therefore below is my specification for your view. Please guide me whereever I am wrong and give me your precious advises so I could make a system which could give me the best performance and is as competitive in price terms as possible as well as it is two years or some reasonable time proof. Below is the list of parts:




    1- Processor: INTEL (CORE 2 QUAD) Q6600 2.40Ghz (8MB CACHE - 1066 MHZ FSB) - US$ 238.00

    http://processorfinder.intel.com/det...px?sspec=slacr


    2- Motherboard: XFX NVIDIA (INTEL) Nforce 790iUltra (775PINS - SND+Dual GIGA LAN) PCX SLOT Supports 3 Way SLi - US$ 395.00

    http://www.xfxforce.com/en-us/produc...eries/790.aspx

    (I have read that by the years end Intel would release a new processor called Nehalem with eight cores. If any one of you knows about it please inform if this motherboard would be compatible with that new processor and if possible with the other hardware mentioned)


    3- Harddrive: WESTERN DIGITAL 500GB 3.5" HDD SATA II 7200RPM (1+2 YEARS) 16MB Cache (WD5000AAKS) - US$ 97.00

    http://www.wdc.com/en/products/produ...01&language=en

    or

    SEAGATE 500GB 3.5" HDD SATA II (NCQ 3GB/S) (HOT PLUGABLE ST.3500620AS) - US$ 146.00

    http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.js...&reqPage=Model

    (Also I have read that SAS drives are becoming mainstream. Whats the difference between SAS and SATA and whats Raid. Which one should I get. I am confused)


    4- Case: ASUS TA-B3 RED BLACK - US$ 57.00

    http://ae.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=...71&modelmenu=1


    5- Power Supply and Cooling: COOLER MASTER (Extreme Power) 600 WATTS EXTREME POWER SLI READY 9RP-600-PCAR - US$ 64.00

    http://www.coolermaster.com/products...bcate=22&id=51

    (About cooling please inform if it is needed for this setup? If so which one would be fine.)


    6- Ram: KINGSTON DDR-II 2 GB X 2 - US$ 48.00 x 2 = US$ 96.00

    http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...=KVR667D2N5/2G

    (There are also other Rams like DDR and SODIMM, please guide which is mainstream. Is that the one I have selected?)


    7- Graphics Card: XFX GeForce PCX 9800GTX 512MB (256-BITS) DDR-III - US$ 388.00

    http://www.xfxforce.com/en-us/produc...s/9800GTX.aspx


    8- Satellite TV Card: I have a satellite dish installed at my house with its receiver and I wish to know if there are cards available for receiving satellite TV programs on ones PC without the need for a receiver. If so please inform. If there isn't a card please inform if there is some alternative to watching satellite programs on PC.



    Thats all for now and I hope the community would guide me as much as possible. This is really a very big task for newbie like me to build a PC myself but I am determined to make one and thus improve my skills too. Best regards.

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    Re: A gaming PC which could stand two years

    1. No board that is available today will be able to run a Nehalem processor as it will require a new socket. And it is a quad core CPU with hyperthreading or w/e Intel wants to call it this time, but its 4 physical cores, 8 logical cores.

    2. There's no reason to spend $400 on a motherboard, unless you truely do plan on going with a 3 way SLI setup. Your PSU will not handle 3 way SLI anyway.

    3. Get one of the 640GB hard drives.

    6. DDR2 is mainstream. DDR is an older version. SODIMM is for laptops. If you want to future proof yourself a little bit get a board with DDR3 so you can use it with Nahalem. But the cost isnt really worth it. By the time Nahalem comes out DDR3 will be lower priced.

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    Re: A gaming PC which could stand two years

    Well good thing is the site you have choosen you parts from is expensive. The site(s) I will show should dramaticlly drop the price. I appologize in advance for the excruciatingly long post.

    Gaming usually only optimizes 2 cores, therefore a faster dual-core is normally better than a slightly slower quad-core. I have a quad-core and I love it, I would not have it any other way. It is all personal preferance.

    Processor- Intel Q6600 $210
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115017
    *OR* -E8400 $190
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115037

    The motherboard you have choosen is a DDR3 motherboard and you have selected DDR2 memory, there will be a compatibility problem there. Also If you do not need SLI I would go with another motherboard.

    Motherboard- Asus Rampage Formula $280
    http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...tCode=10007749

    Memory- 4GB G.Skill (2x2GB) $85
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231145

    You are not going to want to get a cheap case, you will need something that is large enough to hold all of your equipment, feels sturdy, looks great and can cool anything and everything you are using.

    Case- Antec 1200 $144
    http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0288150

    PSU- Seasonic 650W $110
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817151028

    Hard Drive- Seagate 500GB 32mb cache $80
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148309

    As for video cards there are two options the GTX 280 at $600 after MIR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814133228
    or you can choose the 9800GX2 at $430 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130338
    Both of these are very fast cards. The GTX 280 has immature drives and it is not performing to its fullest potential, if theses drive issues are corrected than it should become much faster. The GX2 is usually around the same speed as the GTX 280 however on certain games you will run into some SLI issues. The GX2 is essentially 2 cards on one board (Yes it should work with your motherboard). If you do some more reading on SLI you will notice that it has some issues, but as the drivers for this card are maturing, the performance will continue to increase. I recommend the 9800GX2.

    Heatsink- Thermalright Ultra Extreme 120 $65
    http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...e=THERMALRIGHT

    This cooler is only necessary if you are going to be overclocking your equipment. It is the best cooler in the world (aside from using liquids). You may also mount a fan to it to get better results.

    Total- $1404
    Last edited by Petden; 06-22-2008 at 06:52 PM.

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    Re: A gaming PC which could stand two years

    Seasonic PSU is the brand name of the PSU listed. I'd rather go for a PSU with seasonic internals than directly from them, too pricey.

    And make sure to get a good Fan for that heatsink. SVC.com is a decent place to get the HS and Sythe fan instead of ncix.com.

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    Re: A gaming PC which could stand two years

    I dont know why I put seagate, but thanks for the correction. I have always liked the seasonic PSU's most of the time they are a bit more pricey but I think $110 for a PSU is pretty good.

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    Cool Re: A gaming PC which could stand two years

    Thanks a lot mmonnin and Petden for giving your precious time with very useful information. mmonnin as per your reply it seems that if I make a system now it would remain mainstream/current for at least an year at the most since it would take time for the new Intel processor to become mainstream along with the associated new technologies. So I would go with the things which are mainstream now. Could you please inform me what is meant by SLI. If its important I would not want to miss it. Also I would go with DDR2 if it is compatible with DirectX 10. Also Petden I am thankful to you for the important links you gave me. The prices are very competitive. I would like to know your opinion about processors first. Should I go forward with Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad? I intend to use this system primarily for gaming but for other tasks too. What if I buy a Quad core processor? If I find negligible difference in my gaming performance with a Quad I would go with a Quad othewise with Core 2 Duo. Please inform which Quad processor has the best performance and is the most mainstream at present. You said you like Quad. What are your uses for Quad. Please inform for my understanding. Also for the motherboard you mentioned please inform if it is DDR2 or DDR3. I would go with DDR2. Also please let me know about what is SLI? I do not know what it is, if its important I would include it otherwise I would exclude SLI. As for the graphics card whats your opinion about Geforce 9800 GTX? Is it mainstream now and supports DirectX 10? Also about the other parts do they support Direct X 10. I have never experienced Direct X 10 gaming and I wish to see for myself how it feels therefore I ask you again and again for DirectX 10 compatibility. Please let me know your valuable opinions. Thanks and best regards.

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    Re: A gaming PC which could stand two years

    SLI is nVidia's terminology for using 2 GPU cards to output 1 display. Say 1 card does one line, the second card does the next. It helps performance during Gaming if you are into that. Crossfire is basically the same thing but from ATI, but they require different motherboards.

    If that is not important to you there are much cheaper, but still good/quality, boards available to you.

    DDR2/DDR2/DDR/etc isnt a requirement for DX10 or DX9. DirectX support is based on video cards.

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    Re: A gaming PC which could stand two years

    Processors are so powerful now a days that choosing between a quad and dual is difficult. Most games with the exception of a couple, do not use all four cores. The companies that created them did need feel a need for them to take advantage of multi cores. The quad cores are mostly for servers, people that do encoding, and some editing. It is also very good for multi-tasking, though so are the dual cores. At the present time the dual cores are the kings of the gaming world. The E8400 can be clocked at speeds that surpass 4.0GHz. That is alot of firepower for a processor. If the game can only use 2 cores than a 4.0GHz dual core will out perform a 3.6GHz quad core. The quad core will not be stressed but it will give you slightly lower fps. The Q6600 and reach 3.6GHz with the cooler I recommended, also the E8400 should hit 4.1-4.2GHz with that same cooler.

    Here is a link for an article which I found on teh quad cores. http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.c...253467,00.html

    DDR2 memory is the best in my opinion, it is much cheaper and very similar in performance to that of DDR3.

    The 9800GTX is a decent card, but is outperformed by the ATI 4850, which is also cheaper.
    The 9800GX2 will give you an amazing DirectX10 experience.

    While DX10 is nice there isn't too much of a difference between it and DX9 (visually speaking).

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    Re: A gaming PC which could stand two years

    http://pcper.com/article.php?aid=582&type=expert

    If you read this article it gives you a glimse of the future and ray tracing. Games probably wont use ray tracing for a while but when they start to, the CPU will be and important factor.

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    Re: A gaming PC which could stand two years

    Petden,



    Could you please help me again to finally create a list of parts as you posted earlier so that I may go ahead and build the system? The reason is that I can not understand many technical things like DDR2 and SLI etc. etc. it would be very helpful for me if you could guide me in this. Below is the list of the parts you posted earlier with my questions/comments:


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    Processor- Intel Q6600 $210
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115017
    *OR* -E8400 $190
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115037

    (Is the following motherboard DDR2? If so then its alright. Also I would like to have one SLI option in case I wish to get another graphic card in future)


    Motherboard- Asus Rampage Formula $280
    http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...tCode=10007749


    (Is the memory DDR2? Kindly inform)


    Memory- 4GB G.Skill (2x2GB) $85
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231145


    Case- Antec 1200 $144
    http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0288150

    PSU- Seasonic 650W $110
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817151028

    (Is the hard drive comatible with DDR2?)

    Hard Drive- Seagate 500GB 32mb cache $80
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148309


    (Please guide me for the below card with one SLI option.)

    Video Card- 9800GX2 at $430 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130338



    I have deleted the cooler since I wont be overclocking.


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    I hope that I would be able to build a good system with the parts you suggested. Thanks again and with my best regards.

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    Re: A gaming PC which could stand two years

    All parts are compatible.

    How are you going to build a PC when you are not even sure if a part is DDR2 or not when the description in the link says it is? It just seems like you have little to no experience in PC building.

    I would still suggest an aftermarket cooler. It'll keep things cooler and be quieter all at once.

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    Re: A gaming PC which could stand two years

    Well the motherboard supports DDR2 memory. The memory I suggested is DDR2. That motherboard does not support SLI, yet it works with that videocard. The hard drive is fine.

    If you would like SLI you need a motherboard that has a NVIDIA chipset. A board that has: 680i, 650i, 750i, 780i, or 790i in the name. It will also usually say NVIDIA in the name. The NVIDIA chipset motherboards run much hotter too, keep that in mind.

    As for SLI I have always liked the one card solution, and never really felt the need to buy to separate cards. Thats my opinion.

    Go with the E8400 as a processor. If you do not wish to purchase a separate Heatsink then you do not need to, but if you wanted a cheap and effective heatsink you might consider this one: Arctic Cooling Freezer Pro 7 $27http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134

    That processor's temps should be fine without this but if you want silence and great cooling the Arctic cooling heatsink is the one.

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    Re: A gaming PC which could stand two years

    I'd make sure the case has excellent cooling, packing all that in a $50 case is really asking for trouble.

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    Re: A gaming PC which could stand two years

    Quote Originally Posted by bbsmitho View Post
    Its the 1200, the case cooling will be fine.

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    Re: A gaming PC which could stand two years

    Quote Originally Posted by Petden View Post

    The 9800GTX is a decent card, but is outperformed by the ATI 4850, which is also cheaper.
    The 9800GX2 will give you an amazing DirectX10 experience.

    While DX10 is nice there isn't too much of a difference between it and DX9 (visually speaking).
    I wouldn't say the 4850 outperforms the 9800 GTX. Actually its a bit slower at stock speeds and the 9800 GTX can overclock a bit more (higher % oc) as well.

    http://www.legitreviews.com/article/731/1/

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