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  1. #1
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    Post My new budget GAMING PC. Need advise

    Hello,


    I am going to make a budget gaming system and would be using it with Windows Vista Ultimate 64 bit so I am posting all the details here for your view. Please inform if all the hardwares are 100% compatible. Please also inform if the following system would support Windows Vista 64 bit as well as Directx 10.1 gaming? Below is the system:


    PROCESSOR: Q9400 2.66Ghz (6MB CACHE - 1333 MHZ FSB) = Rs. 22500
    HARDDISK: 500GB 3.5" HDD SATAsata -II 7200RPM 16MB Cache (ST-3500320AS) = Rs. 8000

    MEMORY: KINGSTON DDR-II 2GB-667 - X 2 = 4 GB. = Rs. 5500

    VIDEO CARD: HIS PCI EXPRESS ATI PCX 4870 512 MB 256BITS DDR5 = Rs. 26000 or

    XFX NVIDIA GeForce PCX GTX 260 896MB (448-BITS) DDRIII = Rs. 27000

    (Please help me decide should I go with Nvidia or ATI? There is little price difference between these two cards. I agree that NVIDIA might be a better choice but there is one problem with Nvidia, it does not support Directx 10.1. On the contrary ATI's card does. But since I am not as experienced as you and dont have eyes on current hardware and trends, would you please inform me how much is the difference between Directx 10 and Directx 10.1 and also does it matter? Also please inform if the Nvidia card would also be able to run Directx10.1 capable games? How many Directx 10.1 games are due to come? I am quite confused in deciding this.)

    POWER SUPPLY: 750 WATTS REAL POWER PRO SLI READY (RS-750-ACAA-A1) = Rs. 10300

    (I think this power supply is more than required. Or is it enough? Please inform.)

    CPU COOLER: COOLER MASTER CPU COOLER HYPER TX2 (SUPP INTEL & AMD) = Rs. 3000
    LCD MONITOR: VX-1962WM 19" BLACK WIDE SCREEN MULTIMEDIA = Rs. 18000
    DVD WRITER: ASUS DVDRW 20xDL SATA DRW-2014S1T = Rs. 2500
    FAX MODEM: APACHE HARD (3 YEARS WARRANTY) (A56SP-HCF) (56K) = Rs. 1800

    SPEAKERS: CREATIVE A-500 5.1 = Rs. 3500

    FLOPPY DRIVE: SONY 1.44MB BLACK//WHITE (INTERNAL) = Rs. 400
    (Is it needed anymore? Please advise)


    CASE: COOLER MASTER CHASSIS CM 690 = Rs. 5700

    MOTHERBOARD: UNDECIDED

    Cant understand one thing i.e what does it mean by "support for (Intel P35 Express Chipset or Intel X48 Express Chipset". Very confused about this. Also for your information I live in an Asian country so I have limited access to hardwares. Below are the motherboards available in my country:


    INTEL MOTHERBOARDS
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    D945GCLF + ATOM 230 PROCESSOR (1.6Ghz + Snd+Agp+Lan-533Bus-DDRII Support) = Rs. 5800

    DG35EC (775PINS - SND+AGP+GIGA LAN - 1333MHZ FSB) PCX SLOT = Rs. 7000

    DG33FB (775PINS - SND+AGP+GIGA LAN - 1333MHZ FSB) PCX SLOT (BULK) = Rs. 7850

    DG33FB (775PINS - SND+AGP+GIGA LAN - 1333MHZ FSB) PCX SLOT (BOX) = Rs. 8000

    DQ35JO (775PINS - SND+AGP+GIGA LAN - 1333MHZ FSB) PCX SLOT = Rs. 8500

    DP35DP (775PINS - SND+GIGA LAN -1333MHZ FSB) PCX SLOT = Rs. 8600



    ASUS MOTHERBOARDS
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    P5K VM INTEL G33+ICH9 (775PINS - AGP+SND+GIGA LAN) = Rs. 6300

    P5E-VMDO INTEL Q35+ICH9(775PINS- APG+SND+GIGA LAN) PCX SLOT = Rs. 8000

    P5QL PRO INTEL P43+ICH10R 1600 FSB (775 PINS - SND + LAN- DDR2) PCX SLOT = Rs. 10300

    P5Q INTEL P45+ICH10R 1600 FSB (775PINS SND + LAN -DDR 2) PCX SLOT = Rs. 11300

    P5QC INTEL P45+ICH10R 1600 FSB (775PINS - SND + LAN-DDR2 & DDR III SUPPORT) PCX SLOT = Rs. 13,500

    Sorry for the long post. I request you to please give me your valuable suggestions. With my best regards and thanks in advance for giving the time.

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    Re: My new budget GAMING PC. Need advise

    Only the newer cards from ATI support dx 10.1

    nVidia's support dx 10.0

    I guess Nvidia felt dx10.1 is irrelevant in terms of bringing new graphic technology to the table.

    DROP THE Floppy.

    Either ATI or Nvidia can play dx10.1 games (don't think any games support dx10.1)

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    Re: My new budget GAMING PC. Need advise

    You're paying too much for everything. Where in India (unless you're in Nepal/Pakistan) are you located, and where did you get those prices from?

    A Q9550 is about 15K, the 4870 is available for 17K with a little hunting.

    I'd recommend (for a budget system):

    Mobo: abit IP35-E. Should be around 6K. If you're scared of picking up Abit, Gigabyte and MSI both make some nice boards at that price point. I'd stay far away from Asus. Ironically, I have 4 systems at home, all running Asus boards, but the support is pathetic. Actually, anything supported by Rashi sucks.

    Savings = 0, since you didn't mention a price.

    Processor: Q6600 ~9k. anything more is sheer overkill. If you want slightly better gaming performance at the expense of slightly lower overall performance, get the E8500. Should be around the same price.

    Savings = 13,500

    Card: 4870. The Palit Sonic edition has a nice aftermarket cooler that should keep temperatures under control. It also keeps up with the GTX280 most of the time, whereas the 260 is able to keep up with the 4870 some of the time. It runs cooler and consumes less power than the 4870 though. Both should be fine for gaming at resolutions up to 1680x1050. should be 17-18K.

    Savings = 8000

    Power supply: The corsair HX620. With a 10 year 1-on-1 swap warranty in India, it'd be foolish to look anywhere else. 6.5K is the last price I heard for it, may be a little lower.

    Savings = 3800

    RAM: Take your pick. If overclocking, G.Skill makes some nice RAM available at not too pricey rates. It will depend on where you are, but you can budget about 5K for a nice 2GB overclocking kit or a 4GB ordinary kit. The Kingstons seem nice, and about the right price.

    Savings = 0

    Cooler: The Sunbeam Core-contact freezer. Come with a decent fan and a tube of TX-2 compund. Available for about 2.2K from Prime ABGB, and they send stuff all over the country.

    Savings = 500

    Monitor: Two things. If you want a 19", the DELL 1908 WFP is a decent monitor, and should not be more than 9K. If your budget is 18K, you can pick up the Dell E248WFP, a 24" beauty. If you do, then the 4870 is the only card to get, as the resolution will be 1920x1200. Bigger screens need better cards. For about 13K, you can get yourself a 22". Either the LG W22 series, or the Dell 2208.

    Savings: Not counting, pending your feedback.

    The DVD-writer should be the Samsung SH203. It's about 1.3K. I seriously want to know where you're getting prices from. A DVD writer used to cost 2500 in 2006, not today. Anyway.

    Savings = 1250

    You don't need the floppy. Unless (like me) you need to put files onto an electric piano with a floppy slot.

    Savings = 500

    The CM 690 is quite a good choice, but it costs about 3.5K. Add another 2K to the price for some nice 120mm fans. We're selecting a lot of hot hardware, and some extra fans are a good investment.

    Savings = 0

    Hard drive: No reason to buy anything other than the WD AAKS drives. For 8000, you can get two (!) of them. The slightly slower AACS drives are a little cheaper and more widely available, but they are not suitable for gaming drives or OS drives.

    Savings = 0, but you get 2.5x the storage capacity for the same money.

    By now we've saved ~27,550 on the entire bundle, so what you need are a decent set of speakers. There's a decent reciever and speaker combination by Onkyo, the HTS-3100, for about 20K. that still leaves us a load of cash for a Keyboard and mouse, even a wheel if you want, plus a few games as well.

    I don't know why you need a fax modem, but those are available for Rs. 400 or less.

    On this item alone, we've saved 1400 Rupees, so donate that to Pcper. Ryan will appreciate it

    Enjoy.
    Last edited by sangram; 09-15-2008 at 06:05 AM.

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    Re: My new budget GAMING PC. Need advise

    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet View Post
    Only the newer cards from ATI support dx 10.1

    nVidia's support dx 10.0

    I guess Nvidia felt dx10.1 is irrelevant in terms of bringing new graphic technology to the table.

    DROP THE Floppy.

    Either ATI or Nvidia can play dx10.1 games (don't think any games support dx10.1)

    Thanks Rivet for your reply. You are right in that we could go either way i.e. we could buy ATI or Nvidia and even Nvidia would play Directx 10.1 games if any are released. According to Wikipedia:

    "NVIDIA has not yet announced a hardware to fully support Direct3D 10.1. But they have said they will support Direct3D 10.1 features that developers request on their existing hardware through extensions."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct3D

    That means they Nvidia would release Directx 10.1 capable patches for their current hardware. Am I right? Also I would be dropping the floppy. Thanks for the guidance.

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    Re: My new budget GAMING PC. Need advise

    Quote Originally Posted by sangram View Post
    You're paying too much for everything. Where in India (unless you're in Nepal/Pakistan) are you located, and where did you get those prices from?

    A Q9550 is about 15K, the 4870 is available for 17K with a little hunting.

    I'd recommend (for a budget system):

    Mobo: abit IP35-E. Should be around 6K. If you're scared of picking up Abit, Gigabyte and MSI both make some nice boards at that price point. I'd stay far away from Asus. Ironically, I have 4 systems at home, all running Asus boards, but the support is pathetic. Actually, anything supported by Rashi sucks.

    Savings = 0, since you didn't mention a price.

    Processor: Q6600 ~9k. anything more is sheer overkill. If you want slightly better gaming performance at the expense of slightly lower overall performance, get the E8500. Should be around the same price.

    Savings = 13,500

    Card: 4870. The Palit Sonic edition has a nice aftermarket cooler that should keep temperatures under control. It also keeps up with the GTX280 most of the time, whereas the 260 is able to keep up with the 4870 some of the time. It runs cooler and consumes less power than the 4870 though. Both should be fine for gaming at resolutions up to 1680x1050. should be 17-18K.

    Savings = 8000

    Power supply: The corsair HX620. With a 10 year 1-on-1 swap warranty in India, it'd be foolish to look anywhere else. 6.5K is the last price I heard for it, may be a little lower.

    Savings = 3800

    RAM: Take your pick. If overclocking, G.Skill makes some nice RAM available at not too pricey rates. It will depend on where you are, but you can budget about 5K for a nice 2GB overclocking kit or a 4GB ordinary kit. The Kingstons seem nice, and about the right price.

    Savings = 0

    Cooler: The Sunbeam Core-contact freezer. Come with a decent fan and a tube of TX-2 compund. Available for about 2.2K from Prime ABGB, and they send stuff all over the country.

    Savings = 500

    Monitor: Two things. If you want a 19", the DELL 1908 WFP is a decent monitor, and should not be more than 9K. If your budget is 18K, you can pick up the Dell E248WFP, a 24" beauty. If you do, then the 4870 is the only card to get, as the resolution will be 1920x1200. Bigger screens need better cards. For about 13K, you can get yourself a 22". Either the LG W22 series, or the Dell 2208.

    Savings: Not counting, pending your feedback.

    The DVD-writer should be the Samsung SH203. It's about 1.3K. I seriously want to know where you're getting prices from. A DVD writer used to cost 2500 in 2006, not today. Anyway.

    Savings = 1250

    You don't need the floppy. Unless (like me) you need to put files onto an electric piano with a floppy slot.

    Savings = 500

    The CM 690 is quite a good choice, but it costs about 3.5K. Add another 2K to the price for some nice 120mm fans. We're selecting a lot of hot hardware, and some extra fans are a good investment.

    Savings = 0

    Hard drive: No reason to buy anything other than the WD AAKS drives. For 8000, you can get two (!) of them. The slightly slower AACS drives are a little cheaper and more widely available, but they are not suitable for gaming drives or OS drives.

    Savings = 0, but you get 2.5x the storage capacity for the same money.

    By now we've saved ~27,550 on the entire bundle, so what you need are a decent set of speakers. There's a decent reciever and speaker combination by Onkyo, the HTS-3100, for about 20K. that still leaves us a load of cash for a Keyboard and mouse, even a wheel if you want, plus a few games as well.

    I don't know why you need a fax modem, but those are available for Rs. 400 or less.

    On this item alone, we've saved 1400 Rupees, so donate that to Pcper. Ryan will appreciate it

    Enjoy.


    Thanks sangram for your time and kind reply. Very informative. Actually I am located in Pakistan and here the hardware is too expensive vis a vis other Asian countries also the variety is too little. Anyway I have to manage everything from the available hardware. I am buying from an online shop whose website is www.galaxy.com.pk and they are the largest shop in Karachi as well as quite famous and well known for giving the best prices and original hardware in Pakistan. So everyone buys from here. If you go there could you please suggest me the best motherboard available. I would remain thankful for your help.

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    Re: My new budget GAMING PC. Need advise

    Very sorry - I thought as much, because I'm in india. The prices here are probably a little lower, plus I guess there are some currency issues as well, which is why your prices seem a lot higher.

    What's your budget, which games do you want to play, and how much eye candy do you want?

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    Post Re: My new budget GAMING PC. Need advise

    Quote Originally Posted by sangram View Post
    Very sorry - I thought as much, because I'm in india. The prices here are probably a little lower, plus I guess there are some currency issues as well, which is why your prices seem a lot higher.

    What's your budget, which games do you want to play, and how much eye candy do you want?


    sangram,


    Thanks for your kind reply. My budget is Rs. 100,000- to Rs. 1,10,000- and I want to play the latest games being released now a days and also supporting Directx 10 games. Also I wish to run 64bit Vista OS on my pc. About eye candy I think a reasonable eye candy would suffice. Best regards

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    Re: My new budget GAMING PC. Need advise

    ATI 4870 and Asus P5Q mobo. 2 x 2 Gb (4 gigs total) Pc-5300 or pc-6400 for memory is suggested if using Vista 64 os.

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    Re: My new budget GAMING PC. Need advise

    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet View Post
    ATI 4870 and Asus P5Q mobo. 2 x 2 Gb (4 gigs total) Pc-5300 or pc-6400 for memory is suggested if using Vista 64 os.


    Rivet, thanks for your input. I understand that you suggest ATI 4870 video card and Asus P5Q motherboard plus 4 GB. total of memory (Ram) i.e 2 x 2 Gb = 4 Gb. One thing I could not understand is that what you mean by Pc-5300 or pc 6400? Please clarify since I am not so technical person. For your information these memories are available here:



    KINGSTON
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    DDRII 2GB-667 = Rs. 2600


    DDRII 2GB-667 (P/N: VS2GB667-D2) = Rs. 2750



    Kindly confirm. Best regards.

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    Re: My new budget GAMING PC. Need advise

    Quote Originally Posted by globall View Post
    Rivet, thanks for your input. I understand that you suggest ATI 4870 video card and Asus P5Q motherboard plus 4 GB. total of memory (Ram) i.e 2 x 2 Gb = 4 Gb. One thing I could not understand is that what you mean by Pc-5300 or pc 6400? Please clarify since I am not so technical person. For your information these memories are available here:



    KINGSTON
    ----------
    DDRII 2GB-667 = Rs. 2600


    DDRII 2GB-667 (P/N: VS2GB667-D2) = Rs. 2750



    Kindly confirm. Best regards.
    DDR2 1066, DDR2 800 both are better if u can get them in stock, or online, in your country.

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    Post Re: My new budget GAMING PC. Need advise

    Its very difficult to manage a decent PC in my country. (sobbing) Some things are available some not. Since many days I am trying my best to arrange compatible parts list and now I have at last preprared the list. In the process I am so tired that I would faint and fall down and I request you all to please throw some light on my system specifications' two parts 1- Memory (No other memory beside these are available and the one you ask for is for DDR 3 which puts the system out of a budget system as its very costly. 2- Motherboard (Please put a glimpse and confirm if the motherboard is fully compatible? With my best regards and thanks in advance for your help.



    1- PROCESSOR: Q9550 2.83Ghz (12MB CACHE - 1333 MHZ
    FSB)

    Rs. 27500


    2- HARDDISK: SEAGATE 500GB 3.5" HDD SATA-II 7200RPM 16MB Cache (ST-3500320AS)

    Rs. 5700

    3- VIDEO CARD: VIDEO CARD: HIS PCI EXPRESS ATI PCX 4870 512 MB 256BITS DDR5
    Rs. 26000

    4- MEMORY: KINGSTON DDRII 2GB-667 - x 2 = 4GB.
    Rs. 5200 OR

    CORSAIR DDRII 2GB-667 (P/N: VS2GSDS667D2) - x 2 = 4GB.
    Rs. 5700 (If I choose CORSAIR memory wouldn't it work well?)

    5- POWER SUPPLY: 750 WATTS REAL POWER PRO SLI READY (RS-750-ACAA-A1)
    Rs. 10300

    6- LCD MONITOR: VX-1962WM 19" BLACK WIDE SCREEN MULTIMEDIA
    Rs. 17800

    7- DVD WRITER: ASUS DVDRW 20xDL SATA DRW-2014S1T X 2
    Rs. 5000

    8- FAX MODEM: APACHE HARD (A56SP-HCF) (56K)
    Rs. 1800

    9- SPEAKERS: CREATIVE A-500 5.1
    Rs. 3500

    10- CASE: ASUS TA-91 SILVER BLACK
    Rs. 4000

    11- USB FLASH DRIVE: CORSAIR VOYAGER 8GB 2.0
    Rs. 1800

    12- MOTHERBOARD: P5Q INTEL P45+ICH10R 1600 FSB (775PINS SND + LAN -DDR 2) PCX SLOT
    Rs. 11300

    13- Other things like Mouse, Keyboard, etc. etc.
    Rs. 1500



    Rs. 1,21,400


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