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    Re: The Obama Cabinet

    ^^^ I know a Moderator that would make a good run for the job too

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    Re: The Obama Cabinet

    Action of Second Continental Congress, July 4, 1776

    The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
    WHEN in the Course of human Events,

    it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.
    WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness -- That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security. Such has been the patient Sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the Necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The History of the present King of Great- Britain is a History of repeated Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid World.
    HE has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public Good.
    HE has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing Importance, unless suspended in their Operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
    HE has refused to pass other Laws for the Accommodation of large Districts of People, unless those People would relinquish the Right of Representation in the Legislature, a Right inestimable to them, and formidable to Tyrants only.
    HE has called together Legislative Bodies at Places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the Depository of their public Records, for the sole Purpose of fatiguing them into Compliance with his Measures.
    HE has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly Firmness his Invasions on the Rights of the People.
    HE has refused for a long Time, after such Dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of the Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the Dangers of Invasion from without, and the Convulsions within.
    HE has endeavoured to prevent the Population of these States; for that Purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their Migrations hither, and raising the Conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
    HE has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
    HE has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the Tenure of their Offices, and the Amount and Payment of their Salaries.
    HE has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their Substance.
    HE has kept among us, in Times of Peace, Standing Armies, without the consent of our Legislatures.
    HE has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
    HE has combined with others to subject us to a Jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our Laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
    FOR quartering large Bodies of Armed Troops among us;
    FOR protecting them, by a mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
    FOR cutting off our Trade with all Parts of the World:
    FOR imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
    FOR depriving us, in many Cases, of the Benefits of Trial by Jury:
    FOR transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended Offences:
    FOR abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an arbitrary Government, and enlarging its Boundaries, so as to render it at once an Example and fit Instrument for introducing the same absolute Rules into these Colonies:
    FOR taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
    FOR suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with Power to legislate for us in all Cases whatsoever.
    HE has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
    HE has plundered our Seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our Towns, and destroyed the Lives of our People.
    HE is, at this Time, transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the Works of Death, Desolation, and Tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty and Perfidy, scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous Ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized Nation.
    HE has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the Executioners of their Friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
    HE has excited domestic Insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the Inhabitants of our Frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known Rule of Warfare, is an undistinguished Destruction, of all Ages, Sexes and Conditions.
    IN every stage of these Oppressions we have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble Terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated Injury. A Prince, whose Character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the Ruler of a free People.
    NOR have we been wanting in Attentions to our British Brethren. We have warned them from Time to Time of Attempts by their Legislature to extend an unwarrantable Jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the Circumstances of our Emigration and Settlement here. We have appealed to their native Justice and Magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the Ties of our common Kindred to disavow these Usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our Connections and Correspondence. They too have been deaf to the Voice of Justice and of Consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the Necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of Mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace, Friends.
    WE, therefore, the Representatives of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, in GENERAL CONGRESS, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the World for the Rectitude of our Intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly Publish and Declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES; that they are absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political Connection between them and the State of Great-Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which INDEPENDENT STATES may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm Reliance on the Protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
    full version Form Orangs sig. Worth reading imho
    "The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church"[Ferdinand Magellan]
    "If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." [Albert Einstein]
    "With or without (religion) you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."[Physicist and Nobel Laureate Steven Weinberg]

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    Re: The Obama Cabinet

    Ya.. that very same Emanuel..

    Emanuel’s Freddie Mac Connection

    Well this isn't good:

    President-elect Barack Obama's newly appointed chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, served on the board of directors of the federal mortgage firm Freddie Mac at a time when scandal was brewing at the troubled agency and the board failed to spot "red flags," according to government reports reviewed by ABCNews.com.

    According to a complaint later filed by the Securities and Exchange Commission, Freddie Mac, known formally as the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation, misreported profits by billions of dollars in order to deceive investors between the years 2000 and 2002.
    Emanuel's spokesperson essentially says "hey, he was only there a short time (13 months), what'd he know?"

    As it turns out he was on the board at the time when the problems found in the SEC complaint were happening.

    That's not to say it wasn't a problem earlier:

    The SEC said Thursday it charged McLean-based Freddie Mac with securities fraud in connection with improper earnings management beginning as early as 1998 and lasting into 2002.
    Since they were ongoing and the red flags should have been obvious, it follows that Emanuel and the board should have been aware of them, and, more importantly, done something about them.

    Freddie Mac agreed to pay a $50 million penalty in 2007 to settle the SEC complaint and four top executives of the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation were charged with negligent conduct and, like the company, agreed to settle the case without admitting or denying the allegations.
    Any guess where the $50 million penalty is going to come from? Yup, that $200 billion they were handed to bail them out.

    More importantly though is to look at the timing of the problem and Emanuel's tenure on the board:

    During the years 2000, 2001 and 2002, according to the SEC, Freddie Mac substantially misrepresented its income to "present investors with the image of a company that would continue to generate predictable and growing earnings."
    Seems to me to be at least a partial responsibility of the board (and the officers of the company) to ensure such misrepresentations aren't allowed - that is if you believe there is an 'oversight' function for a board (as in every other corporate board I'm aware of).

    The oversight agency, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO), apparently agrees and accuses the board of having "failed in its duty to follow up on matters brought to its attention."

    Another with an apparent connection to the financial crisis serving in the new administration? It's hard to build confidence that the new administration is going to address and solve the problem when it names and considers officials who were partly responsible for it.
    Hope-n-change....
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: The Obama Cabinet

    Quote Originally Posted by fatlazyhomer View Post
    Thanks, FLH. Nice.

    Sec. of Defense:

    I think Jack Reed is not the right man- despite his service.
    I can't figure out why Richard Danzig is involved with the military at all- he spends most of his time elsewhere. He made a decent SecNav because he understands the realities of going with a more professional service- but I'm not sure about what's needed for SecDef. I'd nix him by "dissociation".
    Chuck Hagel is a 'Nam grunt whose other qualification is bartender. Might work .
    Robert Gates makes the most sense to me- but could be political collateral damage.

    At any rate- no Rumsfelds here.
    Last edited by AeroSim; 11-08-2008 at 09:19 AM.

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    Re: The Obama Cabinet

    I had read that...Yikes!

    Also in the mix is Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who could be tapped to head the Environmental Protection Agency.

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    Re: The Obama Cabinet

    One that I'm watching closely:

    Secretary of Treasury:

    Timothy Geithner is basically another money manager who has in his background, of all things, a lot of East Asian connections. He's too young to have carried a weapon around there too. I don't like what this might portend....

    I really like the idea of Paul Volcker, but at 81...I doubt it.

    Lawrence Summers almost makes no sense. Too much controversy, but maybe because there is too much money and political favors. He's a free trade proponent as opposed to a fair trade one. I don't get this one.

    I think this position needs help if this is the list, but ....

    ADDED: Sorry- went by FLH's post too much- there is one other:

    Robert Rubin. Possibly. But for this....

    The list still needs help AFAIC.
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    Re: The Obama Cabinet

    I think Hillary’s chances of becoming Secretary of State are slim to none. First off I think Obama is a control freak and he’s going to demand total loyalty. I don’t see him trusting Hillary to the point of putting her in his inner circle. Secondly I think Hillary wouldn’t take the job because she is in a powerful leadership position in the senate. It’s a washout.

    Lastly I think the wounds from the primaries are far from healed.

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    Re: The Obama Cabinet



    Seriously my biggest concern is who's going to land as Atty Gen.
    Lord save us law abiding gun owners & mfg's..

    http://www.yahoo.com/s/987372
    Here's how you can tell the campaign is over and the transition has begun: Barack Obama's aides now wear suits and ties, their desks are in the Federal Building on 6th Street in Washington — and Clintonites are everywhere.

    Obama's victory in the general election produced what his primary campaign couldn't: A swift merger of the Clinton Wing of the Democratic Party with the Illinois Senator's self-styled insurgency. The merger began, during the campaign, in the policy apparatus — which is now rapidly becoming the governing apparatus.

    The absorption of the Clinton government in waiting represents Obama's choice not to repeat what he and his advisors see as an early mistake made by the last two presidents: Attempting to wield power in Washington through an insular campaign apparatus new to town.

    Obama's first major appointments have been Democrats who worked for President Clinton and did not endorse him in the primary: Transition chief John Podesta and Rep. Rahm Emanuel, who will be White House chief of staff, stayed neutral, and Ron Klain, who will be Joe Biden's chief of staff, backed Biden. Obama, advisers told Politico, may even be weighing offering Hillary Rodham Clinton herself the Cabinet plum of Secretary of State.

    "Obama is showing great good sense in making use of their experience," said William Galston, a former Clinton domestic policy adviser who’s now at the Brookings Institution. "You have an entire cadre of people in their 30s and 40s and early 50s who were either in senior jobs or second- and third-tier jobs in the Clinton administration, who really earned their spurs and know their way around — and know something about how the institutions in which they served actually function."
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    Re: The Obama Cabinet

    ^^

    Eric Holder on Obama's Veep Search Committee [Andy McCarthy]

    So Sen. Obama, who is trying to distance himself from the Weather Underground terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, has named to his Vice Presidential Search Committee Eric Holder ... the top Clinton Justice Department official who was deeply enmeshed in the disgraceful pardons granted by President Clinton on his way out the door — pardons which included two Weather Underground terrorists, whose lengthy terrorism sentences were commuted. (And that is to say nothing of Holder's involvement in the infamous pardon of the international fraudster, Marc Rich.)

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    Re: The Obama Cabinet

    Heh, “change you can believe in”…

    Oddly enough it’s starting to look like a Clinton rerun.

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    Re: The Obama Cabinet

    So where are all the "hope-n-changers"? Seems like now that their savior is surrounding himself with some familiar faces... they've all gone into hiding.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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