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  1. #1
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    it's finished! for now :/

    i got it finished and hung and all that! the middle one still needs to be resolved. i just can't figure out how. maybe some year i'll figure it out. needs more energy IMO. the last one needs some change too. i edited in what the plaques say for your convenience. i'll tell you more about it once i get some reactions.



    Max Plank: "A new scientific truth does not
    triumph by convincing its opponents and making them
    see the light,
    but rather because its opponents eventually die"
    Arthur Shopenhauer: "Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized.
    First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is opposed. Third, it is regarded as self evident."
    Martin Niemöller:
    "When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;I was not a communist.
    When they locked up the social democrats,I remained silent;
    I was not a social democrat.When they came for the trade unionists,I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.When they came for the Jews,
    I remained silent;I wasn't a Jew.When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out."

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    Re: it's finished! for now :/

    here's what it's about.

    Spoiler!
    Max Plank: "A new scientific truth does not
    triumph by convincing its opponents and making them
    see the light,
    but rather because its opponents eventually die"
    Arthur Shopenhauer: "Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized.
    First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is opposed. Third, it is regarded as self evident."
    Martin Niemöller:
    "When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;I was not a communist.
    When they locked up the social democrats,I remained silent;
    I was not a social democrat.When they came for the trade unionists,I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.When they came for the Jews,
    I remained silent;I wasn't a Jew.When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out."

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    Re: it's finished! for now :/

    A couple thoughts.
    My impressions of your first image incompases your whole point. Your first image includes a hand seeming to attack or drag another down. The others are not helping each other. Once you clear the clouds you turn on each other. Perhaps that should be your middle image.
    "The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church"[Ferdinand Magellan]
    "If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." [Albert Einstein]
    "With or without (religion) you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."[Physicist and Nobel Laureate Steven Weinberg]

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    Re: it's finished! for now :/

    that's a pretty good idea! i wish i had thought of that.....

    someday maybe.
    Max Plank: "A new scientific truth does not
    triumph by convincing its opponents and making them
    see the light,
    but rather because its opponents eventually die"
    Arthur Shopenhauer: "Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized.
    First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is opposed. Third, it is regarded as self evident."
    Martin Niemöller:
    "When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;I was not a communist.
    When they locked up the social democrats,I remained silent;
    I was not a social democrat.When they came for the trade unionists,I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.When they came for the Jews,
    I remained silent;I wasn't a Jew.When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out."

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    Re: it's finished! for now :/

    i edited it a bit

    Communication Breakdown
    Well, I started off making this thing thinking that I would try my best to connect with the viewer, and would actually succeed. I failed I think. I wanted to communicate the concept that fighting for an entity, real or invented, is not always the best idea. It seems to me that people love to take on a religion or some other belief system that imprints a high ideal in their minds, and a high ideal is no problem. The problem comes when their high ideal meets a worldly pride, most notably when people think they know god, or know the right path… or in other words they come to take on a hubristic attitude thinking they know the word of god/the universe, thinking they know how things should be. This sort of thinking can never be fully escaped as we all have our ideals, but this sort of thinking can evolve into a dangerous form in which people try to push their ideals on others forcefully, whether this force be something as plain as a physical threat or something as insidious as peer pressure. It seems the laws of the high ups, of the gods and of those on their ivory towers may have a place in this world, that being to instill us with ideals to give us some reason to act for “good” instead of just going about acting animalistic and dark. The dark path can seem to be the easier way at times. It can even seem to be the more righteous way at times. But, I’ve noticed something I think. To me it seems that there’s quite a lot to be learned from the world and the way all the cultures and various ideas interact with each other and this situations this interaction creates. It seems to me that embracing freedom fully, as fully as possible anyway, is the only way for us to push forward… and perhaps even to survive as a species. We’ve come to a point in our development as a species that we can destroy ourselves with a few malevolent and prideful thoughts should they spread too far. Most notable of these is intolerance. Intolerance is an insidious force. It can come outright in the form of people forcibly pushing their will on others. It can also come in sheep’s clothing as it does with peer pressure. A good example of the insidiousness of peer pressure is when a sales man acts as though you’re crazy when you question the validity of his claims. So, it seems that one has to be both defiant and humble to be good. Defiant enough to push against the pressure created by the oppressive force and humble enough to not go out and become an oppressive for, that is. So, how can this be? To fight against the oppressive force one has to suppress it, and therefore has to become an oppressor. Then it seems it usually happens that the instigating oppressing force is stamped out along with all its ideals and anything that would at all humanize any part of that instigating oppressive force. Then it seems that the new force, the one that won over the initial oppressive force, later down the line becomes an oppressor to some other force. So, it seems this becomes a problem. Every “good” becomes an “evil” with time it seems. So, how do we embrace our ideals without stepping on each other’s toes? I’m not entirely sure. No man’s an island unto himself. People have to come into contact with each other at some point. It seems inevitable that opposing ideals come into play in a way in which they harm someone. Even tolerance seems to become oppressive especially if one cannot even spout their ideals in public without being ridiculed and harassed. And from this harm it seems that perceptions of the oppressor and the oppressed come. It seems that every time this happens each party will prattle on about how the other party harmed them. Is there any way to fix this? The only way I can think of is that we would have to come to have a much deeper understand of each other and ourselves. If we could all see into the very depths of each other and know why everyone acts the way they do, then it might be possible. Maybe that will become possible through technology some day. The only other way seems to be an iron will that promotes acceptance of difference. But that will always break down as some point, somehow it seems. We have to defend ourselves after all. Even political correctness, a perversion of tolerance, comes to be a form of oppressive behavior. So, it seems the whole mess stems from an inability to communicate.
    It doesn’t seem that even basing one’s logic and views on the golden rule would solve all of this. It’d be nice if we could reduce fighting to just yelling. But, I guess that yelling would come to have just as dire of consequences as fighting and so people would just end up fighting anyway to avoid those consequences.
    We’re all screwed you know... ‘cept for the lucky bastards at the top.

    People can explain their positions to each other all they want. The explanations mean nothing if neither side feels and understands the points of the other. And they can’t really do this unless they’ve lived in each other’s shoes… etc… and so on with more and more rambling along these lines….

    So, I tried to get that across, that people should stop competing with each other for control over the top and should instead help each other out. But, that message probably doesn’t come across to most people. I thought it would. I think I was wrong.
    And this has got me to thinking. I’ve always hated art. Gallery art, that is. The old traditional stuff is boring. I like to look at it to see if I can see how others painted with the hope of improving my own skills. The more recent stuff seems to just be a bunch of shit on the wall. Once I read about art I sometimes see that there’re interesting and even valid views behind some of it. I still think much of the writing is convoluted, and not just because the artist doesn’t know how to be concise, but more because the artist are trying to look all artsy and intelligent and all that shit. So, instead of speaking in plain language they dress up things as much as they can using the fanciest and most incomprehensible language they can muster so that they may make even the most mundane idea appear genius, or so they think anyway. Anyway, I still wonder why the bastards bothered to put the art on the wall in the first place. I think the real reason is usually that they want to look all artsy and shit and sell the thing for a lot of money. Selling for a lot of money is a valid reason. I’ve decided this because I like being able to buy things and I like eating and having a roof over my head. But the only other valid reason is to communicate something to the viewer. I thought that one could either communicate a mood or an idea via art. I think that certain extreme moods can be conveyed via art. But ideas… they are not so cooperative. So, I’ve come to think now that when dealing with an idea that I should just make some fancy cool ass looking image to entice the passer by. And then, once enticed, perhaps the passerby may be interested in knowing more about the work. So, nearby, in a noticeable area, I think an explanation of the work should be. This way the viewer can find out about the work easily and without having to read all sorts of god awful •••••••• books that no one in their right ••••••• mind would care about. The art on the wall is effectively just an aesthetic, and not much more no matter what is done, to advertise an idea.

    So, in the end the piece seems to have come to have two meanings for me. One is to be a demonstration that suggests art is a very poor way to get across very specific concepts. The other is that people need to get along. All the bitching and whining does get old.

    All these funky ideas people have... they just seem to be convoluted means of producing aesthetics.

    Oh well.... and so there you have the inspiration for the title “Communication Breakdown”.
    Max Plank: "A new scientific truth does not
    triumph by convincing its opponents and making them
    see the light,
    but rather because its opponents eventually die"
    Arthur Shopenhauer: "Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized.
    First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is opposed. Third, it is regarded as self evident."
    Martin Niemöller:
    "When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;I was not a communist.
    When they locked up the social democrats,I remained silent;
    I was not a social democrat.When they came for the trade unionists,I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.When they came for the Jews,
    I remained silent;I wasn't a Jew.When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out."

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    Re: it's finished! for now :/

    [QUOTE][People can explain their positions to each other all they want. The explanations mean nothing if neither side feels and understands the points of the other. And they can’t really do this unless they’ve lived in each other’s shoes… etc… and so on with more and more rambling along these lines…./QUOTE]
    It is said a picture is worth a thousand words. You expect to express an idea to EVERYONE reguardles of the shoes they walk in. You need way more than three pictures!
    Express yourself, don't worry about the rest of us. jmho
    "The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church"[Ferdinand Magellan]
    "If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." [Albert Einstein]
    "With or without (religion) you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."[Physicist and Nobel Laureate Steven Weinberg]

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    Re: it's finished! for now :/

    can't express nothing without communication.
    Max Plank: "A new scientific truth does not
    triumph by convincing its opponents and making them
    see the light,
    but rather because its opponents eventually die"
    Arthur Shopenhauer: "Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized.
    First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is opposed. Third, it is regarded as self evident."
    Martin Niemöller:
    "When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;I was not a communist.
    When they locked up the social democrats,I remained silent;
    I was not a social democrat.When they came for the trade unionists,I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.When they came for the Jews,
    I remained silent;I wasn't a Jew.When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out."

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    Re: it's finished! for now :/

    In the end all communication falls short because everyone experiences the universe in a personal way. You can not possibly communicate to me what it is like to be you. At best I will see you and your ideas filtered through my personal experience.

    Strive to make the art meaningful to you and do not be concerned if you have effectively communicated your ideas to others. People will give it their own meaning and regardless if they criticize or praise it if it’s meaningful to you it was worthwhile creating.
    Last edited by RatboyX; 12-09-2008 at 03:43 PM.
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    Re: it's finished! for now :/

    Flawless victory.

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