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    Re: President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    Trust me... I'm not the one who completely missed the point here.



    With some major differences. GW did not lose the majority of independents/swing voters. Those guys are fleeing from The Won and your party in droves. BTW, recent history shows your party has sole rights of the "stolen election" mantra. That and a really worn thin race card.



    Doubtful. Then again McCain while no real conservative is not a far left radical like your messiah.



    Perhaps you should phone Bamma and tell him that as he is the one whom seems to think he can simply give a few good speeches promising the world and it'll get done.



    You need to go back and read some posts. Conservatives here were hardly singing GW's praises despite what you've been told. And bamma is a bigger f*ckup by an order of magnitude as yet tallied.



    Ya.. there really is confusion on our side. Gubberment just took over 1/6 of our economy with the health care debacle. Gubberment owns 2 of the 3 auto manufacturers. Gubberment is imposing their will on the banking system and is currently trying to get more control under the guise of "regulation". Fannie/Freddie are great business models... the affirmative action lending standards enforced by them had nothing to do with the mortgage meltdown. Cappintrade is not a control... trust Mr. "spread the wealth/we'll tell you when you've made enough money".

    Perhaps you should get off the soapbox and go get yourself a good self help book instead.

    i just remembered why i ignored you...

    now how is any of this directly obama's fault are you saying that day one when obama came into office there should not of been any more bailouts on top of what bush set into motion... i think you should do some reading on the great depression

    you can not have a valid debate with someone that is fueled by hate. you sir hate the democratically elected government for doing what the people that put them into office want them to do. you are in the minority yet where was the tea party and the conservative right during the bush years...

    now i ask you what are your solutions to the problem that obama has faced? these would of been the same problems McCain would of faced if he and that dummy of a running mate where elected into office.
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    Re: President Obama

    Lol, the troll hath returned!!! Keep him on a low carb diet this time guys.

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    Re: President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by kbohip View Post
    Lol, the troll hath returned!!! Keep him on a low carb diet this time guys.
    Gotta love the mantra though. Bring up valid points or criticisms of The Won and his incompetent party and you must be motivated by hate. Oh.. and let's not talk about his party's incompetence on nearly every level. Instead lets turn the discussion to what I'd do.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    Gotta love the mantra though. Bring up valid points or criticisms of The Won and his incompetent party and you must be motivated by hate. Oh.. and let's not talk about his party's incompetence on nearly every level. Instead lets turn the discussion to what I'd do.

    BOTH PARTY'S ARE INCOMPETENT I THINK YOU AND I CAN AGREE ON THIS ONE THING

    the hate mantra was carried by someone in this thread calling obama a Muslim like something is wrong for someone practicing their religion in this country to note that could also be a racial attack since i don't know of any caucasian Muslim's. a lot of problems exist in this country the democrats have their set of fixes to the problems and the bills are passing. the republicans need to come up with better legislative alternatives than pouting like a 5 year old kid and filibustering everything they possibly can. i wonder though does our government officials still get paid if they do nothing
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    Re: President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxius View Post
    BOTH PARTY'S ARE INCOMPETENT the hate mantra was carried by someone in this thread calling obama a Muslim like something is wrong for someone practicing their religion in this country to note that could also be a racial attack since i don't know of any caucasian Muslim's
    You must be taking lessons from some of our forums more popular centrists. Cannot even get out of your own sentence without proving yourself a hypocrite.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    You must be taking lessons from some of our forums more popular centrists. Cannot even get out of your own sentence without proving yourself a hypocrite.
    Eh i try but you are the same way
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxius View Post
    Eh i try but you are the same way
    Because simply making the accusation is the exact same thing as actually providing proof. Go with the rubber/glue comeback next time around...
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Re: President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxius View Post
    the hate mantra was carried by someone in this thread calling obama a Muslim like something is wrong for someone practicing their religion in this country to note that could also be a racial attack since i don't know of any caucasian Muslim's. a lot of problems exist in this country the democrats have their set of fixes to the problems and the bills are passing. the republicans need to come up with better legislative alternatives than pouting like a 5 year old kid and filibustering everything they possibly can. i wonder though does our government officials still get paid if they do nothing
    Your correct, I don't like this President or his beliefs or his protection for the one religion that is trying to kill YOU and every other American because we are Americans.

    Don't like that, too bad..
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    Apparently it's now the gubberment's job to make sure we get out more. Sounds an awful lot like those euroweenies who want to make tourism and vacations basic human rights.

    Feds to solve problem of children not fishing and hunting enough

    President Obama stated in a Presidential Memorandum last month:

    the Federal government...has a responsibility to... [r]econnect Americans, especially children, to America's rivers and waterways, landscapes of national significance, ranches, farms and forests, great parks,
and coasts and beaches.

    The above quote has two ellipses, but, difficult as it may be to believe, I did not distort his words. He truly believes that the Federal Government needs to solve this problem, which he defines further in the Memorandum:

    Children, especially, are spending less time outside running and playing, fishing and hunting, and connecting to the outdoors just down the street or outside of town.
    Children aren't hunting enough? It must have hurt to pander to those bitter clingers.

    Obama's response to this crisis is to create another of the government programs that seem to be spun out of the White House at a rate of two or three a week. This one is called "America's Great Outdoors Initiative." It calls on no less than three Cabinet Secretaries (Interior, Agriculture and EPA), plus the Chair of the Council on Environmental Quality to develop "A 21st Century Strategy for America's Great Outdoors."

    To excerpt the important points of the Memorandum (direct quotes):

    1. Americans are blessed with a vast and varied natural heritage. From mountains to deserts and from sea to shining sea, America's great outdoors...[blah, blah, blah].

    2. Today, however, we are losing touch with too many of the places. Families are spending less time together enjoying their natural surroundings.

    3. Across America, communities are uniting to protect the places they love. However, these efforts are often scattered and sometimes insufficient....The Federal Government, the Nation's largest land manager, has a responsibility to engage with these partners to help develop a conservation agenda worthy of the 21st Century. We must look to the private sector and nonprofit organizations, as well as towns, cities, and States, and the people who live and work in them, to identify the places that mean the most to Americans, and leverage the support of the Federal Government to help these community-driven efforts to succeed. Through these partnerships, we will work to connect these outdoor spaces to each other, and to reconnect Americans to them.
    These "public/private partnerships," and "leveraging" mean one thing: the Federal Government is expanding into yet another part of our lives. It's going to cost us some money, but connecting outdoor spaces and reconnecting Americans to them is vital work that can only be done by the Federal Government. As Obama reminded us at his recent speech to the Business Council, "no business, no individual is going to provide [public goods] on their own."
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDragon24 View Post
    Is he a socialist or is he a king? I get confused sometimes. They kind of fly in the face of one another so I just wanted to know which point I needed to argue against this week

    I donít know about the king part I think heís more of a messiah in the eyeís of his obamites . Have you ever noticed that socialism canít hold up under its own weight? Take Greece for an example and for that matter much of the EU and England. They are all in desperate trouble because of big government, big spending, nanny state governing and deficit. I might add the US is in the same boat. For socialism/communism to survive it must have a tyrannical government lead by a tyrannical leader for example take Cuba, Venezuela, Vietnam and China. I think the USA is dead on course for the same problems you see in Greece unless our government gets the spending and the deficit under control. The thing is so many people here are already addicted to nanny state governing that it might be too late to fix the problems.

    The problems are a compilation of both democratic and republican leadership but I think Obambi, Nancy and Harry are the final act in a real life drama about the end of the American dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tucker View Post
    I donít know about the king part I think heís more of a messiah in the eyeís of his obamites . Have you ever noticed that socialism canít hold up under its own weight? Take Greece for an example and for that matter much of the EU and England. They are all in desperate trouble because of big government, big spending, nanny state governing and deficit. I might add the US is in the same boat. For socialism/communism to survive it must have a tyrannical government lead by a tyrannical leader for example take Cuba, Venezuela, Vietnam and China. I think the USA is dead on course for the same problems you see in Greece unless our government gets the spending and the deficit under control. The thing is so many people here are already addicted to nanny state governing that it might be too late to fix the problems.

    The problems are a compilation of both democratic and republican leadership but I think Obambi, Nancy and Harry are the final act in a real life drama about the end of the American dream.
    You make valid points tucker, always do.

    Here's my question for you, and for everyone really....Are you really ready to make the changes necessary? Are you willing to stop spending umpteen billion a month on two wars? Willing to turn your roof into a solar panel to get off of the grid? Willing to ride your bike and walk a helluva lot more? Willing to pay $5 for a head of lettuce? Willing to stop going to Walmart? Willing to shut down medicare and social security? The VA? The school system?

    Do you think the majority of Americans are ready?

    I don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDragon24 View Post
    You make valid points tucker, always do.

    Here's my question for you, and for everyone really....Are you really ready to make the changes necessary? Are you willing to stop spending umpteen billion a month on two wars? Willing to turn your roof into a solar panel to get off of the grid? Willing to ride your bike and walk a helluva lot more? Willing to pay $5 for a head of lettuce? Willing to stop going to Walmart? Willing to shut down medicare and social security? The VA? The school system?

    Do you think the majority of Americans are ready?

    I don't.
    Most of the federal spending has nothing to do with these things. WE don't need to stop spending money if we actually have the money. The government needs to stop spending money. And, why is the price of lettuce going to go up? You may think that wars are expensive (and they are) but it is a drop in the bucket compared to all the entitlement spending.

    But I agree, I don't think most Americans are any more ready than the Greeks are but sooner or later it will be forced upon us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDragon24 View Post
    You make valid points tucker, always do.

    Here's my question for you, and for everyone really....Are you really ready to make the changes necessary? Are you willing to stop spending umpteen billion a month on two wars? Willing to turn your roof into a solar panel to get off of the grid? Willing to ride your bike and walk a helluva lot more? Willing to pay $5 for a head of lettuce? Willing to stop going to Walmart? Willing to shut down medicare and social security? The VA? The school system?

    Do you think the majority of Americans are ready?

    I don't.

    Thatís a couple of the points I was trying to make. We have too many entitlements already why on earth would we want to add more. Thatís what I meant when I said weíre too addicted to entitlements already. Social Security and Medicare would be in much better shape than they are if the big spenders in Washington would have kept their frigging hands off the taxes paid into them. Just think how much money the baby boomers paid into SS & Medicare and itís all gone because of government mismanagement.

    I would do anything I could to get the hell away from SO Cal Edison but there isnít anything cost effective enough to make it worthwhile. Maybe solar panels and a wind mill would do.

    I could grow some of my own lettuce and fill the freezer with venison at the same time. The critters destroyed most of the flowers and shrubbery I had in my yard over the winter. I imagine theyíd just love lettuce.

    At this point cutting way back on the forces in Iraq is probably be a good idea. Afghanistan is a real tough call to make, undecided.

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    Re: President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by AMD Fanatic View Post
    Your correct, I don't like this President or his beliefs or his protection for the one religion that is trying to kill YOU and every other American because we are Americans.

    Don't like that, too bad..
    um then why are you America you do realize that you are pissing on one of this country greatest freedoms whats next getting stopped by the cops and them saying papers please and its not the whole religion like every religion has their fare share of nutcases
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    Quote Originally Posted by bk94si View Post
    Most of the federal spending has nothing to do with these things. WE don't need to stop spending money if we actually have the money. The government needs to stop spending money. And, why is the price of lettuce going to go up? You may think that wars are expensive (and they are) but it is a drop in the bucket compared to all the entitlement spending.

    But I agree, I don't think most Americans are any more ready than the Greeks are but sooner or later it will be forced upon us.
    you don't get how the economic system works the us will always be in debt our debt is owned by other country's this is used to stabilize their economy one reason why the us dollar is the currency of choice they actually make money off the interest ffs the only solution is for country's to stop buying our debt

    i think this explaines what i am trying to say A LOT BETTER http://www.dailypaul.com/node/107077
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