President Obama

[BlackDragon24]

Yes, he's awesome. He said he "put them on the table". And his plan for them is what, exactly? Besides telling Republicans to come up with a plan.

Exactly.

No plan.

Nada. Nix.

Sound tough, do squat.The corporate jet tax reduction came from the Obambi stimulus plan, so who's stupid here? But even putting that aside, please explain how changing corporate jet taxation will feed women and children. Is there a food program in Obambi's plan to change jet taxation after he changed it in the stimulus or are you simply upset that the doctor can put in simple terms what you cannot?That would be a good idea.

Obviously, if what's not good for a debt ceiling negotiation is not good for a re-election campaign, we can talk about Republicans starving poor women and children.

Its the priorities Dutch and you are being purposefully obtuse here and you know it.

If you lobby to cut WIC and PP funding while lobbying to save tax breaks for oil companies and corporate jets, then your priorities are fundamentally fu%^ed up.

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^^^ I appreciate the argument here and wonder why BOTH parties are intractable.

I look at it like my own situation- especially this close to retirement.

I have a debt and my main source of income is due to vanish. I attack it by two methods. First is to cut spending and second is to use whatever of the saving to help pay off my liabilities and grow my assets.

Now look at it from my employer's point of view. Getting a raise would be helpful, but demanding one when my employer is cashed strapped and pay cutting everyone else is unreasonable and pretty much screws everyone.

What the government needs to do is start thinking of their employer: We the Taxpayers. Moreover, they should not be running the government like fat cats, nor should they continue helping fat cats stay fat cats by using taxpayer money to keep them that way.

This really isn't hard to understand from a household perspective and most of government's problem is that many of those in charge have either forgotten or have no idea of what that looks like.

[BlackDragon24]

^^^For my 5000th post, I will simply say this:

Aerosim/Anybody else 2012 baby yeaaaaah!

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^^^ I appreciate the argument here and wonder why BOTH parties are intractable.

I look at it like my own situation- especially this close to retirement.

I have a debt and my main source of income is due to vanish. I attack it by two methods. First is to cut spending and second is to use whatever of the saving to help pay off my liabilities and grow my assets.

Now look at it from my employer's point of view. Getting a raise would be helpful, but demanding one when my employer is cashed strapped and pay cutting everyone else is unreasonable and pretty much screws everyone.

What the government needs to do is start thinking of their employer: We the Taxpayers. Moreover, they should not be running the government like fat cats, nor should they continue helping fat cats stay fat cats by using taxpayer money to keep them that way.

This really isn't hard to understand from a household perspective and most of government's problem is that many of those in charge have either forgotten or have no idea of what that looks like.

well put. I think theres a lot of people who are really uncomfortable with tightening the belt, and both sides don't seem too keen on making any tough calls. I agree with BlackDragon, the priorities on the right seem very warped. why are we looking at chopping medicare before putting some taxes back up on the top 1%? I mean, these people pay lower % taxes than the middle class when you factor in all the loopholes. why are we leaving the loopholes open and cutting the things that affect the majority? not saying medicare and other social programs don't need to trim the fat, they absolutely do and the left should be willing to do that.. I just don't really understand why closing some of these easy loopholes and stuff isn't the first thing that gets done.

[Dutchcedar]

Its the priorities Dutch and you are being purposefully obtuse here and you know it.

If you lobby to cut WIC and PP funding while lobbying to save tax breaks for oil companies and corporate jets, then your priorities are fundamentally fu%^ed up.

Well yeah, Planned Parenthood funding is essential while increasing taxation to oil companies who will pass the stuff on to consumers is brilliant.

You can say I'm stoopid or obtuse, BD, but you miss my point.

Obambi has no plan that will help us.

None.

He's in campaign mode and wants to raise taxes.

He can't campaign on that so he uses it in debt ceiling negotiations.

Your defense of his stuff... the usual. Poor women and children and government subsidized abortions. As if corporate jet taxation and oil company subsidies are related to them.

Those, apparently, are your priorities.

If so, BD, you're simply not serious about the subject... its about going broke.

Trillions of dollars.

And neither side is talking about cutting anything except the rate of spending increases.

Women and children will starve while babies will be forced to live.

Give me a freakin' break.

Your argument is a bad Bill Maher joke.

Give us some Carlin instead.

[BlackDragon24]

Well yeah, Planned Parenthood funding is essential while increasing taxation to oil companies who will pass the stuff on to consumers is brilliant.

You can say I'm stoopid or obtuse, BD, but you miss my point.

Obambi has no plan that will help us.

None.

He's in campaign mode and wants to raise taxes.

He can't campaign on that so he uses it in debt ceiling negotiations.

Your defense of his stuff... the usual. Poor women and children and government subsidized abortions. As if corporate jet taxation and oil company subsidies are related to them.

Those, apparently, are your priorities.

If so, BD, you're simply not serious about the subject... its about going broke.

Trillions of dollars.

And neither side is talking about cutting anything except the rate of spending increases.

Women and children will starve while babies will be forced to live.

Give me a freakin' break.

Your argument is a bad Bill Maher joke.

Give us some Carlin instead.

Sure Dutch I'm feeling obligatory this morning. And for the record, I did not mean to call you stupid specifically....it was a play on words of "its the economy stupid"...but I see that didn't come across. I most definitely did call you obtuse though

Some classic George:

"I don't like ass kissers, flag wavers or team players. I like people who buck the system. Individualists. I often warn people: "Somewhere along the way, someone is going to tell you, 'There is no "I" in team.' What you should tell them is, 'Maybe not. But there is an "I" in independence, individuality and integrity.'" Avoid teams at all cost. Keep your circle small. Never join a group that has a name. If they say, "We're the So-and-Sos," take a walk. And if, somehow, you must join, if it's unavoidable, such as a union or a trade association, go ahead and join. But don't participate; it will be your death. And if they tell you you're not a team player, congratulate them on being observant."

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."

"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."

"We're so self-important. So arrogant. Everybody's going to save something now. Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save the snails. And the supreme arrogance? Save the planet! Are these people kidding? Save the planet? We don't even know how to take care of ourselves; we haven't learned how to care for one another. We're gonna save the f%^kin' planet? . . . And, by the way, there's nothing wrong with the planet in the first place. The planet is fine. The people are fu$%ed! Compared with the people, the planet is doin' great. It's been here over four billion years . . . The planet isn't goin' anywhere, folks. We are! We're goin' away. Pack your shit, we're goin' away. And we won't leave much of a trace. Thank God for that. Nothing left. Maybe a little Styrofoam. The planet will be here, and we'll be gone. Another failed mutation; another closed-end biological mistake."

"Some people see the glass half full. Others see it half empty. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be."

"Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy."

"Instead of warning pregnant women not to drink, I think female alcoholics ought to be told not to f$%k"

"Life gets really simple once you cut out all the bull shit they teach you in school."

"The real reason that we can’t have the Ten Commandments in a courthouse: You cannot post “Thou shalt not steal,” “Thou shalt not commit adultery,” and “Thou shalt not lie” in a building full of lawyers, judges, and politicians. It creates a hostile work environment."

"I don't know how you feel, but I'm pretty sick of church people. You know what they ought to do with churches? Tax them. If holy people are so interested in politics, government, and public policy, let them pay the price of admission like everybody else. The Catholic Church alone could wipe out the national debt if all you did was tax their real estate."

And last but not least, my favorite for the republicans:

"If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done?"

[Dutchcedar]

^^^ At least you addressed that one thing well, Mr. Maher.

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Well yeah, Planned Parenthood funding is essential while increasing taxation to oil companies who will pass the stuff on to consumers is brilliant.

Billions upon billions of cash, record profits for oil companies and their wealthy shareholders and how much of it trickles down to you and me? supply-side economics is a sad joke. the top 1% are sitting on trillions while our country goes broke and the clowns in washington sit by and argue that cutting 50 million here and there for stuff like planned parenthood or NPR or NOAA is mandatory to fix the country. give me a freakin' break.

[tucker]

^^^ How much of Obambi’s trickle up economics is trickling up to you? I dare say zero, nada, none…

Redistribution of wealth makes everybody equally destitute and equally enslaved by big government.


btw… Are you paying any attention to what’s happening in the EU at all…

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^^^ How much of Obambi’s trickle up economics is trickling up to you? I dare say zero, nada, none…

Redistribution of wealth makes everybody equally destitute and equally enslaved by big government.


btw… Are you paying any attention to what’s happening in the EU at all…

Obamacare actually directly benefited me, so there was that... Either way, I'm not looking for trickle up or down. i'm looking for our government to practice some fiscal responsibility. Why the hell some corporate fat-cat gets to pay less in taxes when they have far more than enough to live a fantastic lifestyle, while hard-working Americans everywhere have to give up social services is beyond me. Trim the social services, I don't care, I just don't want to be holding the bill while the top 1% doesn't have to give up anything

[Dutchcedar]

Billions upon billions of cash, record profits for oil companies and their wealthy shareholders and how much of it trickles down to you and me? supply-side economics is a sad joke. the top 1% are sitting on trillions while our country goes broke and the clowns in washington sit by and argue that cutting 50 million here and there for stuff like planned parenthood or NPR or NOAA is mandatory to fix the country. give me a freakin' break.

The taxes paid to the capital redistribution machine federal government by those evil oil companies is more than, let me correct that, much more than their evil profits and what they share with their wealthy shareholders.

Buy some stock and share in the wealth.

This game of adjusting oil company taxes to appear as if the government is going after the wealthy is just that... a game. You and I know the oil companies will simply apply your trickle down methods at the pump to recoup the billions Obambi claims he will insist they pay.

So you and I, again, get the shaft.

[tucker]

I think this entire budget talk sideshow is designed for the consumption of the gullible voting public. I think if you lined up the president and the leadership of both parties asshole to belly button you couldn’t tell one from the other. All of them are equally owned by big money and all of them are equally dependent on big government to satisfy their addiction to power and control.

All of this talk about Medicare cuts and nobody is paying one bit of attention to the big mama of all government spending, Obamacare.

By the time Obamacare siphons 500 billion out of medicare and another couple of hundred billion in Medicare cuts goes to Obamacare you might as well just X out the whole Medicare program. All of that money cut from Medicare and not a single penny of it is targeted on waste, fraud and abuse.

Welcome to socialized medicine and all of the pitfalls there in.

[Dutchcedar]

^^^ As usual, you're spot on... in my eyes at least.

Think about it... spending is up a trillion or so a year under the Obambi regime. Over ten years, with the most slashalicious proposal they've got, they want to cut four trillion. Six trillion less than they will have over spent. In other words, they're still kicking the can.

[tucker]

Here’s a little story that shows me just how much people are uniformed and in the dark.

Yesterday I was in the waiting room at the dialysis clinic my wife uses waiting for her to finish the last 30 minutes of treatment. Four dialysis patients were discussing the cuts they’ve already been seeing in Medicare coverage. All of them were a little hot under the collar like you might expect. The thing that amazed me is every one of them blamed the cuts on the republicans and the current budget talks.

The fact is Medicare has been making cuts in service in preparation for Obamacare to take effect ever since it passed. The cuts are clearly explained and credited to Obamacare in the 2011 Medicare pamphlet and on the Medicare web site.

Simply amazing…

I guess that shows the power of the far left government owned main stream media…

[tucker]

^^^ As usual, you're spot on... in my eyes at least.

Think about it... spending is up a trillion or so a year under the Obambi regime. Over ten years, with the most slashalicious proposal they've got, they want to cut four trillion. Six trillion less than they will have over spent. In other words, they're still kicking the can.

Remember the republicans wanted a 100 billion dollar cut in the 2011 budget. They settled for 60 billion I think. By the time everything was said and done it turned out to be a poultry 38.5 billion. That amounts to a mere band-aid on arterial bleeding.

Expect more of the same…

boy-o-boy I sure am glad many millions of winning votes mean nothing.

What a waste of time.