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    Re: President Obama

    http://danbraganca.com/2011/07/21/he...leading-chart/

    Rub a few brain cells together, and you'll see that the heritage foundation is full of shit once more.
    The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter - Winston Churchill.

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    Re: President Obama

    Appeals Court Rules Call to 'Shoot' Obama Protected Speech

    Published July 21, 2011 | FoxNews.com

    A California man's call to "shoot" President Obama was ruled as legal and protected speech this week, as a federal court overturned his conviction in connection with the 2008 threats.

    Under U.S. law, it is illegal to threaten harm against a major presidential candidate. But the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Tuesday that Walter Bagdasarian's threats did not cross the legal line because he didn't appear to have the "intent" to carry them out.

    While calling the defendant an "especially unpleasant fellow," the court found that the two comments for which he was convicted could not be deemed serious.

    "These statements are particularly repugnant because they directly encourage violence. We nevertheless hold that neither of them constitutes an offense within the meaning of the threat statute," the court wrote in its opinion.

    The comments were posted on a Yahoo! Finance message board in October 2008, when it looked increasingly likely Obama was poised to win the presidential election. Shortly after midnight, Bagdasarian joined the discussion. He called Obama a "n-----" and said "he will have a 50 cal in the head soon." He posted another comment 20 minutes later that said "shoot the n--."

    Somebody reported his statements to authorities and within a month Secret Service agents showed up at his house. He admitted to posting the comments and also informed the agents he had weapons in his house, according to court documents. After obtaining a search warrant, agents found six firearms as well as Election Day emails containing threatening language on his hard drive.

    The three-judge panel reviewing Bagdasarian's conviction from a lower court was not unanimous in overturning the verdict. Judge Kim Wardlaw, who dissented in part from the majority ruling, argued that Bagdasarian's access to weapons showed he "could implement the threat." Wardlaw wrote that given the facts, he showed a "specific intent" to threaten Obama.

    However, the majority wrote that his possession of firearms did not speak to his intent.

    The defendant also wrote on the message board, and later said at trial, that he had been drinking a lot and was intoxicated when he made the offending comments.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...est=latestnews
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    Re: President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinC939 View Post
    http://danbraganca.com/2011/07/21/he...leading-chart/

    Rub a few brain cells together, and you'll see that the heritage foundation is full of shit once more.
    Meh. Line graph or bar graph, the numbers are the same and the trend line bends at the same place.

    If ya lay lines over the graph you say discredits Heritage, it shows the same danged thing:



    So where is Heritage full of shit? Are the numbers wrong? Can you show another reason?

    Keep in mind that 200,000 jobs a month is only keeping pace with population growth, so although going positive is great, its not necessarily growth.
    Last edited by Dutchcedar; 07-21-2011 at 05:24 PM.

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    ^^ I read the link and thought the exact same thing... no difference other than Line graph vs. bar graph. Though Dan does try some creative spin:

    But now we see that after Obamacare passed we were gaining jobs while before it we were losing jobs.
    Which only goes to show he cannot even read his own graph. He should stick to Bamma's fallback... Blame Bush...

    Obama On Lack Of “Change” He Promised: The “Vast Majority” Know It’s Bush’s Fault…

    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Rhetorical question IMHO. Libberals were stupid to buy into Mr.Dopeychange to begin with. It's hardly a stretch to think they'd do it again... anyway. Here is your Thursday stupid...

    Lamb Chopra
    Can liberals re-elect President Obama by getting stupid?


    The New Age media personality Deepak Chopra is worried that President Obama may not win re-election. But he has a bright idea, which he sets forth in a San Francisco Chronicle column. His analysis has four parts:

    1. Liberals are freethinkers who wisely question their own assumptions. "One of the virtues of being on the liberal side of politics is that total obedience isn't required. There are no hidden agendas. Ideology doesn't lead to unreason. . . . Liberal politics is based on a non-regimented, all-inclusive approach to democracy. Freedom of thought is paramount."

    2. Conservatives, by contrast, are sheep who blindly adhere to crazy dogmas. "It feels as if the inmates are running the asylum--as in the current Republican threat to default on America's debt. . . . If you suppose that the average citizen remembers that the right wing are the very ones who got us into this forlorn tangle of wars abroad, financial collapse, out-of-control spending, and massive bonuses for the rich, you have not felt the power that fear exerts."

    3. It is crucial to keep Obama in office lest the crazy, stupid conservatives take over. "The prevailing sanity of President Obama is something that others and I have taken for granted. . . . It was such a relief to return to humane, non-ideological governance when President Obama won in 2008."

    4. Therefore, liberals should stop questioning him and give him their blind support. "All of us who have taken advantage of our liberal heritage to question and criticize President Obama need to step back and consider the radical nature of the opposition. . . . If ever there was a time to stand behind the captain, this is it."

    To sum it up even more concisely: Liberals are smart. Conservatives are stupid. We can't let the stupid side win. So we need to be stupid too!

    If one accepts Chopra's premises, this seems self-defeating. He proposes to sacrifice liberalism's putative advantages--thoughtfulness and reason--in the name of electoral victory. But what's the point in voting for liberals if they're just going to ape the right-wing sheep?

    Of course this column rejects Chopra's premises, particularly the first one. If we learned anything in college, it is that the claim that liberals in general are open-minded, tolerant and thoughtful is a combination of fraud and self-delusion. Chopra refutes his own first premise by asserting his second one. If he were really the freethinker he claims to be, he would not describe those who disagree in such crudely dismissive terms.

    To be sure, not all liberals are as thick-headed as Chopra, and some conservatives are. But we have to wonder if Chopra hasn't gotten the general trends backward. Perhaps conservatives have tended to win elections over the past few decades precisely because liberals have allowed themselves to be outsmarted by already acting in accord with Chopra's advice to be stupid.
    . . .
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    ^^^ Gads. So, in brief, the goal is to get free-thinking people to stop questioning and give their blind support to Obambi?

    I think they've been doing just that for quite some time, but hey, why not.

    More please.

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    Re: President Obama

    Obama's Tricky Campaign Cash: Insider Fundraising Events and Wooing Wall Street

    By Kimberly Schwandt

    Published July 21, 2011 | FoxNews.com


    The 2012 election is expected to break fundraising records, with some estimates putting President Obama raising upwards of $1 billion -- which brings into focus the creative and tricky lines the Obama campaign has to walk to bring in cash.

    President Obama’s 2012 campaign is launching a “Speakers Series,” starting Thursday evening with a fundraiser headlined by former White House Chief of Staff and current Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel.

    For $5,000 a year, a donor can get five events with Obama insiders, or just one at a $1,000 a pop.

    A Democratic official also tells Fox News that the list of speakers ranges from 2012 campaign officials, to mayors and athletes and some current administration officials like White House Senior Advisers Valerie Jarrett and David Plouffe.

    It’s the later group, current White House staffers, that tip-toes a fine political line.

    The White House says officials will be using their personal time and there’s nothing inappropriate going on. They also point to other administrations doing the same thing.

    "As has been the consistent practice for prior administrations, officials in their private time can and do engage in political work on behalf of the president. Administration officials are also permitted to speak at, attend and be the featured guest at political events, including fundraisers, but they cannot, and do not, personally solicit contributions," said White House Spokesman Eric Schultz.

    To some though, the line is too fine and it’s seen as buying face time to promote a cause.

    "Let's call it what it is -- selling access. Every administration does it, but it's equally wrong, whether it's a Democratic or Republican administration," said University of Virginia’s Director of Politics Larry Sabato.

    He adds, while they can’t directly solicit money, there’s no disillusionment about what is happening.

    “They know it's being collected, that's why they're there, and that's why this is an access situation and it deserves very close scrutiny -- who's there, what are their legislative and executive interests, what are they trying to get? Some them are just there because they support the president, but some of them are there because they have specific interests, and they need certain key administration officials on their side," Sabato said.

    Sabato says the practice has been going on since the Nixon administration.

    It’s something as recent as 2006 that the Bush White House got slammed for. Former Bush White House Press Secretary Tony Snow headlined about 16 fundraising events for congressional candidates.

    At a White House briefing in November of 2006, he described his role like this, “I mean, you've seen plenty of tapes of these -- is that I give a positive message about what the president's doing and what it promises for a better America. And that's what I continue to do,” Snow said.

    The Obama campaign made the decision to locate its headquarters in Chicago, an attempt to give an outside-the-beltway feel.

    He’s the first president to have an out-of-Washington re-election office in decades.

    Another money matter – courting Wall Street cash -- is also posing a tricky situation: whether Obama is getting too close to Wall Street executives and angering his liberal base.

    "I did not run for office to be helping out a bunch of, you know, fat-cat bankers on Wall Street," Obama said in a “60 Minutes” interview in December 2009.

    That comment, on top of the president signing sweeping Wall Street reform legislation exactly a year ago, brought huge support from his base.

    “When he calls Wall Street bankers fat cats, then his base cheers, so you'll see him constantly trying to shift back and forth and keep wall street happy at one point and his base happy at another point,” said Jim Moorhead, current crisis advisor at Steptoe & Johnson, LLP and also a former Goldman Sachs investment banker.

    One nod to Wall Street that pleased executives was the naming of former JP Morgan Bank Senior Executive Bill Daley to be Obama’s chief of staff.

    There was also a secret meeting at the White House with Wall Street executives a couple weeks before he formally launched his re-election bid. While the administration says the meeting was just about job ideas, these moves cause consumer advocates to give a mixed review of Obama’s performance with Wall Street. They were pleased when he appointed bank critic Richard Cordray to head the new consumer bureau on Monday, but other courtship of executives makes them uneasy.

    “I'm happy for our president, for any member of congress to speak with member of the financial industry as does Public Citizen, but we are nervous that conversations can sometimes indicate friendships and alliances that we think is misplaced,” said Bart Naylor of Public Citizen, a consumer advocacy group.

    Experts note that while Wall Street cash is helpful, there’s plenty of money to go around.

    “What amazes me about American politics is just how much money is actually out there waiting to be tapped. If you get shut out in one quarter, one sector, no matter how big it is, you can make it up in other quarters and other sectors,” said Sabato.


    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...g-wall-street/

    hopenchange

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    Re: President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do.
    Dale Carnegie
    Hmmmm........same bull$h!t, different day?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveW View Post
    Hmmmm........same bull$h!t, different day?
    Meh.

    I s'pose its fitting to use a signature as a reflection of one's self.

    When ya point a finger, three point back at yerself.

    But this is old stuff... projection and denial and all of that.

    So yeah, same bull$h!t, different day.

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    ^^^ Free up to date analysis on what you really heard and what you really saw with your own ears and eyes.

    There's a small fee for what you really think...

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    hmm. Interesting reaction to a sig I thought were good words to remind me how to frame an argument with thought and supporting data. Never did I realize it would become the topic so as to avoid the topic.

    But, my friends, you keep those virtual fingers awaggin' in my direction all you wish. None of these personal opinions are new to me, and all they do is remind me of a saying about opinions. I know it may be hard to think someone has a different opinion than you, and that opinion can be expressed without the normal extreme classification of position you seem to need in avoiding conversation. And that's all it is to me. Please carry on...

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    B.O's legacy ?
    http://news.yahoo.com/obama-legacy-m...XBhZ2U-;_ylv=3
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    Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign trumpeted hope for the future, but his legacy may include presiding over the withering of the American Dream. Belief that the American Dream is possible has dropped by nearly 20 points since his election, falling just below one-half of U.S. adults.

    My research since 1998 about the American Dream has shown its definition evolving away from material wealth and toward spiritual happiness (both secular and religious.) So this drop in belief hints that our economic and political problems are shaking American confidence about the future and even our way of life.

    This should be an enormous problem for a president seeking re-election, especially since Republican opposition makes it nearly impossible to stimulate employment in ways Obama would prefer. However, stridency from that opposition and weakness of the Republican field put Obama in much better position than the situation should allow.

    And here is another twist on why Obama can survive this national malaise. Demographic groups loyal to Republicans are more likely to believe in the American Dream than are Democratic base voters. In 2008, Obama carried voters who did not believe they could achieve the American Dream by two-to-one, lost to John McCain those who did believe in the dream and still won the election. Our July 15-18 IBOPE Zogby interactive poll showed the largest drops in belief coming from groups most likely to vote against Obama.

    Let’s look at our data to give you a better understanding of these dynamics. In an interactive poll taken immediately after Obama’s 2008 election, 68% of adults said it is possible for them and their families to achieve the American Dream, and 18% said it did not exist. Almost as many (62%) agreed most middle class families could achieve it. Our poll taken a week ago showed 49.7% believing the dream was achievable for their families, 30% saying it did not exist and 44% agreeing it is achievable for most middle class families.
    I don't know..Both parties are to blame and NAFTA sure didn't help.
    The housing bust was our version of an iceberg with the outsourcing
    and cuts of jobs being all the bad water rushing in. The American
    Dream is like the Titanic anymore, it's still floating for a while but
    sadly it seems it's slowly going down the drink.

    I don't know what the GOP has to do with keeping the
    economy stagnant, as the Dems were in power for 2
    years after B.O got in.

    If any want to see a stagnant mess, just come to California where
    the Dems have been in charge for years..Just to fair, Bush didn't
    help much either. The president will always be the fall guy. I don't
    care for the current guy, nor did I really care for the last few, but
    to put all the blame on Obama isn't calling it straight.
    Last edited by no2guncntrl; 07-22-2011 at 04:59 PM.

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    Re: President Obama

    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: President Obama

    Obami administrations idea of "uncontestably true"... the economy has "vastly improved". Maybe a better post for the cognitive dissonance thread.



    From the comments:

    He's right. It has vastly improved.

    Just look at our national debt situation. It is now so much lower than when...er...well, okay, the debt isn't the best example.

    Just look at how the world perceives us. The entire world now sees us as...nevermind.

    Just look at the unemployemnt-well. No, don't look at that.

    Just look at how high consumer confidence is. Actually, don't.

    Okay, just look at the fact that we are no longer at war with - oh crud!!!

    At least gas and food prices are alot lower.
    They obviously have their marching orders/talking points as Wasshername Schultzie has been on the MSM circuit for over a month pimping the exact same mind numbing rubbish.

    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    Obami administrations idea of "uncontestably true"... the economy has "vastly improved". Maybe a better post for the cognitive dissonance thread.



    From the comments:



    They obviously have their marching orders/talking points as Wasshername Schultzie has been on the MSM circuit for over a month pimping the exact same mind numbing rubbish.

    After seeing the source of this channel as well as the editing of the video, your point is what scooter? That only pimping by is what we should watch?

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