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  1. #166
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    Re: The $825B Economic Stimulus Package

    Yeah, the stimulus package looks more like a "mini"-budget used to balloon non-military packages. You know that this thing and the TARP extortionary billionaire payoff bonanzabailout packages are making military money look like a gun collection ammo budget. What I would've hoped for from the Republicans is a bill that doesn't contain Republican party agenda pork to pass.

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    Re: The $825B Economic Stimulus Package

    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Re: The $825B Economic Stimulus Package

    Keep talking Team Obama

    Its working wonders...

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...e_things_worse

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    Re: The $825B Economic Stimulus Package

    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal View Post
    Keep talking Team Obama

    Its working wonders...

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...e_things_worse
    It’s plain to see O is trying to play both ends against the middle. While public support for the "crap sandwich" is waning.. it's still being pimped in the media has "the house" bill.. not his. Sticking to his 16th deadline is another indication to me he simply wants to push this 600+ page money sucker through w/o much review or revision because he wants all that crap in it. He has only pushed his (D) colleagues to remove items that have caught the public's attention so far. “Hurry and pass it before they notice the other billions in bloat” seems to be the theme of the day.

    Did you catch any of his rash of interviews yesterday? Talk about snake oil salesman/ph33r monger. If you only listened to him you'd think the world would implode if this package did not pass by the 16th. I also nearly blew milk when he claimed emphatically in the Wallace interview that "the pork items people have pointed out amount to less than 1% of the total package"! Can you say lying through his teeth? I wholly expected his pants to catch fire. 1% my shiny metal a$$! The number goes a smidge higher than that just in pointing out the billions in payoffs to groups like ACORN.

    I also liked the “we don’t have time to explain how every item will be simulative” bit. You have time to write bills and spend our money by the billions.. but not explain the how and why? If you tried that stunt in any private company you'd promptly be shown the door with a box filled with the contents of your desk. Any objective viewer knows that’s code for “you’d laugh yourselves to death if you heard our rationale on much of what is in this sucker. We’d rather not have to explain any of it and thereby prove ourselves to be every bit the fools people think we are”.

    This POS in one fell swoop will negate years of welfare reform, grow gubberment at a pace not seen in my lifetime and will put us on a fast track to socialism. Which is exactly what happens when the gubberment becomes a nations #1 employer. The fact it was written by a body with single digit approval ratings across party lines should give a good indication of the value of it’s contents.

    Make no mistake.. this is Obama’s sh*t sandwich.. and he wants that porker as much as Pelosi, Reid, the unions and other special interest groups.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: The $825B Economic Stimulus Package

    "Now is not the time for profits".. straight from the horses mouth. Guess some people are taking notice.



    But really.. who is surprised?
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: The $825B Economic Stimulus Package

    The Stimulus: More Than a Million a Day Since Jesus Christ's Birth
    Twice today, CNN has done short segments on Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's declaration that
    To give the proposed economic stimulus plan some perspective, "if you started the day Jesus Christ was born and spent $1 million every day since then, you still wouldn’t have spent $1 trillion."
    Both times they said the claim checked out, the second time with a famous mathmetician (although I think they just needed a calculator).
    Christ's birth in year zero, times 365, times 2009, gets you 733,285,000,000, or a bit over $733 billion. (Yes, I'm leaving out leap years.) You're not even three quarters of the way there. (Politifact calculates from 4 B.C.)
    Yes, the stimulus is less than a trillion — $819 billion in the version passed by a House. But that's still a bigger total than a million a day since the first Christmas.
    That's a soundbite that is going to resonate.
    02/04 01:17 PM

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    Re: The $825B Economic Stimulus Package

    Which is exactly what conservatives have been saying from go... this is not a "stimulus".. it's a freaking 40 year liberal wish list. The article headline is a tad misleading as they are trying to convince fellow dimocrats as well as repugs. IMHO this is the money quote from the article:

    Senate Lacks Votes to Pass Stimulus
    Democrats Trying to Trim $900 Billion Plan to Gain GOP Support


    Sen. Olympia J. Snowe (Maine), a moderate who has been considered the most likely GOP vote in favor of the plan, said yesterday that she cannot support it until items that would not do enough to stimulate the economy or create jobs are dropped.

    "They should scrub it," said Snowe, who voted for the tax-relief portion in the Senate Finance Committee last week. She said many of the provisions were jammed into the legislation by members of the Appropriations Committee who were "trying to short-circuit the normal legislative process."
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: The $825B Economic Stimulus Package

    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    Which is exactly what conservatives have been saying from go...
    Screw "conservatives". Wth have WE been saying around here for months?
    This should be evolving from being a Republican/Democrat and Liberal/Conservative issue to a common sense and knowledge of checkbook economics one.

    When you go shopping, you get what you want. When you get governement economic stimulus, it's sort of like having someone else load your cart, get you to pay for it, then have it given to someone else when you get out the door...and there may be a couple of items left for you, but you sure as h*ll couldn't see them for all the other sh*t in the cart.

    If you don't know what's in it and who it's for, don't buy it.
    Last edited by AeroSim; 02-04-2009 at 04:18 PM.

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    Re: The $825B Economic Stimulus Package

    ^^Setting aside all the Democrats that are simply wanting a spending spree? I agree.
    When it gets to real green money and how we run our lives? How we might be politically doesnt matter.
    Money is green not red or blue.

    Sometimes we are criticized here for being link heavy. And thats fine.
    But I defend all the links as being a way to get readers to research.

    And thats a good analogy about the shopping cart.
    Thats how people need to understand and not over react to this sort of politics

    Obama: 'Catastrophe' coming if Congress doesn't act...
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    Re: The $825B Economic Stimulus Package

    Quote Originally Posted by AeroSim View Post
    Screw "conservatives". Wth have WE been saying around here for months?
    This should be evolving from being a Republican/Democrat and Liberal/Conservative issue to a common sense and knowledge of checkbook economics one.

    When you go shopping, you get what you want. When you get governement economic stimulus, it's sort of like having someone else load your cart, get you to pay for it, then have it given to someone else when you get out the door...and there may be a couple of items left for you, but you sure as h*ll couldn't see them for all the other sh*t in the cart.

    If you don't know what's in it and who it's for, don't buy it.
    Guess I should have been more clear.. I meant fiscal conservatives. A title that IMHO transcends party affiliation. I simply find it astonishing that a President can get away with saying "we dun have time to explain how these items are supposedly stimulating to the huddled masses.. we're in a hurry" on the verge of spending over a TRILLION DOLLARS of OUR F*CKING MONEY! Obama is making Joe "you have my word on it" Isuzu look credible by comparison...

    As to the rest of your post.. agree.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: The $825B Economic Stimulus Package

    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal View Post
    ^^Setting aside all the Democrats that are simply wanting a spending spree? I agree.
    When it gets to real green money and how we run our lives? How we might be politically doesnt matter.
    Money is green not red or blue.

    Sometimes we are criticized here for being link heavy. And thats fine.
    But I defend all the links as being a way to get readers to research.

    And thats a good analogy about the shopping cart.
    Thats how people need to understand and not over react to this sort of politics

    Obama: 'Catastrophe' coming if Congress doesn't act...

    ^^^ Welcome to the party pal..
    The president rejected some criticisms of the plan: that tax cuts alone would solve the problem, or that longer-term goals such as energy independence and health care reform should wait until afterward.
    Just as I stated earlier... he readily admits wanting to keep the non-stimulus.. agenda pushing pork.. as a means to bypass the legislative process.

    In remarks at the White House, Obama argued that recalcitrant lawmakers need to get behind his approach, saying the American people embraced his ideas when they elected him president in November
    Last time I checked this is not November but February the 4th. And support for your sh*t sandwich is tanking faster than auto stock.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: The $825B Economic Stimulus Package

    Headlines we'll never see... to busy calling it the "house bill".

    “President Obama’s Deeply Unpopular Stimulus Plan”

    Now that it’s submerged to Bush/Iraq War depths in polling, whosoever of ye first espies that white whale of a phrase in the reportage, please let me know. via Surber, who likes the Daschle-Geithner-Ishmael plan.

    Related, not so different. Michael Graham reports that Barney Frank has developed a sudden interest in the anger of the American people … now that it’s about executive compensation packages and not his own.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: The $825B Economic Stimulus Package

    I'm having sad thoughts:

    Republicans are stonewalling the bill only until they get their agenda and pork-barrel in. It may not be a Trillion dollars- but a more "Republican" $700 Billion. Moreover, when we start saying taxincome cuts in the middle of a maxxing out the credit card deficit ballooning bill, I wonder who the h*ll in their families does the checkbooks. I'm sorry, I've given up on Republicans who are cut from the Bush cloth.

    To borrow from a famous movie title, I have a better idea: "Kill Bill".

    These things need to be assigned to their current appropriation legislation and discussed there.

    Another sad thought: We may be so tired of this fight that when the $2 Trillion "Billion-going-on-Trillionaire Banker Bonanza Bill" comes to the floor, we're going to have to do something more than say "wtf?".
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    Re: The $825B Economic Stimulus Package

    I hear all that. I get annoyed with the Republican responses when they are reflexive and pure politics. Then again? I recognize that they are all politicians first and foremost and none of them were elected on their business or economic acumen.
    But that doesnt excuse a 50/50 standing committee not existing
    to deal with pure finance/economic stuff.
    You might think government might have a civil service division
    made up of economists that would provide some input before
    a project like this gets politicized.

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    Re: The $825B Economic Stimulus Package

    Reynolds at his site this morning

    http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/

    POLITICO: OBAMA LOSING THE STIMULUS MESSAGE WAR. It’s not the messenger. It’s the message that stinks. And, as a wise man once said, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig.


    This is such nonsense IMO

    Obama Stresses Urgency of Now for Stimulus Bill

    President warns that failure to act on package now exceeding $920 billion could plunge the nation into a long-lasting recession that might prove irreversible.
    Last edited by jimzinsocal; 02-05-2009 at 09:18 AM.

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