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    Re: The $825B Economic Stimulus Package

    It was my fault. I was looking for a % that doesnt need to be there.
    The House Bill gets passed along to the Senate so the typical 2/3rds
    deal doesnt apply if I remember correctly.

    But of course the press will play this up as some victory.
    Some victory for The One
    All Republicans said no + 11 Democrats.
    Big victory.
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    Re: The $825B Economic Stimulus Package

    The only thing missing from the "Crap sandwich" stimulus.



    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal View Post
    It was my fault. I was looking for a % that doesnt need to be there.
    The House Bill gets passed along to the Senate so the typical 2/3rds
    deal doesnt apply if I remember correctly.

    But of course the press will play this up as some victory.
    Some victory for The One
    All Republicans said no + 11 Democrats.
    Big victory.
    ^^

    In short.. own it b*tches.

    Opposition Rules

    Republicans voted unanimously against the stimulus. The response at the Huffington Post, fast degenerating from a hotbed of partisan opposition into a government propaganda outlet that would make the editors of Pravda blush, is the headline "toeing the party line" along with a picture showing the backside of a couple elephants. How dare the opposition oppose our dear leader's stimulus package!

    In fact, Republicans have done precisely what they should have: provided Republicans in the Senate with some additional leverage in hope of stripping out some of the pork and wasteful spending that makes the current "stimulus" little more than an easy way around the traditional legislative process.
    And after all, it was Republicans who attracted Democratic support -- not the other way around. This would seem to bode well for the Republican leadership (especially Cantor who whipped a perfect game), who have a smaller caucus but one that is finally unified by being in opposition. As McCormack pointed out below, almost all the Democrats who defected are considered vulnerable in 2010. Holding together a majority isn't easy, and governing is even harder. The left can complain about Republican obstruction until they're blue in the face, but they don't need Republican support to enact their agenda of social justice and government handouts, and they shouldn't expect it. When this stimulus does nothing to revive the economy or put people back to work, there will be no confusion as to who is to blame.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: The $825B Economic Stimulus Package

    What I had forgotten was a simple majority is all that is required to pass a bill in the House the first time thru. The 2/3 requirement is to override a veto etc. or make it "bulletproof" to veto.
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    Re: The $825B Economic Stimulus Package

    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal View Post
    What I had forgotten was a simple majority is all that is required to pass a bill in the House the first time thru. The 2/3 requirement is to override a veto etc. or make it "bulletproof" to veto.
    Well, it was what I thought you were driving at. It's hard to get used to the idea that we don't (and really, probably haven't) had a president who is going to stand up to this anymore. Moreover, this bill, along with TARP, may well be establishing a new modus operandi for bill construction and passage in government.

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    cash to illegals.
    http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/...Immigrants.php
    The legislation, which would send tax credits of $500 per worker and $1,000 per couple, expressly disqualifies nonresident aliens, but it would allow people who don't have Social Security numbers to be eligible for the checks.

    Undocumented immigrants who are not eligible for a Social Security number can file tax returns with an alternative number. A House-passed version of the economic recovery bill and one making its way through the Senate would allow anyone with such a number, called an individual taxpayer identification number, to qualify for the tax credits.
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    Slipping... kool aid seems to be wearing off.

    Public Support for Economic Recovery Plan Slips to 42%

    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Re: The $825B Economic Stimulus Package

    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    Slipping... kool aid seems to be wearing off.

    Public Support for Economic Recovery Plan Slips to 42%


    and still dropping...

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    THE MESSIAH DON'T HAVE A CLUE.................................

    Obama has said in the past that financial companies that have accepted federal bailout money should limit bonus pay, and Gibbs said Thursday said the administration is studying what it can legally do on the topic.

    "Whether it's government or the financial system, we're not going to be able to do what is needed to be done to stabilize our financial system if the American people read about this type of outrageous behavior," the presidential spokesman told reporters. "I think it was the sixth-largest year of bonuses, and I don't think anybody that's opened their 401(k) statement has found out that this was the sixth best year for Wall Street."

    Obama met on Wednesday with several corporate chief executives, many of whom have received generous pay packages. Two executives introduced Obama at a White House event, designed to lobby for swift passage of an economic stimulus bill now in Congress.
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    MORE PORK...............HERE PIGGY PIGGY.............

    Items in the House bill that have a Republican bull's-eye on them include:


    $335 million for education related to sexually transmitted diseases

    "We have yet to hear any reasonable rationale for how this creates any jobs in the private sector," Paige tod "GMA."

    $650 million for coupons to help people make the switch to digital TV

    $50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts

    $150 million for the Smithsonian Institution

    $50 million for the National Cemetery Administration's monument and memorial repairs

    $800 million for Amtrak, the country's railroad system

    $2 billion for child-care subsidies

    $400 million for global warming research

    $100 million for reducing the danger of lead paint in homes

    $2.4 billion for carbon-capture demonstration projects

    $50 million for NASA facilities that may have been harmed by natural disaster

    $200 million for the U.S. Geological Survey to monitor earthquakes and volcanoes

    $650 million for the U.S. Forest Service to remove fish passage barriers, forest improvement and watershed enhancement projects

    $1.5 million for a National Institute of Health/Institute of Medicine report to Congress

    $400 million for the Social Security Administration's new National Computer Center

    $325 million for Academic Achievement Awards

    In the Senate version, there are additional servings of what conservatives term pork that won't generate new jobs, including:


    $70 million for programs to help people quit smoking

    $75 million for a super-computer for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
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    Re: The $825B Economic Stimulus Package

    Well... 'Um, well ... er ... um ... stimulus ... um ... prevention. You know...'glad she cleared that up..



    Twit...

    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Re: The $825B Economic Stimulus Package

    A Bleak Day

    By Ben Stein on 1.29.09 @ 9:31AM



    I love this. The new kind of politics of hope. Eight hours of debate in the HR to pass a bill spending $820 billion, or roughly $102 billion per hour of debate.



    Only ten per cent of the "stimulus" to be spent on 2009.
    Close to half goes to entities that sponsor or employ or both members of the Service Employees International Union, federal, state, and municipal employee unions, or other Democrat-controlled unions.


    This bill is sent to Congress after Obama has been in office for seven days. It is 680 pages long. According to my calculations, not one member of Congress read the entire bill before this vote. Obviously, it would have been impossible, given his schedule, for President Obama to have read the entire bill.



    For the amount spent we could have given every unemployed person in the United States roughly $75,000.



    We could give every person who had lost a job and is now passing through long-term unemployment of six months or longer roughly $300,000.



    There has been pork barrel politics since there has been politics. The scale of this pork is beyond what had ever been imagined before -- and no one can be sure it will actually do much stimulation.



    Further, no one can be sure that we are not already at the trough/inflection point of the recession such that this money will be spent mostly after the recovery is well under way.
    How long until the debt incurred under this program is so immense that it causes a downgrade in the sovereign debt of the USA? What happens to us then?



    This has been a punch in the solar plexus to the kind of responsible, far-seeing, mature government processes that are needed to protect America. This is more than the pork barrel. This is a coup for the constituencies of the party in power and against the idea of a responsible government itself. A bleak day.


    Unfortunately, it is only the latest in a long series of such days stretching across decades of rule by both parties, to the point where truly responsible government is only a distant echo of our forgotten ancestors.

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    Re: The $825B Economic Stimulus Package

    We mentioned the "Buy American" demand in some of the Stimulus plan provisions.

    http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/29/news...ion=2009012918

    Add this to our list of questions/complaints

    http://www.heritage.org/Research/Labor/wm2253.cfm
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal View Post
    We mentioned the "Buy American" demand in some of the Stimulus plan provisions.

    http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/29/news...ion=2009012918

    Add this to our list of questions/complaints

    http://www.heritage.org/Research/Labor/wm2253.cfm
    Actually, there are things I like about the intent of these measures while the implementation needs work.

    The first complaint invites our slave-labor trade partners to further reduce our economy while further stuffing our fat cats and the second complaint once again buries our illegal immigration issue for much the same reasons.

    First, I DO agree that federal NON-DEFENSE/SECURITY work should give preference to American industry. Foreign consideration should be given to the products not available here and that competition would be solely with FAIR-trade partners who have no association with SLAVE-trade countries to achieve competitive pricing. This accomplishes two things: It invests more American taxpayer dollars in America and leverages our trade partners to move away from what should be trade restricted countries. Yes, it will cost more, but we have got to get out of countries that do not pay more than lip service back to their people and us...until they do.

    Secondly, we have to secure what I call "our South side", and a way of doing that is to throttle illegal immigration at its root- the greedy b*stards who are capitalizing from it. Not having some form of wage control allows owners to encourage more illegal workers to cross the border so they can profit off the labor margins. Yes that will cost us more but, dang it, do you want to finally start breaking this tide that is/can be bringing illegal imports/terrorists in solely for the purpose of someone's margin...someone who is going to charge American rates anyhow?

    If there is one area of capitalism that needs to be addressed is its greed-driven obsession with slave labor. If you want well motivated, hard warking, decent people from Mexico to work for you, cut them green cards at the border and pay them fair wages and benefits.
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