Obama's CAFE Standards

[Dutchcedar]

35.5 mpg as a fleet average by 2016.

from Keith Hennessey:

- The average fuel economy standard will be 35.5 mpg in 2016. That’s a weighted average of all cars and light trucks sold in the U.S.

- Assuming that the Wall Street Journal’s reporting is accurate, they would require cars to hit 39 mpg by 2016, and light trucks to hit 30 mpg by 2016.

Here's an overview.

This sounds eerily familiar to what Gerald Ford started and what Jimmy Carter ramped up... back in the day. It was a mess back then.

39 mpg Cadillacs? I think they'll join Pontiac.

[otoc]

Seems to me Carter didn't have all the car makers standing behind him in agreement as Obama did. Big diference.

[mostholycerebus]

Nail in the coffin for domestics, and gonna put a hurtin on others. Whether they deserve it or not is another debate. CAFE standards are why trucks are the most expensive vehicles on the road now.

[bk94si]

Last time they did they, it drove everyone to SUVs. This time maybe high powered enclosed motorcycles? More unintended consequences and more crappy cars from Detroit, oops sorry China. I remember cars from the 70's still.

[Dutchcedar]

Seems to me Carter didn't have all the car makers standing behind him in agreement as Obama did. Big diference.

How so?

[otoc]

In Carter's time the car makers fought any guidelines regarding consumption and that battle continued up until the end of the last administration in terms of emissions. In the case of the signing of this bill they stood behind it.

[Dutchcedar]

In Carter's time the car makers fought any guidelines regarding consumption and that battle continued up until the end of the last administration in terms of emissions. In the case of the signing of this bill they stood behind it.

I don't see how that makes a big difference in CAFE standards. Maybe you could explain.

In other words, their agreement doesn't make the standards any less expensive or any more safe. What difference does it make?

[otoc]

35.5 mpg as a fleet average by 2016.Here's an overview.

This sounds eerily familiar to what Gerald Ford started and what Jimmy Carter ramped up... back in the day. •It was a mess back then.

39 mpg Cadillacs? •I think they'll join Pontiac.

I don't see how that makes a big difference in CAFE standards. •Maybe you could explain.

In other words, their agreement doesn't make the standards any less expensive or any more safe. •What difference does it make?

Seemed pretty simple to me. I was responding to your point of comparing previous adminstrations to Obama. Never have the manufacturers backed an adminstration with setting standards. If you feel you know what the outcome will be in future years so be it. I'm not good enough to make such a prediction. Until then I'll post this comment from the official website of the manufacturers association...
http://www.autoalliance.org/index.cf...B0DA0B7783C956

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For Immediate Release
May 18, 2009

AUTOMAKERS SUPPORT PRESIDENT IN DEVELOPMENT OF NATIONAL PROGRAM FOR AUTOS
Washington, DC - On Tuesday, May 19, automakers will join with President Obama, federal agencies, governors and environmental leaders to announce a commitment to establish a National Program that will reduce carbon emissions and increase fuel economy.

"For seven long years, there has been a debate over whether states or the federal government should regulate autos. President Obama’s announcement ends that old debate by starting a federal rulemaking to set a National Program," said Dave McCurdy, president and CEO, Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers. "Automakers are committed to working with the President to develop a National Program administered by the federal government."

"What’s significant about the announcement is it launches a new beginning, an era of cooperation. The President has succeeded in bringing three regulatory bodies, 15 states, a dozen automakers and many environmental groups to the table," said McCurdy. "We’re all agreeing to work together on a National Program."

A National Program is a priority to automakers because a national fuel economy program allows manufacturers to average sales nationwide, so customers in all 50 states can continue to buy the types of vehicles they need for family, business and leisure. A National Program also avoids conflicting standards from different regulatory agencies, and it gives automakers much needed certainty for long-term product planning. In addition, a National Program delivers overall greenhouse gas reductions equal to or better than those that would be realized under separate programs by different regulatory bodies.

EPA and NHTSA intend to initiate a joint rulemaking that reflects a coordinated and harmonized approach to implementing the Clean Air Act and the Energy Policy and Conservation Act. The rulemaking is expected to include several elements important to automakers, including:

Preserving Vehicle Diversity: Harmonized NHTSA and EPA standards would be attribute-based, or based on a vehicle’s "footprint." This approach allows for a range of sizes of vehicles to meet consumer needs for passenger and cargo room.
Providing Certainty for Long-term Planning: Automakers would know what standards will be through 2016, which is critical in an industry where bringing a product to market typically takes 5-7 years. The National Program is intended to give automakers sufficient lead-time to incorporate technology as part of existing vehicle design schedules, so manufacturers would not have to incur added costs from redesigning all their models at one time.
Providing Flexibility in Achieving CO2-Reduction Goals: EPA and NHTSA would consider a range of compliance flexibility measures, such as earned credits, credit trading, air conditioning credits, and credits for using additional technologies that reduce carbon dioxide (CO2).
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"The debate over who sets CO2 and fuel economy standards for autos has been decided, but there is still more to talk about. We have the broad outlines of an agreement, but we will need to work closely with NHTSA, EPA and California in the rulemaking process to resolve multiple issues, trying to fit all the elements together into one program. There is a strong commitment from everyone to move past any hurdles that may arise as we work through differences in the way these two federal agencies set standards," said McCurdy.

"We want to finalize a national program so we can move on to policy discussions on what the future of sustainable mobility looks like and how we can get there faster," said McCurdy. "Alliance members are supporting measures that reduce carbon dioxide even more, like low carbon fuels, advancements in battery technology and consumer incentives to get more advanced technology autos on our roads."

Autos represent 17% of all man-made CO2 in the U.S, according to EPA. Carbon dioxide is created when any fossil fuel burns, whether it is a car burning gasoline or a backyard grill burning charcoal. Therefore, to reduce CO2, automobiles will need to burn less fuel. That means automakers will need to sell fuel-efficient technologies that will produce less CO2.

"All industries will be called upon to reduce carbon emissions," said McCurdy. "Automakers play an important role. Today, there are more than 50 auto technologies on sale that reduce emissions, increase mileage and run on clean fuels." Automakers are selling 130 models of automobiles that achieve 30 mpg or greater on the highway. Consumers can now test drive 35 models of hybrids or clean diesel in dealer showrooms. More technology is on its way to market.

"We will need to use every engineer we have and every investment dollar available to make our vision of sustainable mobility a reality. And, we are going to need Americans to buy our clean, fuel-efficient autos in large numbers in order to meet this climate change commitment," said McCurdy.

The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers is a trade association of 11 car and light truck manufacturers including BMW Group, Chrysler, Ford Motor Company, General Motors, Jaguar Land Rover, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz, Mitsubishi Motors, Porsche, Toyota and Volkswagen. For more information, visit the Alliance website at www.autoalliance.org.

Historical Information

In 1975, the U.S. Congress assigned responsibility for setting automobile mileage standards to the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA), which is housed within the U.S. Department of Transportation.

In 2002, the State of California passed AB 1493, legislation which regulated auto carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions and fuel economy.

In 2004, the State of California finalized carbon dioxide regulations for automobiles. Automakers challenged the state action in federal court, saying only the federal government can set mileage standards to ensure a consistent fuel economy program across the country.

In April 2007, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) should review possible dangers from CO2 emissions.

In December 2007, automakers supported Congress passing the Energy Independence and Security Act requiring automakers to increase fuel economy by at least 40% to 35 mpg -- thereby reducing CO2 by at least 30% -- by 2020.

In 2008, the Bush Administration denied California’s request for a waiver from the federal Clean Air Act to implement its own CO2 program.

In January 2009, President Obama directed EPA to review the waiver decision.

In March, NHTSA raised Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards for cars in model year 2011 to 30.2 mpg, and a combined standard for cars and light trucks (minivans, SUVs, pickups) to 27.3 mpg. (The standard is based on what consumers purchase. That is, the standard represents the average mileage achieved by all vehicles sold by a manufacturer.)

In April, EPA issued a proposed finding that CO2 poses a danger to health and welfare, opening the door to federal regulation of CO2 from all sources. The U.S. House of Representatives also began hearings on climate change legislation during April.

If you need additional information, please contact us at (202) 326-5500.

[Dutchcedar]

If you feel you know what the outcome will be in future years so be it.

I don't and never claimed to.

To be clear.

[otoc]

35.5 mpg as a fleet average by 2016.Here's an overview.

This sounds eerily familiar to what Gerald Ford started and what Jimmy Carter ramped up... back in the day. It was a mess back then.

39 mpg Cadillacs? I think they'll join Pontiac.

I don't and never claimed to.

To be clear.

My apologies. I took the first quote as a prediction and this thread as a vote of no confidence in what Obama signed based on the link you used.

[Dutchcedar]

My apologies. I took the first quote as a prediction and this thread as a vote of no confidence in what Obama signed based on the link you used.

Try reading the words for what they say and not some other convoluted twist from your own mind. Clearly, after rethinking this, you still came up with a wrong conclusion.

What may be confusing you is the difference between knowing the future and thinking about what might happen in the future. Expectations of similar results coming from similar actions are not an unusual thing and that's why its logical to look back. That said, it doesn't rise to knowledge of the future and that was never claimed, even though you read it that way.

[otoc]

Try reading the words for what they say and not some other convoluted twist from your own mind. Clearly, after rethinking this, you still came up with a wrong conclusion.

What may be confusing you is the difference between knowing the future and thinking about what might happen in the future. Expectations of similar results coming from similar actions are not an unusual thing and that's why its logical to look back. That said, it doesn't rise to knowledge of the future and that was never claimed, even though you read it that way.

Fine dutch. I retract my apology and look forward to seeing if your thoughts of the future become true.