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  1. #16
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    Re: Let's talk California

    Moving won't do any good if Bamma follows the CA model on a national level. There will simply be nowhere to hide.

    **Added**

    California contemplates ultimate reform - no welfare

    Could California become the first state in the nation to do away with welfare?

    That doomsday scenario is on the table as lawmakers wrestle with a staggering $24.3 billion budget deficit.

    County welfare directors are "in shock" at the very idea of getting rid of CalWORKs, which has been widely viewed as one of the most successful social programs in the state's history, said Bruce Wagstaff, director of the Department of Human Assistance in Sacramento.

    "It's difficult to come up with the right adjective to react to this," Wagstaff said. "It would be devastating to the people we serve."

    H.D. Palmer, a spokesman for the state Department of Finance, said California is in an unprecedented fiscal situation that has made all programs, from education to human services, vulnerable to deep and painful reductions.

    "I don't wish for a moment to minimize the profound impact" that eliminating CalWORKs would have, Palmer said. "But the easy decisions are way past being in the rearview mirror for us. We face the specter of California not having cash on hand to pay its bills in July."

    Wagstaff and other administrators are betting that the state will rescue the "welfare to work" program. But they are bracing for cuts that would slash benefits to the lowest levels since the late 1990s, when CalWORKs began as part of the federal government's bold reform of the welfare system.
    Last edited by AMDScooter; 06-08-2009 at 09:41 PM.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: Let's talk California

    Arnold Schwarzenegger issues total recall of California's textbooks

    (Matthew Cavanaugh/EPA)

    Californian schoolkids have been told to throw away their textbooks to help the state avoid bankruptcy.

    But they won't need total recall: they're going digital instead.

    The textbooks have been terminated by Arnold Schwarzenegger, the bodybuilding state governor who says they are "outdated" and too expensive.

    Mr Schwarzenegger announced the ban on textbooks in a classroom in Sacramento, holding up four large text books and joking: "I can use these for the (bicep) curls."
    A stupid idea.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6460962.ece

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    Re: Let's talk California

    This from a city that just recently approved giving drivers licenses to the illegals whom are draining our states social services.

    Oakland Approves ID Cards For Illegal Immigrants

    Many of the city’s 400,000 residents showed their support at the City Council meeting in which the bill was approved by proudly displaying signs reading “No Human Being is Illegal” and “ID cards for all Oaklanders.” Now city officials must devise a plan on how to implement and pay for the program which is sure to carry a hefty price tag.
    Glad you jackasses were spending time on important matters like how to spend money you don't have..

    Budget woes have Oakland mulling bankruptcy

    Even though city officials would prefer to avoid a public conversation, behind closed doors the Oakland City Council has discussed filing for bankruptcy protection in the midst of a $100 million budget deficit.

    "We have asked the (bankruptcy) question because we wanted to know the impact," said District 5 council member Ignacio De La Fuente. "In closed session, the question has been asked, and an answer was given." He would not elaborate.

    "It's a possibility," he acknowledged. "Things are that bad."

    Council President Jane Brunner was equally aloof. She ably acknowledged the city's dire financial problem while managing to avoid the b-word altogether.

    "We're going to try to avoid it, but am I going to say it would never happen? I can't say that," Brunner said.

    Consider the city's cash position: Out of next year's general fund of approximately $415 million, police costs are estimated at $212 million, fire protection service $103 million and $41 million in debt service payments. That leaves about $60 million to pay for everything else, from library services to recreation centers to public works.

    And that calculation doesn't include $50 million more in deferred debt service in a budget proposal presented to the council last month by Mayor Ron Dellums.

    "We are in the worst recession since 1981," said UC Berkeley Professor John Ellwood, an economist who worked in the Congressional Budget Office. "This recession is a bit different in that it's being driven by the housing bubble, but as more and more people ask for property-tax reassessments, it's going to leave a huge funding gap for cities," Ellwood said.

    It's already begun. Alameda County Assessor Ron Thomsen said tax assessments fell $13.6 billion in the fiscal year that will end June 30. "Our assessment roll will go down 2 percent, and we've never had a year-to-year drop ever in stats going back to 1958," he said.

    Like a rock rolling downhill, those reduced property-tax revenues will be passed onto cities by a state government facing its own economic calamity created by a mammoth $24 billion budget shortfall.

    That will leave Oakland, which receives about 15 percent of the county's annual property-tax revenues, in an even deeper hole. And with half of 2009 already in the rear view, the estimates on next year's property tax revenues are even lower, Thomsen added.

    For the City Council, which is expected to present more budget options next week, it is the end of the line.

    It is faced with three choices: drastic pay reductions across the board, including police and fire services; massive layoffs; or bankruptcy.

    It has been a great run for municipal employees in Oakland and across the state, who have been the beneficiaries of one of the most generous civil service systems in the nation.

    Since the late 1940s, California municipal governments traditionally have employed fewer employees, who have been paid substantially more than other civil servants, Ellwood said.

    Add to the economic mix the union labor contracts in Oakland, which have provided city employees with high wages, good benefits and generous pension plans, and the problem is clear.

    Barring a substantial cash transfusion in federal aid, the Oakland Police Department will lose close to 200 officers next fall unless Dellums, who's in Washington, D.C., this week, succeeds in securing more than $60 million over the next three years.

    A federal grant in any amount would help maintain the minimum requirement of 739 sworn officers.

    Any Oakland resident will gladly tell you that the possible loss of 200 police officers on the streets of this city is a bone-chilling thought.

    If Dellums was ever serious about his plan to bankroll the city with his clout on Capitol Hill and in foundation board rooms, now would be the time to call in all his markers.

    Because in the absence of a federal bailout package, De La Fuente said no formula for success would be achieved without making cuts to the Police and Fire departments.

    If the city adopts Dellums' budget recommendation and lays off 140 police officers, it would dip below the minimum requirement of 739 officers and would trigger the loss of bond-measure funds that pays the salaries of an additional 63 police officers. Adding further woes to the budget, the police officers have negotiated a 4 percent pay raise scheduled to kick in July 1.

    Given the city's economic limits, De La Fuente said the city can't honor the pay raise and maintain the force at its current size.

    "We're required to give them the (salary) increase, but it will require us to do other things within the budget to achieve the savings we need," he said.

    Chip Johnson's column appears on Tuesdays and Fridays. E-mail him at chjohnson@sfchronicle.com.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: Let's talk California

    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    This from a city that just recently approved giving drivers licenses to the illegals whom are draining our states social services.

    Oakland Approves ID Cards For Illegal Immigrants
    From the comments section of the above link...

    No way to let ID cards to Illegal Immigration Wed, 06/03/2009 - 20:23 ó Phil

    I think it would be WRONG idea because they did not US Citizens and not pay TAXES. They sneaked USA and broke Law and not right to give them ID Cards because they MUST learn ENGLISH because they cannot read our words on the sign posts. Also Illegal Immigration would not afford to pay any Insurances ... if if they hit cars then people will SUE Illegal Immigrations but if they do not have any insuance come first before start drive. I think it would not fair. They MUST pay to be citizen then know everything. Because they could be cheated and Crazy. I am VERY disappointed with Oakland. WHY do they (Oakland) do them! I am very against Illegal Immigration. They who sneak USA and broke laws and not pay Taxes and I paid taxes to cover to all Illegal Immigration mothers who give Anchor babies. DISGUSTFUL and shameful.


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    Re: Let's talk California

    ^ Sounds like an Asian who went the legal route to immigration.


    Or somebody goofing off.
    Nuke em'.

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    Re: Let's talk California

    Quote Originally Posted by Nate View Post
    Or somebody goofing off.
    More likely... it's almost purposefully bad.

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    Re: Let's talk California

    Anything but what's really needed:

    Arnold Schwarzenegger to sell off San Quentin to ease budget crisis

    Mike Harvey in San Francisco

    Arnold Schwarzenegger is planning to sell San Quentin prison and the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum in an attempt to raise money to ease California's huge budget crisis.

    The 157-year-old prison, which houses more than 5,000 inmates - including more than 600 on death row - sits on prime real estate overlooking San Francisco Bay and is surrounded by some of the most expensive properties in the state. The Coliseum is the only stadium in the world to host the Olympic Games twice, in 1932 and 1984, and has been declared a historic national landmark.
    And some appropriate musical accompaniment from Johnny Cash:



    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6289694.ece

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    Re: Let's talk California

    Thanks for all these great posts guys... sorry i dont have enough time to chime in ...
    Im too busy trying to keep my business from going under....
    scott
    LOTS of Koolance water cooling hardware/cases/coolers/ for sale cheap. PM if interested.


  9. #24
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    Re: Let's talk California

    We've got 50 days!! Not to worry.. the liberal legislature (yes.. that means you too Arnie) will surrender our state to the fed long before that happens. Pretty soon the unions will own CA just like they do GM. Oh.. and good luck selling those RANs & RAWs with the FED sucking up any and all available investment $$.

    California nears financial "meltdown" as revs tumble

    SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California's government risks a financial "meltdown" within 50 days in light of its weakening May revenues unless Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and lawmakers quickly plug a $24.3 billion budget gap, the state's controller said on Wednesday.

    Underscoring the severity of California's cash crisis, Controller John Chiang, who has previously warned the state's government risks running out of cash without a budget deal, said revenues in May fell by $1.14 billon, or 17.7 percent, from a year earlier.

    Additionally, the revenues of the government of the most populous U.S. state fell short of estimates in Schwarzenegger's budget plan by $827 million, Chiang said.

    He warned California's state government is speeding toward a financial disaster unless officials act urgently to balance its books.

    "Without immediate solutions from the governor and legislature, we are less than 50 days away from a meltdown of state government," Chiang said in a statement.

    California's revenues have been on a dramatic slide as a result of recession, rising unemployment and its lengthy housing downturn.

    The state's revenues from personal income taxes tumbled by 39.3 percent in May from a year earlier while revenues from corporate taxes fell by 52.1 percent and revenues from sales taxes sagged by 7.6 percent, according to a report released by Chiang's office.

    "A truly balanced budget is the only responsible way out of the worst cash crisis since the Great Depression," Chiang, a Democrat, said.

    DUELING BUDGET CONCEPTS

    Schwarzenegger, a Republican, has proposed filling the state's budget gap with deep spending cuts, borrowing from local governments and by scrapping some state programs, including its welfare program.

    Democrats who control the legislature are crafting a rival budget plan that includes spending cuts and saves programs Schwarzenegger has proposed eliminating. They instead would use reserves estimated in his budget to narrow the budget gap.

    State Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg said on Tuesday he wants a budget agreement by the end of this month.

    California's new fiscal year begins on July 1. The sooner the state has a budget the better poised it will be to raise short-term cash to fund its operations by selling revenue anticipation notes, or RANs, on the municipal debt market.

    If pressed, California could sell revenue anticipation warrants, or RAWs, an idea floated by Schwarzenegger when he unveiled his budget plan last month. But he quickly shelved it amid opposition from lawmakers.

    "No one wants to issue RAWs for our cash-flow borrowing," said Tom Dresslar, a spokesman for State Treasurer Bill Lockyer. "Everyone would prefer to issue RANs for the obvious reason: It costs less."

    Lockyer, a Democrat, supports a budget with the reserve Schwarzenegger has proposed. That would increase confidence among investors that California has cash to pay the $7 billion to $9 billion in short-term debt notes that Lockyer's office assumes the state will need to sell, Dresslar said.
    You don't think that blue boldfaced bit has anything to do with CA having among the highest corporate taxes do ya? Why.. it's almost like if you tax the f*ck out of businesses.. they go elsewhere to do business.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: Let's talk California

    California should just sell Hollywood to the Chinese. "Miss Jolie...meet your new boss."


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    Re: Let's talk California

    Where would our country be without illegals?
    Oh yea... the Indians would still be fighting Mexicans instead of running Casinos.

    Pfft.

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    Re: Let's talk California

    The liberals in ca. are doing their best to destroy ca.
    They doing an excellent job of turning a once prosperous state, into some impoverous nation.

    They have run it into the ground shouting we need higher taxs on the rich, higher taxs on business.

    But the good news is the liberals believe in being fair, so they going turn the rest of america into same kinda of $hit ca. is in.

    So that we can all be in same the crappy shape. This is called - HOPE AND CHANGE - LIBERAL style.

    I predict the next liberal plan of attack will be to conficate all rich peoples money, not taxs but actual taking of their money. In the guise of fairness to all.
    Dr. Seuss for 2011:I do not like this Uncle Sam, I do not like his health care scam. I do not like these dirty crooks, or how they lie and cook the books. I do not like when Congress steals, I do not like their secret deals. I do not like ex-speaker Nan, I do not like this 'YES WE CAN'..I do not like this spending spree, I'm smart, I know that nothing's free. I do not like their smug replies, when I complain about their lies. I do not like this kind of hope. I do not like it. Nope, nope, nope!

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    Re: Let's talk California

    ^^^ The problem is the liberals idea of "rich" seems to be anyone with money to take. Just have a look at how Bamma hosed the secure bondholders in favor of his UAW pals. Expect to see lots more of that. In my hometown we had a meeting about budget cutbacks and the very real idea that the gubbenator and CA legislature is planning ton dipping into the city's coffers. Lets just say the SEIU was well represented and did not give an inch. Everyone else is expected to "share" the pain to protect their jobs.




    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: Let's talk California

    ^^^ Its not hard to notice that the toughest people to get to give something up are the ones that took it from someone else in the first place.

    Throw the freeloaders off the train.

    I know, that'll never happen.

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    Re: Let's talk California

    Check this email I got today from Chairman John Burton, California Democratic Party.

    Dear xxxx,

    Severe doesn't even begin to describe the cuts in the governorís latest proposed state budget.

    In a time when more and more people are struggling, these severe budget cuts would hurt millions of Californians by:

    Stripping health insurance from two million Californians;
    Ending the welfare-to-work program that helps one million women and children;
    Closing more than 200 state parks; and
    Axing billions of dollars from public school classrooms.
    The grim list goes on.

    As Democrats, we stand for protecting Californiaís safety net. We must do everything possible to minimize the cuts and the harm they will inflict on the most vulnerable among us.

    Where is the shared sacrifice in a budget that is nearly two-thirds cuts? Where is the justice in a budget that hurts the poor, the young and the elderly but asks nothing of big corporations and the wealthy? Where is the logic in a budget that will stunt Californiaís economic recovery?

    We must Protect All Californians, Stop the Severe Cuts and Support a Balanced Solution that includes revenue increases.

    Thatís why Iím asking you to take a few minutes and write a short letter to the editor of your local paper. Tell the editor that Californiaís budget must reflect our values of protecting the vulnerable and minimizing the harm they will suffer. And the budget must be a balanced solution that asks the wealthy and corporate interests to pay their fair share.

    The California Democratic Party has set up a web page that makes it easy to write a letter to the editor about the budget. Just go to www.cadem.org/budget. We have sample letters, talking points, and some pointers to help you get started.

    The California Democratic Party is committed to addressing the underlying structural problems in our budgeting process. But right now, we also need to make our voices heard about the state services we all depend upon and the need for a balanced budget solution that includes new revenue.

    Make no mistake: We may win this fight, we may lose this fight, but we will make this fight.

    If you agree, please take a few minutes to speak up about these unconscionable cuts. We have made it easy for you to do so. Just click here.

    Peace and friendship,



    John

    P.S. In last monthís special election, California voters sent the message that they want lawmakers and the governor to work together toward a budget that realistically looks at the services we all need and how to pay for them. We didnít vote for cuts that hurt all Californians.

    Please take a minute to write a short letter to the editor.
    Gimme a minute to wipe the tears away... I especially love that last P.S. bit where this twit tells us why we told them to take their tax hikes and f*ck off. The loons are definitely running the funny farm..
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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