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  1. #61
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    Re: Let's talk California

    I think Arnie and the State Legislature are in a state of shock they can’t believe their spending spree is over. I guess spending money that belongs to somebody else must be a very addicting habit. There’s nothing more pathetic than a bunch of socialists with no more tax money to spend.


    What a bunch of worthless a$$holes…

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    Re: Let's talk California

    Those of you Californians with kids - your taxes just went up.
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BUN418BJU3.DTL
    Brian

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    Re: Let's talk California

    ^^^ The politicians in Sacramento are acting as if the voters didn't vote for "no new taxes".

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    Re: Let's talk California

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    ^^^ The politicians in Sacramento are acting as if the voters didn't vote for "no new taxes".
    Before then, the credit was the same for adults and dependents. But in 1998, when the state was awash in cash, it roughly tripled the amount for dependents.

    In 2008, the exemption was $99 for each adult and $309 per dependent.

    Now that the state is swimming in red ink, it decided to take away that gift to families and set the dependent credit equal to the adult amount for 2009 and 2010. So the dependent credit will shrink from $309 to roughly $99. (The credit is indexed for inflation; the final amount for 2009 will be announced later this summer.)
    No new tax. They are just taking away their "gift" to you.
    Brian

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    Re: Let's talk California

    Quote Originally Posted by bk94si View Post
    No new tax. They are just taking away their "gift" to you.
    Is this one of those $200 gifts they give you so you won't miss the $2000 they're taking away?

    Oh well. At least you'll "feel" better about it ....
    "We say in our platform that we believe that the right to coin money and issue money is a function of government....

    Those who are opposed to this proposition tell us that the issue of paper money is a function of the bank and that the government ought to go out of the banking business. I stand with Jefferson rather than with them, and tell them, as he did, that the issue of money is a function of the government and that the banks should go out of the governing business."

    William Jennings Bryan.

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    Re: Let's talk California

    Quote Originally Posted by bk94si View Post
    No new tax. They are just taking away their "gift" to you.
    I detect a bit of sarcasm...

    And fully expect our most esteemed Obama to pick up on the "gift" idea in the federal arena. Its simply too clever to pass up on.

    Jus' puttin' lipstick on a pig.

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    Re: Let's talk California

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    I detect a bit of sarcasm...

    And fully expect our most esteemed Obama to pick up on the "gift" idea in the federal arena. Its simply too clever to pass up on.

    Jus' puttin' lipstick on a pig.
    Making money the liberal way. They promise to give you back some of your tax money (minus the taxes of course) then renig on the promise. Wallah.. they just "made" money.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: Let's talk California

    Whats this.. union pensions unsustainable?? Turns out their claims are full of sh*T?? Whocouldaseenthatcoming...???

    Dan Walters: Pension hike of a decade ago backfires

    A milestone on California's meandering journey toward fiscal insolvency occurred exactly a decade ago when the Legislature enacted a massive increase in state employee pensions on the expedient assumption that it would cost taxpayers nothing.

    Although the new pensions would generate almost countless billions of dollars in extra income for retirees in the years ahead, the CalPERS board, dominated by union representatives, told legislators that taxpayers wouldn't have to bear the load because investment income, which was flowing into the pension trust fund from high-tech stocks, would continue indefinitely.

    "They (CalPERS) anticipate that the state's contribution to CalPERS will remain below the 1998-99 fiscal year for at least the next decade," said a final Senate analysis of the 1999 legislation that expanded state pensions, allowing Highway Patrol officers, prison guards and other "safety" workers in some cases to get more than 100 percent of their salaries.

    Wrong.

    Within a few years, the dot-com bubble had burst, CalPERS had suffered major losses and the state's burden for pensions had pushed into the multibillion-dollar range, not counting the heavy impact on local governments that had cavalierly followed the state's lead on boosting pension benefits.

    The situation was ripe for a backlash, such as an initiative measure that would rein in public pensions, but union-controlled CalPERS lowered the political heat by offering employers a "smoothing" policy that would protect them against immediate jolts, spreading out the increases over a number of years.

    By and by, the economy improved, albeit through an unsustainable explosion in real estate development, and the pension issue dropped from the political radar screen. But now we're mired in the worst recession since the Great Depression, CalPERS' investments have dropped by nearly a third and the state is paying more than $3 billion a year into the pension fund, nearly 10 times what it paid a decade ago when CalPERS made its bogus assertion to lawmakers.

    CalPERS is poised to hit the state for nearly another billion dollars a year in 2010-11 to cover its investment losses and the payout to baby boomer retirees who are enjoying the enhanced benefits enacted a decade ago, but is offering state and local governments another, more aggressive "smoothing" scheme to sharply reduce the immediate hit and spread out the investment losses over many years.

    Last week, its board adopted the plan for local governments but after Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger criticized it, postponed any action on the state's contribution. "By deferring pension contributions, CalPERS would not only be gambling that its investment earnings in this economy will grow faster than its pension obligations but would also be using our kids' money to do so because they will be the ones stuck footing the bill," said Schwarzenegger, who wants to overhaul pensions and medical care for retirees.

    Here we go again.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: Let's talk California

    By God, here we go..I make less than a 1,000 a month after taxes
    driving kids back and forth to school. They'll drive ya nuts. Especially
    out here in the San Bernardino. yet I managed to pay my bills
    and save enough to do something once in a while. Not much,
    but something and I still managed to put money in the back.

    If I can do it by going without a lot things I wish I could have,
    why can't this state and it's legislators suck it up and do the
    same ? By the way, do folks who live here in Ca and pay
    seriously for things know that these same two bit soap box
    characters called legislators get a free ride when it comes to
    cars, gas and eats ? Before I get nailed, I want a disclosure
    on just how much money is wasted !

    Just how many other perks or pork if ya will, are included..

    Screw em. Suck it up and make it work ON A FRIGGIN
    BUDGET that we can live with.

    What the hell happened to fiscal responsibility ?

    I'm not paying these SOB's or this state any more out of my
    check that's needs be.

    Screw em, double time ! >

    http://www.sbsun.com/ci_12691112?source=rss
    Republicans and Democrats in the state Assembly voted together on three budget revisions aimed at preventing the state from overdrawing its bank accounts, but the bipartisanship didn't last and Republicans in the Senate knocked the bills down.

    Assembly Republicans said they voted for the bills because they were a necessary first step in closing the state's budget gap. Senate Republicans, echoing Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, said they want to fix the budget in one fell swoop.

    "I don't really care what they did over in the other house," Sen. Bob Dutton, R-Rancho Cucamonga, said the Senate floor before Thursday's vote. "This doesn't get it done."

    Without support from the Senate Republicans for Thursday's measures, the legislature has just five days to close the state's $24.3 billion budget gap before the state controller's office begins paying the state's bills with IOUs.

    "We're throwing the state of California a life preserver and (Senate Republicans) are saying, 'I want something that's better than that,"' said Sen. Gloria Negrete McLeod, D-Montclair. "I really can't fathom what they're thinking."

    The three bills required two-thirds votes in both houses of the legislature. The Assembly passed them with nearly unanimous support - the votes were 68-0, 73-2 and 58-3, with some members not voting on various measures - but the Senate versions fell short, getting 24, 23 and 21 votes. The bills would have needed 27 votes for approval in the 40-member Senate.

    The bills, which made cuts to the current fiscal year's budget and moved about $3 billion in savings into the 2009-10 fiscal year, cut funding for schools and allowed the state to transfer $350 million from local redevelopment agencies to local schools.

    That savings would have let State Controller John Chiang continue paying the state's bills with cash - instead of issuing IOUs - for another two months, said Assemblywoman Norma J. Torres, D-Ontario.

    "All it allows is more time for us to continue to work on solving the real problems here," she said. "We have to be able to stay afloat to continue."

    Local Republican lawmakers said they understood where their Senate counterparts were coming from, but still felt approving Thursday's bills were a good step.

    "This was important - we have to do these by June 30 or we can't do them," said Assemblyman Curt Hagman, R-Diamond Bar, who voted for two of the measures and abstained on the third. "We felt that to divide the two fiscal years would be the easiest thing to do. ... But I have sympathy for the Senate as well."

    Paul Cook, who also voted for two measures and abstained on the third, said he doesn't think the Senate Republicans' goal of a one-shot fix is feasible, especially with just less than a week until the beginning of the new fiscal year.

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    Re: Let's talk California

    By God, here we go..I make less than a 1,000 a month after taxes
    driving kids back and forth to school... ...these same two bit soap box
    characters called legislators get a free ride when it comes to
    cars, gas and eats ? Before I get nailed, I want a disclosure
    on just how much money is wasted !

    Just how many other perks or pork if ya will, are included..
    Don't mean to piss ya off no2, but could swear they just voted themselves a 7% raise (or got it automatically by not voting).

    Its a real ball buster trying to make sense out of these clowns. Their spending is up something like 40% since Arny showed up, yet the only things they talk about cutting seem to be the usual... police, fire, teachers.

    They don't get it.

    And the DC crowd is following the California model.

    Clueless.

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    Re: Let's talk California

    Socialists the world over only have one economic policy: throwing money at things. Got a problem? Catch these bundles of bank notes and go away. Bailouts, stimulus plans, you name it, it's their first instinct.

    Advanced concepts like managing things better, reducing bureaucracy, cutting useless crap, making do with less and actively trying to save taxpayers' money are an anathema to them.

    After all, doing that takes skill and ability, and well.. frankly, it's too much like hard work.

    Having said that, it's fair to say that most modern conservatives aren't much better in this last regard.

    So we're pretty much screwed either way.

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    According to this guy, it's Prop 13's fault Ca is in a mess. A plan that
    reigned in crazy property tax assessments and helped KEEP people
    in their homes, it now the bad guy ? I'm SO glad I voted for it back
    it 78.
    Oh..This is Howard's fault ?
    The financial crisis in California grew worse this week as State Controller John Chiang warned that if legislators and Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger fail to come up with a budget-balancing package, he would begin paying California's bills with IOUs on July 2. The last time the state did this was during the Great Depression.

    What has brought California to such a perilous state? How did its government become so wildly dysfunctional? One obvious cause is the deep recession that has caused tax revenues to plunge for all states. But California's woes have a set of deeper reasons: direct democracy run amok, timid governors, partisan gridlock and a flawed constitution all contribute to budget chaos and people in pain. And at the root of California's misery lies Proposition 13, the antitax measure that ignited the Reagan Revolution and the conservative era. In Washington, the Reagan-Bush era is over. But in California, the conservative legacy lives on. (Read TIME's report: Can the U.S. Afford to Let California Fail?)

    Before Prop 13, in the 1950s and '60s, California was a liberal showcase. Governors Earl Warren and Pat Brown responded to the population growth of the postwar boom with a massive program of public infrastructure - the nation's finest public college system, the freeway system and the state aqueduct that carries water from the well-watered north to the parched south. When Ronald Reagan was governor he actually raised taxes. Then Proposition 13 shot the tires out of Pat Brown's liberal state. Liberal legislative leaders such as Willie Brown and John Burton jerry-rigged repairs and kept the damaged vehicle running for 30 years. Now Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger says there is no choice but to complete the demolition by slashing essential services. (TIME's Joel Stein weighs in on California's state of insanity)

    Proposition 13 was the brainchild of the late Howard Jarvis. The antitax crusader was a policy genius not unlike Franklin D. Roosevelt. Both shared an affinity for designing deep structural change that, once embedded in the political system, is nearly impossible to alter without a massive change of heart by voters. Social Security is the lasting legacy of the New Deal era because F.D.R. understood that workers who contribute payroll-tax deductions from their paychecks would not want politicians tinkering with their retirement dollars. Conservatives have mounted assaults on Social Security through the years but to no avail.

    Jarvis created a similarly impregnable institution. When he rode the wave of anger over skyrocketing property-tax assessments to pass Proposition 13 in 1978, he included a two-thirds vote requirement for the passage of any new taxes in California - an insurmountable obstacle built on populist allergy to any kind of new levy. Beholden to a tax-averse electorate, the state's liberals and moderates have attempted to live with Proposition 13 while continuing to provide the state services Californians expect - freeways, higher education, locking up felons, assisting needy families and, very importantly, essential funding to local government and school districts that vanished after the antitax measure passed.
    Bull ! MAD spending while chasing small and large business out of the
    state through crazy ARB laws, permit fees, where one can build,
    and a myriad of other fees and regs, along with a very nice welfare
    program years back tempting people out of state to get on the
    roles, is what helped to get this state jacked up. Don't blame this
    on the Jarvis tax law, blame it on irresponsible people running the
    state.

    Check it out from further down off the article..
    "If not for the county [welfare program], lots of people would be out on the streets and I'd be one of them with my two kids," says Cinnamon McDaniel. Petite and well dressed, McDaniel is hardly the Reagan-stereotype welfare mom of yore. The 26-year-old African American mother of two was employed until a year ago when her doctor ordered her to stop working because of complications with her second pregnancy. A high school graduate and a preschool teacher's aide for six years, she is working toward a nursing degree. Following a divorce, she now receives a welfare check for $623 as well as food stamps and the state's health coverage for low-income families. "Last year I was able to work and pay my own bills. I'd like to see if Gov. Schwarzenegger could cut it on $600 a month."

    South of Los Angeles at California State University, Fullerton, Nicole Muth, 22, has just finished her junior year with straight A's. Muth grew up in Modesto with "lots of love but no money." Raised by her aunt and uncle, she receives a Cal Grant of $4,500 a year. "It definitely helps," says Muth, who credits the grant with allowing her to focus on her studies. As part of his proposed budget cuts, however, Schwarzenegger says Cal Grants should be phased out and that money promised to the incoming college class eliminated. "I appreciate the grant very much and I'm concerned about students coming after me not having the opportunities I've had," says Muth. "I'm really sad to see our state in this economic crisis. It's bewildering." Muth is not alone.

    The governor has addressed the need for shrinking the state, saying, "We have to go and make certain cuts in health care. We have to make certain cuts in education, in higher education, in all these various different programs, in prisons, law enforcement and so on." But Anthony Wright, executive director of Health Access California, a nonprofit advocacy group, says, "These are no longer cuts. These are amputations, and the question is, Which limb are we cutting off today?"
    I'm one of the fools paying for the above, but let ME try and get
    some food stamps, or state income..Good luck.



    Honestly, here's the guy who should be running Ca. He's a Congressman now, but I'd
    love to see up in Sac again in the driver's seat.

    http://mcclintock.house.gov
    From his site.
    # HR 1256 Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act
    House Chamber, Washington, D.C. June 12, 2009. M. Speaker: Many years ago, author and commentator Bruce Herschensohn made this point. He said, for every pleasure in life, there is a corresponding risk. I think that’s a universal truth: For every pleasure in life, there is a corresponding risk. And he pointed out that it’s true that with enough taxes, laws, restrictions, regulations, penalties and lectures, government can produce a virtually risk-free society. But it will also be one of the most colorless, pleasureless, tedious and miserable societies ever conceived by the mind of man.
    Amen !
    Last edited by no2guncntrl; 06-27-2009 at 08:53 PM.

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    I hate to disagree but Prop 13 was a bad deal. If you move into a new house right next door to an identical house but those owners have lived there for 30 years, you are going to be paying way more in taxes. That doesn't seem right or fair to me.

    Also business that almost never move will not have their property taxes go up either. So new businesses will have a competitive disadvantage when going up against an established business.
    Brian

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    Re: Let's talk California

    Quote Originally Posted by no2guncntrl View Post
    According to this guy, it's Prop 13's fault Ca is in a mess. A plan that
    reigned in crazy property tax assessments and helped KEEP people
    in their homes, it now the bad guy ? I'm SO glad I voted for it back
    it 78.
    Oh..This is Howard's fault ?

    Bull ! MAD spending while chasing small and large business out of the
    state through crazy ARB laws, permit fees, where one can build,
    and a myriad of other fees and regs, along with a very nice welfare
    program years back tempting people out of state to get on the
    roles, is what helped to get this state jacked up. Don't blame this
    on the Jarvis tax law, blame it on irresponsible people running the
    state.

    Check it out from further down off the article..

    I'm one of the fools paying for the above, but let ME try and get
    some food stamps, or state income..Good luck.



    Honestly, here's the guy who should be running Ca. He's a Congressman now, but I'd
    love to see up in Sac again in the driver's seat.

    http://mcclintock.house.gov
    From his site.

    Amen !


    Well of course its Prop 13 what else could it be?

    Prop 13 has been a thorn under the a$$ of every big spending liberal since the day it was passed. They’ve been trying to find a way around it since the very first day. Luckily so far they’ve failed in their efforts.

    Its typical liberal rhetoric and to be expected because the a$$holes in Sacramento can’t kick their big spending, big government addiction. Of course they aren’t going to blame themselves so they blame somebody else. Isn’t that the typical liberal mindset?

    Always a victim and never the culprit…

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    Re: Let's talk California

    However even in the darkest of times, there is poetic justice.
    Good on him !
    http://www.yahoo.com/s/1092512
    SANTA CRUZ, Calif. – A man who works three jobs to support his family — including one as a limousine driver — has won a $39 million jackpot in California's SuperLotto Plus.

    Clyde Persley, who is married with a 4-year-old daughter, turned in his winning ticket on Tuesday night and should get his first check for about $16 million in four to six weeks, said a California lottery spokeswoman.

    The 49-year-old Santa Cruz man operates candy-making machines for Santa Cruz Nutritionals, drives a limousine and picks up extra hours at a restaurant.

    He says his first moves will be taking his wife on a trip to Hawaii and hiring a financial adviser.

    He bought his winning ticket at a Santa Cruz market where he has played the lottery twice a week for several years.
    Maybe he shouldn't have posted his name..Ca might come lookin'
    for a bailout..

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