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    $650 to Spend Whats the best deal? AMD or Intel

    I have some money saved it time to build a new box. I will use it to play games online and as a backup pc. I like AMD but I will buy Intel if the performance is better per $$ spent. I will need Mobo, CPU, Ram, HD, PS.

    I have been looking at this kit at Tigerdirect http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...657&CatId=3508

    If I need to buy only a board cpu ram to get the most for my money I can use the old videocard & harddrive to get me by. I do have a good HD Sata 300 and Geforce 9600 VC.

    Can I get a i7 system with SLi for this amount?
    Can I build a AMD system that will perform close to the i7 at a lower price?

    Thanks
    Stanley

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    Re: $650 to Spend Whats the best deal? AMD or Intel

    Thats a tight budget for an i7 but newegg has a pretty good combo deal for cpu/mb/ram that about uses up all your budget: http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/Ad...t=Combo.201647

    Thats a pretty mean core system though if you can manage the rest of the build costs somehow.

    An AMD rig will definitely fit your budget much easier though and still offers great performance.

    EDIT: Also if going with an AMD rig I would recommend getting a 45nm Agena based cpu over the 65nm cpu as in your link, just something to consider.
    Last edited by highoctane; 06-08-2009 at 01:27 PM.
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    Re: $650 to Spend Whats the best deal? AMD or Intel

    Well, I think AMD still has the best overall price/performance.

    That Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P is an excellent board for $85. Combine that with either a Athlon II X2 250 or Phenom II X2 550, and you have a very solid core for a gaming and productivity system. Plenty of really good vid cards at the $100 level from both AMD and NVIDIA. RAM is still cheap, and storage is cheaper still. You can easily buy a pretty solid dual core system for $500 by using those first two components combined with a HD 4850 or a GTS 250 512.

    Other CPU options would of course include a X3 720 BE, or perhaps the X4 810 if you want a quad. Either of those combined with the above stated parts will keep you below $650. If you really push it, you can probably get a X4 955 (though a couple other components could suffer).

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    Re: $650 to Spend Whats the best deal? AMD or Intel

    intel, still.

    id say get a value chip like a 5x00 series, and put it in a good oc board like a p45(cheap nowadays) and get a 4870 or so. your budget is good.

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    Re: $650 to Spend Whats the best deal? AMD or Intel

    Well has anyone ever used this motherboard XFX X58ir? I do have XFX Geforce 9600GT 512Gb video card. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...24360&csid=_22

    I do have some room to play with as far as cash goes. If I could get a very good top shelf AMD pc for less money I would give it a try.

    My old AMD pcs still pulls good FPS in the games I play (Joint Operations)
    Thanks Again Guys
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    Last edited by Stanley514; 06-08-2009 at 03:07 PM.

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    Re: $650 to Spend Whats the best deal? AMD or Intel

    Looking at the parts If I go with Intel I have only one CPU to pick from 920 Nehalem. If I build AMD sys I can pick a lower cost CPU AM3 Dual core. Then max out the ram, video and best motherboard. When time comes to upgrade I can buy a faster CPU like a Phenom II X4 that will cost less as days count. This would give me legs to run a little longer. I know the i7 is the best but at what cost?

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    Re: $650 to Spend Whats the best deal? AMD or Intel

    Well, you can buy a top end AMD motherboard and their top end chip all for less than that combination. Yes, the X4 955 is overall slower than the i7 920, but it is not exactly night and day. I would say for the price the X4 955 keeps right with the Intel part. Again, I'm a big fan of Gigabyte's MA770T and the MA790FXT boards, either would provide you with pretty much all you would need (though no SLI on either, and CF is only supported on the 790FXT board).

    I agree with you though, Core 2 is a dead end from here on out. AM3 will be supported for years, and the Intel i7 obviously is not going anywhere. The only other option open for you would be to wait for the i5 (or whatever they will call the midrange i7 derivative), but that will be late August at the earliest (and potentially retail availability won't be around til late September).

    If you do go with the AMD part, and have good cooling, you should be able to hit at least 3.6 GHz if you overclock. Hell, I used the stock cooler for 3.6 GHz with a small bump in voltage with my review sample.

    i7 is pretty unbeatable in performance, but I do think that AMD does have a good value proposition for users. The X4 955 is still not a slow processor.

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    Re: $650 to Spend Whats the best deal? AMD or Intel

    Price your GPU first. The 9600gt isn't that powerful for modern games, and running them in SLI isn't that much better. I would look into stepping up to a 4770, or, if you can afford it a gtx 260.
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    Re: $650 to Spend Whats the best deal? AMD or Intel

    You can do what I did. I got the Biostar 790GX ATX board, with PII x4 940, for $259. Then $50 for 2x 2gig Gskill. There is $310. I have it running at 3.6 without any real tweaking. As has been said, you can get an ATI 4850 For $100, and a nice power supply for $80. (check out the PC Power and Cooling 700 watter for $79). The 4850 will leave the 9600 in the dust!

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    Re: $650 to Spend Whats the best deal? AMD or Intel

    I recommend AMD espcially on a 650 dollar budget.

    PII X2+ 4870

    You can even build a whole rig with those parts for 650 at the egg

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    Re: $650 to Spend Whats the best deal? AMD or Intel

    Well Thanks for the info Guys I getting the parts list on the road.
    I'm looking at these Mobos

    MSi 790FXGD70 $170
    I have build 5/6 Systems with MSi boards. They seam to have Mem qurks.

    Asus M4A79T Deluxe $190
    I've used 2 of Asus boards only one problem but it was a K6II lol.

    Gigabyte GAMA790FXT-UD5P $170
    Looks like it has problems with FII 955??

    Video I would Love to move back to ATi I have not been happy with the cost and performance of the Geforce 9600GT. Its not bad or any problems its just no real inprovement over my old HIS IceQ 1650XT FPS.

    I did buy a XDX Video card because of the warranty of Lifetime. My last HIS kicked the bucket after only 1 year.

    Should I get 1 4870 or 2 4850 cross fire?

    What Mem do you guys like DDR3 1333/1600? What brand? G skull?
    Will do 4GB unless more would be better.

    I have a powersupply 600w I have a HD so I will reuse them unless I find a great deal. I also have a new box and New DVD player burners X2.

    I plan to get a Phenom II X2 550 Black Edition Callisto 3.1GHz
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103680
    Then upgrade to a Phenom II X4 when more Power is needed.

    Cooling Stock or upgrade to overclock?
    I know I will have money left over. If so I will order a OS Vista 64bit or use my XP 64bit pro.

    Thanks Guys
    Last edited by Stanley514; 06-09-2009 at 10:44 AM.

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    Re: $650 to Spend Whats the best deal? AMD or Intel

    I have two high end AM3 motherboards that I have used for testing. The Asus M4A79T and the Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P. Of those two, the Gigabyte was far more stable, and had slightly better USB read performance. USB writes were a little lower on the Gigabyte board as compared.

    Neither board had any problem with the X4 955 that I reviewed. The big difference that I noticed between the two was that the Gigabyte board ran DDR-3 1600 speeds far more stable than the Asus board did. I think Asus sacrificed some stability for some extra performance... The differences between the boards were very marginal when it came to overall performance though.

    I have not been fond of MSI designs for a while. I think they cut too many corners when it comes to power delivery. The other two boards feature the 8+2 phases for the CPU and memory, while MSI offers a similarly priced and featured board with the 4+1 setup. This is not exactly a make or break deal, but it is something to consider.

    So overall I am most fond of the Gigabyte 790FXT board, as compared to the other two. Their less expensive 790XT board is also nicely decked out, it is just missing a few of the bells and whistles (but for a lot less money).

    Memory is sorta interesting. Get DDR-3 1600 modules. Corsair, GSkill, and OCZ are all good. OCZ has a couple of interesting products for not a whole lot of money. Take a good look though... they sell triple channel kits with similar timings to the dual channel kits for a couple of bucks more. I am almost tempted to buy two of those kits... basically buying 2 x dual channel kits, and getting one dual channel kit for free.

    As for video... a 1 GB 4850 would be very tempting. Near 4870 performance, but not as hot. Plus under $150. The GTS 250 is not a bad part either for the price, though a lot of people are unhappy about it being a rebranded part... it still performs very well for the price.

    Go for an aftermarket cooling. The stock AMD coolers are ok, and they certainly do the job, but they are not all that great or that quiet. The extra $30 or $40 spent for peace and quiet (and peace of mind) would be well worth it.

    And if I were in your position, I would re-use my XP 64 until Windows 7 comes out this Fall.
    Last edited by JoshMST; 06-09-2009 at 12:56 PM.

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    Re: $650 to Spend Whats the best deal? AMD or Intel

    Well a 3/4 hour search and read all the reviews on the three boards MSi, Asus and Gigabyte. It looks like a tossup I cannot decide any more input?
    I have all of the other parts nailed down.

    CPU
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103680
    Video
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.198376
    Ram But may change to work with board.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.198376

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    Re: $650 to Spend Whats the best deal? AMD or Intel

    Quote Originally Posted by JoshMST View Post
    I have not been fond of MSI designs for a while. I think they cut too many corners when it comes to power delivery. The other two boards feature the 8+2 phases for the CPU and memory, while MSI offers a similarly priced and featured board with the 4+1 setup. This is not exactly a make or break deal, but it is something to consider.
    Something to consider is MSI use DrMOS which is more efficient than a conventional mosfet power supply.
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