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    is it a virus?

    i was getting a lot of blue screens at times telling me to check my ram. they would start up for a while and then for a good period of time (weeks maybe?) they'd stop.

    and i was getting disk read failures.

    so, i bought new ram. i don't get blue screens anymore but i've gotten disk read failures a few times.

    one time my pc was hot (it froze up during a game and i had to restart) so i turned on the a/c and pointed a large fan directly at the ram. problem solved.

    a week later (or something like that) i got disk read failures for seemingly no reason.

    disk tests fine on seagates long test.
    Max Plank: "A new scientific truth does not
    triumph by convincing its opponents and making them
    see the light,
    but rather because its opponents eventually die"
    Arthur Shopenhauer: "Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized.
    First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is opposed. Third, it is regarded as self evident."
    Martin Niemöller:
    "When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;I was not a communist.
    When they locked up the social democrats,I remained silent;
    I was not a social democrat.When they came for the trade unionists,I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.When they came for the Jews,
    I remained silent;I wasn't a Jew.When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out."

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    Re: is it a virus?

    Check PC temps, swap/check PSU, check HDD & RAM (again). Swap HDD cables. Did you use the DOS mode SeaTools or did you use the Windows version? Best to use the DOS mode one.

    Do you have any add-on cards (eg. internal modem, etc)?

    Can you list your full specs please?

    Are the BSOD's random or can you reproduce them at will?

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    Re: is it a virus?

    amd dual core 2.8 ghz (i think it's a 5600+)
    gskill 800 mhz ddr2 4 gigs ram
    biostar tforce 550 mother board
    seagate 250gig hard drive
    msi 8600 gts overclocked edition (factory overclocked)
    big assed scythe 120mm fans and sythe ninja
    corsair 520w psu
    avermedia tv card (forget which one)
    chaintech av-710 audio card

    seem random. but heat seems to be common with them. i think they happen less in the winter.
    Last edited by old82; 06-13-2009 at 08:08 PM.
    Max Plank: "A new scientific truth does not
    triumph by convincing its opponents and making them
    see the light,
    but rather because its opponents eventually die"
    Arthur Shopenhauer: "Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized.
    First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is opposed. Third, it is regarded as self evident."
    Martin Niemöller:
    "When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;I was not a communist.
    When they locked up the social democrats,I remained silent;
    I was not a social democrat.When they came for the trade unionists,I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.When they came for the Jews,
    I remained silent;I wasn't a Jew.When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out."

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    Re: is it a virus?

    im guessing something is causing the disk read failure that has escaped the seagate test and would take more research to find out why it is having these problems, hows your troubleshooting skills?

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    Re: is it a virus?

    lazy and full of procrastination

    and holy shit! you can talk?!
    Max Plank: "A new scientific truth does not
    triumph by convincing its opponents and making them
    see the light,
    but rather because its opponents eventually die"
    Arthur Shopenhauer: "Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized.
    First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is opposed. Third, it is regarded as self evident."
    Martin Niemöller:
    "When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;I was not a communist.
    When they locked up the social democrats,I remained silent;
    I was not a social democrat.When they came for the trade unionists,I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.When they came for the Jews,
    I remained silent;I wasn't a Jew.When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out."

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    Re: is it a virus?

    Did you run the tests? Have you swapped the HDD cable? Can you answer my question about SeaTools? There's only so much people are willing to do if you're not prepared to at least follow their suggestions.

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    Re: is it a virus?

    i'll do it when i have time mr. taskmaster! just come back when i post again.
    Max Plank: "A new scientific truth does not
    triumph by convincing its opponents and making them
    see the light,
    but rather because its opponents eventually die"
    Arthur Shopenhauer: "Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized.
    First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is opposed. Third, it is regarded as self evident."
    Martin Niemöller:
    "When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;I was not a communist.
    When they locked up the social democrats,I remained silent;
    I was not a social democrat.When they came for the trade unionists,I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.When they came for the Jews,
    I remained silent;I wasn't a Jew.When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out."

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    Re: is it a virus?

    no main board voltage regulator chip has gone due to over heat...


    only to replace the main board...





    4ukh

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    Re: is it a virus?

    Quote Originally Posted by old82 View Post
    i'll do it when i have time mr. taskmaster! just come back when i post again.
    Hope ya figure it out.

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    Re: is it a virus?

    It's a virus if a virus is found beyond a doubt.

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    Re: is it a virus?

    i've ran several AV's on this pc all while this was an issue and haven't found anything more than tracking cookies.

    so, i guess it is hardware related?
    Max Plank: "A new scientific truth does not
    triumph by convincing its opponents and making them
    see the light,
    but rather because its opponents eventually die"
    Arthur Shopenhauer: "Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized.
    First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is opposed. Third, it is regarded as self evident."
    Martin Niemöller:
    "When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;I was not a communist.
    When they locked up the social democrats,I remained silent;
    I was not a social democrat.When they came for the trade unionists,I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.When they came for the Jews,
    I remained silent;I wasn't a Jew.When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out."

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    Re: is it a virus?

    You could always run Hijackthis. You'd just want to be careful
    what you delete. Maybe you'll see something once the scan
    runs you don't
    recognize...

    http://www.trendsecure.com/portal/en...ols/hijackthis
    Last edited by no2guncntrl; 06-20-2009 at 11:44 PM.

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    Re: is it a virus?

    Quote Originally Posted by old82 View Post
    so, i guess it is hardware related?
    which is precisely why I made those suggestions above...

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    Re: is it a virus?

    If no virus is found then yep, it must be something else and it takes effort to troubleshoot. If I had suggestions I would just speculate and could be totally wrong about suggesting something. Which is why troubleshooting skills are required when using a computer. If you can't then maybe someone else knows more about it. Google is your friend, also, other things such as books with troubleshooting advice from the shop or library. Maybe someone else has the time and experience to do it for you. Whatever.

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    Re: is it a virus?

    Not finding a virus is not evidence there isn't one necessarily, but there's another way it can be ruled out with a simple test.

    Keeping in mind that the virus has to have a host, whether it be ran from the operating system or the boot block of the hard drive, etc., all you need do is boot to an OS on CD and run the system off it for awhile to see if the problem is replicated. I mean something like a Ubuntu LiveCD.

    As for the memory, run memtest86+ overnight to check it. You don't mention exactly how these disk read failures manifest themselves, but if you had been running with memory errors for awhile, especially if you had defragged your hard drive, there's a pretty good chance you have file corruption and I don't mean the kind scandisk can correct as it's not a filesystem problem it's the bits written are just wrong but it's still a valid "file" so far as the disk subsystem knows.

    Why did you point a fan at the RAM? CAS4 at 800MHz shouldn't need high enough voltage to be a problem, but if the gaming load increased temps this much you may want to consider improving case airflow by adding a fan. If it's too much trouble to put it anywhere else due to stripping system down and cleaning out metal particles from cutting a hole, take the side panel off and cut the fan hole there, across from the hard drives and/or mostly under the video card though an 8600GTS doesn't produce an especially large amount of heat compared to many cards.

    Surely your system has voltage and temperature monitoring ability, keep an eye on that during stress tests like continually running 3DMark, and Prime95's Torture Test. As for a single real game crashing though, that is sometimes just a game or driver flaw, you need to try and reproduce the problem besides in one potentially buggy game. You might run ATITool to stress video while Prime95 Torture Test to load CPU.

    If all else fails make a separate partition or on a separate HDD, make a testbed installation of the same OS, but keep it as clean as possible for the time being only trying to replicate the fault, THEN add more to it than just the motherboard chipset drivers and video driver. By clean I meant do install an app or game that is crashing after the clean install seemed to be stable.

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