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  1. #3616
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    Hey why don't you guys pm each other if you want to talk? Aren't you afraid of getting a vacation?
    Better idea - You and SwampWater get a Motel room so the two of you can spend some Quality Time together. I'll use the PM messaging system to pass the word around and take up a collection to send you two a complimentary tube of KY.
    Last edited by SteveW; 09-28-2015 at 12:52 PM.

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Clearwater View Post
    I have been benefiting people most of my life, what have you contributed beside me, me, more me. I was a team player at home growing up, in school, in the military, in church, and all my working life to make this a better county even when the likes of you have done everything possible to tear it down.

    By you saying "what a joke", tells it all about yourself, me, me, and only me, screw America, I am only in it to get out of it what I can a put nothing back.

    I will talk to otoc where and when I like. When I see you say the same to yourself and your clan I might take notice. You got rules for yourself and your clan and different rules for everyone else. That sound like a dictatorship that you and your clan want to take into government.
    Can't speak for Dutchcedar, but my house is already paying a middle class family income in taxes.

    It saddens me that my wife and I worked our way through college (twice for me) and now the government's thanks for our sacrifice and investment in ourselves is, "Guess what? It's great you two figured out how to make a good living, but you want to buy the guy that makes your Subway Melts at lunch an HMO too, right?".

    Slapping ham on bread was never meant to be a career, and not having HMOs used to motivate people to seek out more traditional vocations.

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    Perhaps you guys should look towards other sources of news that do a better job informing instead of trying to sway opinion.

    Seems like ObamaCare is doing what it was designed to do: costs are going up at record lows. What's different in Employer sponsored plans is that Employers are saving money and not passing that savings onto you.
    Um, no. It's not otoc. Obama plainly and quite repeatedly stated that his plan would LOWER the average American family's premium by $2,500. He wasn't talking about costs going up at record lows either, and even if he was.....


    Of course, even if he did mean what he didn't say, Obama can't claim credit for the slowdown. The truth is that the current trend started in 2006, long before Obama took office, and longer still before ObamaCare took effect. And the continued trend of modest premium increases has been due largely to the shift in the employer market toward health savings account-type plans, which just happened to hit the market in 2005.

    Maybe now's the time for Obama to ask Bush if he can borrow his "Mission Accomplished" banner?
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    I like the other liberal fallacy "If we give them an HMO so they can go to the Dr every time they sneeze, we'll save big bucks on ER visits!" as well.

    When you don't have health insurance, you avoid going to the Dr pretty much altogether. This is not hard because a lot of the people who didn't have insurance are under 30 and don't need Drs very often statistically speaking. When they DO need Dr.s they go to ER and pay the bill out of pocket. I did this a few times when I was young and it was very good motivation to seek more traditional employment that offered insurance.

    What about that? Well 86% of Americans had some health insurance when Obamacare passed, and we had about 8% unemployment.

    Now we're getting down to it- what we're REALLY talking about here are LOSERS.

    If you're 40 years old and you haven't been able to find your way to a job with insurance in the last 22 years, I have NO SYMPATHY WHATSOEVER. I had $200 deductible HMOs at jobs I made $7/hour at when I was young, and I worked at jobs with pay as low as $10/hour after I earned my first bachelors degree to keep a roof over my head and a HMO.

    Real people work at jobs to support themselves rather than hold out their hand and BEG from people who did the same.

    Want to know what I did when I wasn't earning enough? I worked two jobs. The world doesn't owe anyone a 40 hour work week, or a life like the wonderful people on tv.

    Obama basically just forced the young who had no or marginal insurance to step up their coverage, the rest of us to pay more, to give a gift to his constituents:

    No life losers who can't be bothered to actually go earn a living and want Obama Hood, Prince of Thieves to steal one for them.

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    ^^ Think of it this way it's for the greater good

    no

    It's for your own good

    The Messiah knows all, fixes all, does all. He's a one man government.
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by jethro View Post
    Can't speak for Dutchcedar, but my house is already paying a middle class family income in taxes.

    It saddens me that my wife and I worked our way through college (twice for me) and now the government's thanks for our sacrifice and investment in ourselves is, "Guess what? It's great you two figured out how to make a good living, but you want to buy the guy that makes your Subway Melts at lunch an HMO too, right?".

    Slapping ham on bread was never meant to be a career, and not having HMOs used to motivate people to seek out more traditional vocations.
    jethro, who do you know, have you seen, or do you have statistics showing people going to the doctor every time they sneeze? I know you don't and that is nothing but a BS right wing know nothing talking point, and even coming from a person with more than one bachelors degree. You can blow that crap up your own people's butts, but I'm not having any of it. Are those people going to be going to a doctor with sneezes with the deductibles? Come on, you must be talking to those with very limits amout of brain cells.

    Now you say that people can get jobs with higher pay and/or employer based healthcare. Let's say everyone that is unemployed, under employed, and all those over 25 working low pay jobs have bachelors degrees or highly skilled. Where are you going to find employment for all of them? You with your bachelor degrees please tell us what the employment rate would be now if all those people had bachelors degrees or a combination of bachelor degrees and highly skilled? Surely someone with bachelor degrees that would be a very easy task to figure out. Or is that just some more smoke you are trying to blow up my butt?

    For you earlier post, how come hospitals are closing or the ERs of hospitals are closing. What happens when those hospitals close or their ERs? Where to the people now go that can't pay or won't pay their hospital bill? Someone with bachelor degrees should have a very good idea what these people are going to do.

    Do hospitals pass on the cost to those who pay their bills to cover those who don't?

    Here is an example of someone cutting corners. This person was taking half tablets for blood pressure, finely this person ended up in the hospital because of it. Which would have been cheaper, ending up in the hospital or not cutting pills?

  7. #3622
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    ^ The concept, understandably foreign to a find liberal mind such as yours - Free Enterprise. It's works a bit different from Government Mandated or Socialist.
    Last edited by SteveW; 09-30-2015 at 09:51 AM.

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by tucker View Post
    Team player? Team Obama

    It's funny you should talk about a dictatorship when you openly support one. It's even more hilarious you should talk about a different set of rules for everybody else when your party and president clearly practices the same thing. I might say practice what you preach before you start pointing fingers Mr Team Player...

    I hope your arms are long enough to pat yourself on the back nobody else is going to do it for you.
    Just because you can't check and rebalance does not mean Obama is a dictator. By what you said you are the one wanting to be the dictator without checks and balances.

    Proof, your party is ready to dissemble the SCOTUS because you think they are wrong in two cases even when the majority is conservative. That is wanting to be a dictatorship.

    Shutting down the government because you don't have the votes to get what you want and costing the economy $24 billion. That is wanting to be a dictatorship.

    After Borehner leaves I think we are going to see more of this childish temper tantrums behavior.

    Yes, it has been confirmed to me right wingers favor a dictatorship as long as it is their dictatorship. The biggie we last seen was the run up to the war in Iraq. Disregard of all information and only going on suspicions.
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveW View Post
    ^ The concept, understandably foreign to a find liberal mind such as yours - Free Enterprise. It's works a bit different from Government Mandated or Socialist.
    Boy are you blind as to all the socialize you are in favor of. You wouldn't like it much if there was a totally free enterprise system.

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Clearwater View Post
    jethro, who do you know, have you seen, or do you have statistics showing people going to the doctor every time they sneeze? I know you don't and that is nothing but a BS right wing know nothing talking point, and even coming from a person with more than one bachelors degree. You can blow that crap up your own people's butts, but I'm not having any of it. Are those people going to be going to a doctor with sneezes with the deductibles? Come on, you must be talking to those with very limits amout of brain cells.

    Now you say that people can get jobs with higher pay and/or employer based healthcare. Let's say everyone that is unemployed, under employed, and all those over 25 working low pay jobs have bachelors degrees or highly skilled. Where are you going to find employment for all of them? You with your bachelor degrees please tell us what the employment rate would be now if all those people had bachelors degrees or a combination of bachelor degrees and highly skilled? Surely someone with bachelor degrees that would be a very easy task to figure out. Or is that just some more smoke you are trying to blow up my butt?

    For you earlier post, how come hospitals are closing or the ERs of hospitals are closing. What happens when those hospitals close or their ERs? Where to the people now go that can't pay or won't pay their hospital bill? Someone with bachelor degrees should have a very good idea what these people are going to do.

    Do hospitals pass on the cost to those who pay their bills to cover those who don't?

    Here is an example of someone cutting corners. This person was taking half tablets for blood pressure, finely this person ended up in the hospital because of it. Which would have been cheaper, ending up in the hospital or not cutting pills?
    Here's the difference:
    If hospitals bill 100 no insurance goofballs, some of them will pay it. The ones who don't will rightfully get their credit damaged. Doesn't take a bachelors to see that some of them paying their own way is better than none of them.

    I have high blood pressure. The generic drug that controls it is so cheap it costs less to buy than my generic Rx co-pay.

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Clearwater View Post
    Boy are you blind as to all the socialize you are in favor of. You wouldn't like it much if there was a totally free enterprise system.
    Please do name a few "Socalize that I'm in favor of". Be specific.

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    ^^^ I like the jump to "totally" free enterprise system... another canard played at every turn by liberals. Noone puts forward a plan without government (the only way free enterprise could be totally "free"), so that's what Clearwater puts forward as your other option. Socialism or the Wild West. Whatchagonna choose?

    Kinda like Obama's Iran deal or war. Two choices. Mine or one that's so extreme its ridiculous.

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by jethro View Post
    Here's the difference:
    If hospitals bill 100 no insurance goofballs, some of them will pay it. The ones who don't will rightfully get their credit damaged. Doesn't take a bachelors to see that some of them paying their own way is better than none of them.

    I have high blood pressure. The generic drug that controls it is so cheap it costs less to buy than my generic Rx co-pay.

    Do you really think those people that don't pay are worried about their credit. If some are paying why are ERs and hospitals closing Mr. Bachelor Degrees?

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Clearwater View Post
    Do you really think those people that don't pay are worried about their credit.
    Yes, I do. I don't think all of the American people are welfare hobos, I think there are still some like me. When I didn't have insurance, I paid for my visits to the doctor or dentist. I also cared about my credit rating. The people who don't care may well be on Medicaid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Clearwater View Post
    If some are paying why are ERs and hospitals closing Mr. Bachelor Degrees?
    1. The nature of health care is changing. LOL- it certainly isn't because insurance lacking Obama voters can't pay their bills!

    http://www.modernhealthcare.com/arti...ZINE/302219988

    2. You seem angered by my choice to invest in myself and pick up some degrees. I did this because on average people with college degrees make more money and are more likely to be employed. I like to stack the odds in my favor where possible.

    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...l-grads-widens

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by jethro View Post
    Yes, I do. I don't think all of the American people are welfare hobos, I think there are still some like me. When I didn't have insurance, I paid for my visits to the doctor or dentist. I also cared about my credit rating. The people who don't care may well be on Medicaid.


    1. The nature of health care is changing. LOL- it certainly isn't because insurance lacking Obama voters can't pay their bills!

    http://www.modernhealthcare.com/arti...ZINE/302219988

    2. You seem angered by my choice to invest in myself and pick up some degrees. I did this because on average people with college degrees make more money and are more likely to be employed. I like to stack the odds in my favor where possible.

    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...l-grads-widens
    Your smoke is wasted on me, puff it is blown away. I have a sister that is a nurse and I have talked to our local hospital administration and a close friend that is on the board of the hospital. I know what the score is, so blow your smoke to your people that will inhale it with pleasure.

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