Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

[Dutchcedar]

Hey, what's to worry? With Sebelius in charge of HHS and a kazillion new empowerments to her position comin' through Obamacare, she'll be thinkin' of nothin' but keepin' us all nice 'n healthy.

[falcon_view]

And whos fault is this? You better look in the mirror. For 6 years you let the so called Conservatives run wild and get kick out of office. But then again they are all cut from the same cloth. They all like more spending as long as it is to their district and ballooning the debt.

[old82]

Drugs of the same type or treat the same need to be put on a rating system where the sales person is only allowed to address a board of review. Those on the board would be required to summit to a full review of their finances and travels while on, before and 5 years after leaving the board. If found to have any connection or dealings with a drug company it would be a mandatory 10 year prison term.

Yep, it would be hard to find "good" people to serve but the rest you wouldn't want on the board.

you'd have us imprison the entire pharmaceutical industry?!

[old82]

I agree drugs are over prescribed, over priced and over publicized but without a doubt I believe some drugs improve the quality of life and some drugs save lives. I’m not defending big pharma I’m just saying it would be very foolish to overreact and destroy whatever good work they do.

I don’t care what you eat, how much you exercise or how good of care you take of your body you are still prone to disease and injury. Better control is in order but destruction of the pharmaceutical industry is suicide…

the problem is that we've given one part of the health industry as a whole a gluttonous monopoly in which only these precious (they wouldn't cost so god damned much if they weren't! ) pharmaceuticals are viewed as a valid option. that natural health does work! (been there, tried that)... and it works at least as well as the pharmaceuticals (and unlike the pharmaceuticals has never done near irreparable harm to my body).

the other problem is that we have an fda... having an fda makes it to where we have a one stop shopping extravaganza for all corrupt market minded drug dealers/reps.

what we need is an fda that bans nothing, only provides recommendations (it's my god damned body and i'll be the one to decide what i want done to it! after all, if i can't get access to a certain treatment then my right has be infringed upon), and is made at the state level. we need multiple fda's so that we have more of a system of checks and balances instead of one almighty all corruptible entity.

absolute power corrupts absolutely. ergo, why the hell should any entity or small conglomeration of entities have such say over our health?



this is another place where the government would be best off shoving its nose back up its ass where it came from instead of dicking about in other people's business.


and many of these drugs are VERY harmful.

funny thing is though, that why some of these VERY harmful drugs are harmful in the lackadaisical way they are currently used (prednisone for example... a steroidal anti inflammatory that WILL screw you up if you use for more than a few days and is commonly prescribed for more than a few days... it can be a life saver in emergency situations that require a reduction of swelling.)....


it never ceases to amaze me that we trust these companies own studies to verify the usefulness of a drug.

if i recall correctly, the FDA doesn't actually verify that a drug is safe. it only verifies that a drug manufacturer thinks it's safe.

[old82]

And whos fault is this? You better look in the mirror. For 6 years you let the so called Conservatives run wild and get kick out of office. But then again they are all cut from the same cloth. They all like more spending as long as it is to their district and ballooning the debt.

there aren't any conservatives or liberals in office. there's just a bunch of •••• sucking jackasses trying to figure out which bit of our pie they're gonna get and how to go about gettin it!

[tucker]

the problem is that we've given one part of the health industry as a whole a gluttonous monopoly in which only these precious (they wouldn't cost so god damned much if they weren't! ) pharmaceuticals are viewed as a valid option. that natural health does work! (been there, tried that)... and it works at least as well as the pharmaceuticals (and unlike the pharmaceuticals has never done near irreparable harm to my body).

the other problem is that we have an fda... having an fda makes it to where we have a one stop shopping extravaganza for all corrupt market minded drug dealers/reps.

what we need is an fda that bans nothing, only provides recommendations (it's my god damned body and i'll be the one to decide what i want done to it! after all, if i can't get access to a certain treatment then my right has be infringed upon), and is made at the state level. we need multiple fda's so that we have more of a system of checks and balances instead of one almighty all corruptible entity.

absolute power corrupts absolutely. ergo, why the hell should any entity or small conglomeration of entities have such say over our health?



this is another place where the government would be best off shoving its nose back up its ass where it came from instead of dicking about in other people's business.


and many of these drugs are VERY harmful.

funny thing is though, that why some of these VERY harmful drugs are harmful in the lackadaisical way they are currently used (prednisone for example... a steroidal anti inflammatory that WILL screw you up if you use for more than a few days and is commonly prescribed for more than a few days... it can be a life saver in emergency situations that require a reduction of swelling.)....


it never ceases to amaze me that we trust these companies own studies to verify the usefulness of a drug.

if i recall correctly, the FDA doesn't actually verify that a drug is safe. it only verifies that a drug manufacturer thinks it's safe.

Nobody is forcing you to take any drugs and I’m sure you probably don’t take any. But would it be ok with you if I take a few different drugs so I can stay among the living?

I mean I sure would appreciate it…

[Frank1946]

Nobody is forcing you to take any drugs and I’m sure you probably don’t take any. But would it be ok with you if I take a few different drugs so I can stay among the living?

I mean I sure would appreciate it…

You got my permission.

[tucker]

You got my permission.

Thanks...

[old82]

Nobody is forcing you to take any drugs and I’m sure you probably don’t take any. But would it be ok with you if I take a few different drugs so I can stay among the living?

I mean I sure would appreciate it…

i didn't feel like reading through my argument again and have no idea what i wrote... (if you count fluoride as a drug... it is a treatment... then they do force most people to take it... anyway)

but my stance is, a person's body is their own temple. they should be allowed to put in what they want, and nothing should be put in that person's body against that person's will except through acts of god/nature (in other words, they shouldn't force fluoride into your drinking water if you don't want to drink it, but if there's a bit of air in the pipes, well, suck it up and deal with it... you get the idea).


the fda should not ban anything. what goes into one's own body should be one's own choice.

[tucker]

i didn't feel like reading through my argument again and have no idea what i wrote... (if you count fluoride as a drug... it is a treatment... then they do force most people to take it... anyway)

but my stance is, a person's body is their own temple. they should be allowed to put in what they want, and nothing should be put in that person's body against that person's will except through acts of god/nature (in other words, they shouldn't force fluoride into your drinking water if you don't want to drink it, but if there's a bit of air in the pipes, well, suck it up and deal with it... you get the idea).


the fda should not ban anything. what goes into one's own body should be one's own choice.

The way you rant about the drug companies it’s like you think all medications are useless and bad for people. Of course all drugs have unwanted side effects and good doctors take that into account before they write a prescription. The whole idea of drugs is improving the quality of life and in a lot of cases saving lives.

There are a lot of problems with big Pharma but on the other hand they do a lot of good things.

[Enmore]

Senator Max Baucus has a little too much medicinal whiskey:

[AeroSim]

Senator Max Baucus has a little too much medicinal whiskey:

Lotsa valor was found at the bottom of a bottle.

That's probably why he didn't have the brains to just say no.

[otoc]

Lotsa valor was found at the bottom of a bottle.

That's probably why he didn't have the brains to just say no.

Funny how the man's logical statements were too clear to be from someone drunk. He made good points, but now the bloggers are deciding as fact that he was drunk as opposed to tired. The same thing has been done with Biden and all that does is make me wonder how logic gets short circuited away from talking a bout a topic and onto assumed, imagined, and unprovable character assassination.

[AeroSim]

Funny how the man's logical statements were too clear to be from someone drunk. He made good points, but now the bloggers are deciding as fact that he was drunk as opposed to tired. The same thing has been done with Biden and all that does is make me wonder how logic gets short circuited away from talking a bout a topic and onto assumed, imagined, and unprovable character assassination.

otoc,

He got what he wanted out of it. I haven't decided if this is just so much self-righteousness, conscience mitgation or both- drunk tired or everything in between. I just know that I just got done talking with some Canadians who actually looked at the bill and were appalled by our plan.

I don't know what it is going to take to convince you that this bill will only serve to screw and impoverish you more. Perhaps when you are completely unemployed, can't find good work, standing in a soup line, family members are dead or dying from a lack of care, and this health insurance disguised as healthcare doesn't go into effect for another year or two? Unless, of course, you are already working for the government or a profiting financial.

This bill murders any concept of care or decency except, of course, for whoever "they" want to grant it to. You will find out very shortly that we can't swing this and it is nothing of what we wanted because our politicians and financial leaders are nothing but lying debt spenders trying to generate more capital to pay interest. I read this bill and know the state of our economy. I will soon read it again knowing that the mortgage crisis I promised you is getting ready to hit you between the eyes with a pair of maced fists. Just know that you trusted exactly the same people with your health- and that it will neither be better or more cost effective.

We are only scratching the surface of the financial atrocity the government and financials have afflicted us with, but soon the fruits will bloom. They don't give a sh*t about We the People- just their bottom line and some vague sense that their being rich in some way helps you. Maybe then you may become outraged- unless you are pocketing the profits of course.

[SteveW]

Funny how the man's logical statements were too clear to be from someone drunk. He made good points, but now the bloggers are deciding as fact that he was drunk as opposed to tired. The same thing has been done with Biden and all that does is make me wonder how logic gets short circuited away from talking a bout a topic and onto assumed, imagined, and unprovable character assassination.

Logical statements? Good points? Sounded like drunken babbling to me.

What if he was a republican? Would the drunkeness still be ok? If he were against the great health care giveaway?