Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

[bk94si]

^^^^

Not to mention it was Tina Fey that made the infamous statement as a joke, not Palin.

[AMDScooter]

Jesus what a bunch of gibberish! Does the period key not work on your keyboard? Btw, the "I can see Russia from here" comment bashing has gone way past silly to just annoying. Anyone who knows anything about Alaska realizes there are parts where you can indeed see Russia. I won't even go into which group of voters are less responsible around guns. Palin has become a tool though. I'm not so sure even she realizes it yet. Campaigning for McCain for the Tea party....wow.

Lol, you added more and made yourself look even worse. Congrats Obamabot!

Haters simply have a hard time disguising their hate, especially among the Obamabot crowd.

MHC, I know you are simply trying to keep the discourse to a certain level here. But I'd request you re-insert Maxius first post as it gives a perfect example of exactly what I've been harping against across several threads. His post speaks for itself. If you won't reinstate it.. I'm considering posting it in my siggy.

[SteveW]

what majority tea baggers aside all i see is right wing nutjobs that like to play with guns that threaten members of congress and their families that follow pallin around begging for something from someone that can see Russia from her house she quit her job as an Alaska gov for what so she can be a power tool

furthermore obama is not a god idk where you get off calling him that stop the troll seriously you and people like you are part of the problem republicans need to interact with the democratic party and stop saying NO to everything from hearings to appointments trying to shut down the gov promising like a bunch of spoiled 5 year olds to take their toys and go home crying. cause obama's Waterloo turned out to be theirs

What I see is a bunch of whining Tree Huggers and the jerkoff liberals they have voted into public office.

[AAdjuster]

what majority tea baggers aside all i see is right wing nutjobs that like to play with guns that threaten members of congress and their families that follow pallin around begging for something from someone that can see Russia from her house she quit her job as an Alaska gov for what so she can be a power tool

furthermore obama is not a god idk where you get off calling him that stop the troll seriously you and people like you are part of the problem republicans need to interact with the democratic party and stop saying NO to everything from hearings to appointments trying to shut down the gov promising like a bunch of spoiled 5 year olds to take their toys and go home crying. cause obama's Waterloo turned out to be theirs

Your definetly a bigot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry

[old82]

OMGZ!!! yous stupidz!! kekkkekeke

[Maxius]

Your definetly a bigot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry

funny me being called that. if i am one so is the rest of people that are complaining in this post.

now i task the republican/tea party people in here to find me a tea party rally where there is one color other than white being represented. why are people that are republican/tea party out on the steps of the capital spitting on African American congressman, cutting a congressman's gas line, posting addresses of where congressman live and say you should stop by, calling congressmen making death threats and berating them and tossing bricks and shooting at their offices. honestly obama inherited a disaster and he has handled it rather well. he is getting stuff done, this is a far cry of the bush years when nothing substantial was done and a social security surplus turned into a huge deficit.

[Maxius]

What I see is a bunch of whining Tree Huggers and the jerkoff liberals they have voted into public office.

Tree huggers? jerkoff liberals there was an election your candidate/party did not get the votes plain and simple i wonder why?

Haters simply have a hard time disguising their hate, especially among the Obamabot crowd.

MHC, I know you are simply trying to keep the discourse to a certain level here. But I'd request you re-insert Maxius first post as it gives a perfect example of exactly what I've been harping against across several threads. His post speaks for itself. If you won't reinstate it.. I'm considering posting it in my siggy.

that post was made cause i was tired of your endless crap it was not civil and not it should not be reinstated. oh the write-downs are because the company's can no longer take a tax credit on insurance plans. BASICALLY THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR SOMETHING FOR YOU INSTEAD OF GETTING IT SUBSIDIZED BY THE GOVERNMENT. THE SKY IS FALLING!

all i hear in this thread is crying, well continue to cry me a river an African American is in the white house and is getting stuff done. HOW DARE HE RUN THIS COUNTRY AFTER WINING AN ELECTION!!!! do any of you really think we would of been better off with macain and palin being one heart beat away from the presidency... i would like to see people run this past me what would be different? lastly please stop listing to fox news cnn is more reputable.

[BlackDragon24]

Umm, fellas....normally I like to let the roosters run the hen-house around here but lets remember the rules please.

[AMDScooter]

that post was made cause i was tired of your endless crap it was not civil and not it should not be reinstated.

All of 5 posts in TLR and you are tired of my "endless crap". Perhaps you should simply avoid this forum if you are that thin skinned.

oh the write-downs are because the company's can no longer take a tax credit on insurance plans. BASICALLY THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR SOMETHING FOR YOU INSTEAD OF GETTING IT SUBSIDIZED BY THE GOVERNMENT. THE SKY IS FALLING!

Ignorance is indeed bliss. Not that I'm for the gubberment subsidizing stuff. But when the companies start to cut due to the extra costs, the people who were previously on their plan will be dumped into Medicare "D" which will cost us about 2x as much as the subsidies did. But hey.. don't let the inconvenient facts interfere with your rant.

all i hear in this thread is crying,

If you are hearing crying.. it ain't us.

well continue to cry me a river an African American is in the white house and is getting stuff done.

Ya..



go pat yourself on the back.

HOW DARE HE RUN THIS COUNTRY AFTER WINING AN ELECTION!!!!

And how dare the opposition act like... opposition. Not that we have any legitimate claims or anything. We're all just bible thumpin... gun clinging... racists.

do any of you really think we would of been better off with macain

Light years better off.

and palin being one heart beat away from the presidency...

As opposed to smoking Joe "big f*cking deal" Biden? Yes.

i would like to see people run this past me what would be different?

You'd probably have a lot more support from both sides on legislation as McCain is about a country mile closer to the center. Our allies would probably be a lot happier with us. He probably would not have gone on a world apology tour. I seriously doubt he would have quadrupled the debit in 1 year or passed a hostile takeover of 1/6 of whats left of our economy. Or spent a trillion bucks on a "stimulus" to have unemployment sitting just under 10% (nearly a full 2 points higher than his best guess had we done nothing at all for those who can count) over a year after it's passage. That's just the starter list.

lastly please stop listing to fox news cnn is more reputable.

Okeyfine.

[AMDScooter]

Much like the stimulus stabilization, the more people know the less they like it.


Health Care Law
One Week Later, 54% Favor Repeal of Health Care Bill

One week after the House of Representatives passed the health care plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats, 54% of the nation's likely voters still favor repealing the new law. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 42% oppose repeal.

Those figures are virtually unchanged from last week. They include 44% who Strongly Favor repeal and 34% who Strongly Oppose it.

Repeal is favored by 84% of Republicans and 59% of unaffiliated voters. Among white Democrats, 25% favor repeal, but only one percent (1%) of black Democrats share that view.

Only 17% of all voters believe the plan will achieve one of its primary goals and reduce the cost of health care. Most (55%) believe it will have the opposite affect and increase the cost of care.

Forty-nine percent (49%) believe the new law will reduce the quality of care. Sixty percent (60%) believe it will increase the federal budget deficit. Those numbers are consistent with expectations before the bill was passed.

Scott Rasmussen, president of Rasmussen Reports, notes that "the overriding tone of the data is that passage of the legislation has not changed anything. Those who opposed the bill before it passed now want to repeal it. Those who supported the legislation oppose repealing it."

Rasmussen Reports will track support for the repeal effort on a weekly basis for as long as it remains a significant issue. New updates will be released each Monday morning.

(Want a free daily e-mail update? If it's in the news, it's in our polls). Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter or Facebook.

A number of states are already challenging the constitutionality of that requirement in court, and polling data released earlier shows that 49% of voters nationwide would like their state to sue the federal government over the health care bill.

Overall, 41% of voters believe the new health care legislation will be good for the country, while 50% believe it will be bad for the country.

Generally speaking, the partisan and demographic breakdowns have shifted little since passage of the health care bill. Those groups who opposed the bill tend to support repeal and those who supported the bill oppose repeal.

While some aspects of the new health care law are popular, most voters oppose the measures required to cover the nearly one trillion dollars in additional spending called for over the next decade. Fifty-six percent (56%) oppose the reductions in Medicare spending, a figure that includes 70% of those over 65.

[kbohip]

Tree huggers? jerkoff liberals there was an election your candidate/party did not get the votes plain and simple i wonder why?





that post was made cause i was tired of your endless crap it was not civil and not it should not be reinstated. oh the write-downs are because the company's can no longer take a tax credit on insurance plans. BASICALLY THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR SOMETHING FOR YOU INSTEAD OF GETTING IT SUBSIDIZED BY THE GOVERNMENT. THE SKY IS FALLING!

all i hear in this thread is crying, well continue to cry me a river an African American is in the white house and is getting stuff done. HOW DARE HE RUN THIS COUNTRY AFTER WINING AN ELECTION!!!! do any of you really think we would of been better off with macain and palin being one heart beat away from the presidency... i would like to see people run this past me what would be different? lastly please stop listing to fox news cnn is more reputable.

Ignorance is definitely bliss for the Obamabots. This is proof. Yea, BO sure is "getting stuff done" alright. Funny though, the more he gets done, the closer this country gets to being done for good.

[Maxius]

Ignorance is definitely bliss for the Obamabots.

obamabot... that is a new one, just cause i casted a vote in a election for a democratic African Americana candidate for president does not mean i am a bot with no will of my own or think obama is anything like the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ he is man and the president by majority vote of the people of the country.

This is proof. Yea, BO sure is "getting stuff done" alright. Funny though, the more he gets done, the closer this country gets to being done for good.

the right said the same thing about social security and then Medicaid/medicare (i am sure your parents or grand parents are on it). now even if obama didn't win the election macain would of still had to deal with all the crap inherited from 8 years of bush. i bet my left nut that macain would of done the exact same things that obama did in regards to the crap he inherited.

stop with he is destroying the country yeah the country is in debt and a recession this was caused by 8 years of bush, his lies, and war mongering (not Afghanistan). the republicans lost the previous election big time you obviously do not like what has happened in regards to that.

cry me a river for the party that won with the majority of the vote in this democracy governing how they see fit. the problem with your rant is the republicans are scared of the tea party people so much so they are not actually contributing to legislation. they prefer sitting there getting paid by our tax dollars, doing nothing and bringing nothing to the table other than a 5 year old tantrum of saying no to everything. yes in this past year they have brought nothing to the table and the things that they have and when their ideas was put into legislation they still end up vetoing no on it. that does not give the democrats any reason to deal away any part of legislation the republicans do not like since they wont get 1 republican vote in the end theirs no incentive so why bother with them the flip-side of the coin was during the bush years now you know what it like to be under thumb and ignored

[kbohip]

Maxius, if you knew anything about me at all you'd know that I was not a fan of Bush. In 2000 I did vote for him but that was mostly because of my overwhelming hatred of Gore. Other than that I vote Libertarian. Why? Well, one only needs to see the mess that both parties have gotten this country into during the last 30-40 years. Please don't go painting me as something you think I am. It's the very thing you accuse the Teabaggers, Republicans, and any white person that didn't vote for the first OMFG!!! (half) black president.

The thing that really pisses me off about Obama apologists is the whole race thing. I don't give a shit what color or even gender our president is. Not in the slightest actually so don't tell me I'm racist or scared a black guy is running the country. It's beyond the point of pathetic but par for the course for the left nowadays. While I'm on the subject of race, I find the exit poll results for the last election quite telling. Not only did BO get 96% of the black vote, but more blacks than ever turned out for the election. This is not racist how? Yet it's overlooked that whites gave him the largest percentage of their votes since 1976. The other thing I have to laugh at is blaming Bush for the entire situation we're in right now. Yes it's true that he majorly screwed us by getting us into Iraq. It's also true that he spent more money as president than he should have.

But Obama! Holy Crap! Since when is it a good idea to get yourself out of debt by going out and buying everything you can get a loan for? This country is in so much more debt now than when Bush and Co. left it's a nightmare. We are never going to get out of it. Ever. Now he goes and throws another $1 trillion plus onto our already monumental debt pile by shoving "free" health care down our throats. I'll be the first to agree that our health care system is a mess and something should be done, just not now. We have a lot more on our plate right now and for the foreseeable future. We really, really, really, didn't need health care reform right now. We need to be getting out of debt, not getting into boatloads more of it than this president is getting us into.

[Dutchcedar]

from iowahawk (who always has a way with words)...

Re-publicans

January: REVOLT!

February: REJECT!

March: REPEAL!!

Late March: REPEAL... and Replace!

April: Revamp.

May: Revise!

June: Rigorous Review!

July: Revisit?

August: Revise... but not before a reasonable review!

September: Review, Renovate and Renew!

October: Retain and reinforce!

November: RE-ELECT! (Please?)

December: heh. Retards.

Sadly, he's probably spot on.

[Phopojijo]

Keep in mind that the first 700 billion was spent before Obama went into office... along with the senseless Iraq war which is past another 700 billion.

So keep in mind... ~1.4 trillion dollars is the Republican Party's fault... and of that money, we're not seeing any benefit.