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  1. #211
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    Fire
    Police
    Navy
    Marines
    Air Force
    Army
    National Guard
    Coast Guard
    Post office
    Rail
    Social Security
    IRS
    Penal
    Judicial

    Your point is what, that we don't have basic services that actually work and could not be labeled 'socialism'? Please. Save me the doom and gloom regarding our government as well as making health seem like it is such a shift in politics because Obama happens to be driving this issue.

    edit: Social Security works and is well maintained. What kills it is Congress taking the over payments in as revenue for the national budget instead of investing it for future generations.
    Look I dont really think people will make the arguement that there is SOME stuff out there that is needed.

    My beef is that though there is some out there that are needed about 80% of the other stuff can go.


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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    lol, so the senate is duplicating the Romney plan from Massachusetts where everyone must have insurance.
    When it came to discussing Romney as a presidential candidate, you rode his arse for having a screwed up plan for medicine in your state. Now that the Democrats want to put in place a plan for the nation that's similar, you call up the Romney plan as justification.

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Fire
    Police
    Navy
    Marines
    Air Force
    Army
    National Guard
    Coast Guard
    Post office
    Rail
    Social Security
    IRS
    Penal
    Judicial

    Every one of them are indeed needed and every last one of them is NOT run efficiently some of these examples are down right bankrupt look at the post office as a prime example.

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    When it came to discussing Romney as a presidential candidate, you rode his arse for having a screwed up plan for medicine in your state. Now that the Democrats want to put in place a plan for the nation that's similar, you call up the Romney plan as justification.
    lol, how about pointing out a simple fact that hadn't been pointed out in a thread where most are riding the new president who happens not to be in their party by way of an inaccurate thread title. As truth shows, it is Congress writing the bill at this time.

    As to my mentioning on a few occasions that I feel Romney never finished one term, left the state in shambles and talked up his credentials as governor? Aside from the later fact that he sold his house in Massachusetts and moved to NH to have a good first showing in the next presidential election, if a few mentions is riding 'his arse' to you, then where does that put this forum in terms of Obama's anatomy with the constant whining of his every move with a focus on negative interpretation? Clearly shoved right up his butt?

    So yes dutch, I can point out things not mentioned to balance criticism regarding a thread topic and you can point out....me. Truly expected, but I'd rather be riding on the butt than sitting in darkness playing with poo.

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    lol, how about pointing out a simple fact that hadn't been pointed out in a thread where most are riding the new president who happens not to be in their party by way of an inaccurate thread title. As truth shows, it is Congress writing the bill at this time.

    As to my mentioning on a few occasions that I feel Romney never finished one term, left the state in shambles and talked up his credentials as governor? Aside from the later fact that he sold his house in Massachusetts and moved to NH to have a good first showing in the next presidential election, if a few mentions is riding 'his arse' to you, then where does that put this forum in terms of Obama's anatomy with the constant whining of his every move with a focus on negative interpretation? Clearly shoved right up his butt?

    So yes dutch, I can point out things not mentioned to balance criticism regarding a thread topic and you can point out....me. Truly expected, but I'd rather be riding on the butt than sitting in darkness playing with poo.
    Thanks for explaining why you have no actual position for anything other than an excuse to blather on incomprehensibly.

    And kudos on the interpretations of your riding Romney's arse into some weird Obama/TLR conspiracy theory.

  6. #216
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    lol, how about pointing out a simple fact that hadn't been pointed out in a thread where most are riding the new president who happens not to be in their party by way of an inaccurate thread title. As truth shows, it is Congress writing the bill at this time.
    That's gotta be one of the cutest centrist statements you've ever made. Show of hands.. who here thinks the title of the thread is inaccurate because "congress" is currently writing the plan Obama is pushing?
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    ...let me know when the actual topic becomes a matter of discussion. I really don't care how you guys handle opinions other than yours.
    Last edited by otoc; 07-03-2009 at 04:49 PM.

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    ^^^ Its about as inaccurate as the Great Global Warming Swindle.

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post

    ...let me know when the actual topic becomes a matter of discussion. I really don't care how you guys handle opinions other than yours.
    Yeah, let's turn riding Romney's arse into an Obama/TLR conspiracy and argue the validity of a thread title to stay on-topic in order to keep the actual topic a matter of discussion.

    Thread hoser otoc calls for staying on topic, folks.

    Cute kitty, though.

    And a real clever way to keep the forum family friendly.
    Last edited by Dutchcedar; 07-03-2009 at 01:24 PM.

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    ...let me know when the actual topic becomes a matter of discussion. I really don't care how you guys handle opinions other than yours.
    Our mistake. We should have known from experience the logical failings of your posts would become our fault for pointing them out. As usual.. a hoot..

    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    lol, so the senate is duplicating the Romney plan from Massachusetts where everyone must have insurance. Your point is what, besides the offsets for those who can't afford to buy in or the fact that there are millions who could pay the $12-16K a year but don't when they can subsidize their sickness by going to emergency wards and having the rest of us subsidize their payment plans due to the actual cost of their treatments?
    I guess I miss what
    you're saying. Out here in Ca it's against the law to turn away
    anyone who comes to an emer ward. I didn't vote for this, it
    was passed by those up in Sac. I have Kaiser at a cost of 325.00
    a month with coverage up to a million, doc visits at 5 bucks, etc.
    If I can afford to pay for this on less than a 1000.00 a month
    after taxes, why can't others ? Hospitals with emer wards have
    been forced to shut down because they couldn't pay their bills.

    Whose fault is that ? I put it right on the same people who forced
    emer wards to accept anyone regardless of funds. Now because
    these private hospitals are out of business, many county hospitals
    are severely over burdened, under staffed and people are literally
    dying while sitting waiting to be seen. There are at least 2 cases
    of that out here in the L.A area.

    I don't think anyone should get a free ride when it comes it health
    care. If you don't have the money, you have to come up with it.
    If you've served in the military then I feel you've paid your dues to
    that field of Gov medical care, even as messed up as it is. I could
    go to the VA but choose not to, as there are many more vets
    who are really messed up that could use the services I might
    be taking away so I pay up to the Kaiser Gods.

    But this deal of a free ride is not right, nor is it right for the Gov
    to force people to carry insurance. That just sound so much like
    a "show me your papers" type agenda it makes me sick.

    As far as illegals they should be paying regardless. First off they
    shouldn't be getting ANY services at all ! Why the heck provide
    food, clothes, meds, etc for LAW BREAKERS ? If these same people
    tried to get legal or at the very least documented, that would be
    one thing, but many don't. They've come here, and I do agree many
    work very hard, but I didn't invite them here. They CHOSE to come
    here. Why should I or anyone else here support them ? I sure
    wouldn't accept handouts the way the are given out here in
    Ca to illegals. But it's not just about illegals, it's also about others
    who come here from other states when they find out Ca pays
    some of the highest amounts when it comes to Welfare. Why
    should I or others here in Ca who ARE paying their way, pay for
    someone else ? I pay enough in taxes now. I don't want to pay
    more. I as well don't want that monster in D.C. telling me I
    better carry insurance or else ! Screw it and screw those behind it.

    I just don't get it. Not one person in my family has ever put in
    for welfare or medical. We don't believe in mooching off others,
    but I guess many do. Sad deal there.
    Last edited by no2guncntrl; 07-03-2009 at 04:23 PM.

  12. #222
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    actually, you could just call it getting your tax dollars back... instead of mooching you know.
    Max Plank: "A new scientific truth does not
    triumph by convincing its opponents and making them
    see the light,
    but rather because its opponents eventually die"
    Arthur Shopenhauer: "Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized.
    First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is opposed. Third, it is regarded as self evident."
    Martin Niemöller:
    "When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;I was not a communist.
    When they locked up the social democrats,I remained silent;
    I was not a social democrat.When they came for the trade unionists,I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.When they came for the Jews,
    I remained silent;I wasn't a Jew.When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out."

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    ...let me know when the actual topic becomes a matter of discussion. I really don't care how you guys handle opinions other than yours.
    Please remove remove the profanity. If you don't care and it isn't getting under your skin, then why revert to profanity?

    It's ok to disagree and the two sides aren't going to convince one another to agree with their position.

    So, why not have a clean debate?

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by no2guncntrl
    I have Kaiser at a cost of 325.00
    a month with coverage up to a million, doc visits at 5 bucks, etc.
    If I can afford to pay for this on less than a 1000.00 a month
    after taxes, why can't others ?
    Well, let's see...you obviously are not a renter or you couldn't afford it.

    Hmmm... rent in CA (1 bdrm) approx $900 maybe less. How many decent apts' in CA are there for $300\month?

    insurance $325. Nope couldn't do it.
    Fox News watchers are less informed - The Proof

    I hope we shall... crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government in a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
    - Thomas Jefferson

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    how the hell does he pay that on $1000 a month? for me it's $508 for rent, $30 for net, $15 for utilities, $30 to $90 (estimate) for electricity, around $320 a month for food (and that's for REAL food. you can spend your money on drugs or on food, but one way or another you're gonna spend it. i'd rather be healthy and eat food than blow a wad Rx drugs)... and then miscellaneous costs....

    that's $903 to $963 right there every month without miscellaneous costs.

    does no2guncontrol live with mommy?

    and my apartment is a 343 sq foot efficiency.
    Max Plank: "A new scientific truth does not
    triumph by convincing its opponents and making them
    see the light,
    but rather because its opponents eventually die"
    Arthur Shopenhauer: "Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized.
    First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is opposed. Third, it is regarded as self evident."
    Martin Niemöller:
    "When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;I was not a communist.
    When they locked up the social democrats,I remained silent;
    I was not a social democrat.When they came for the trade unionists,I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.When they came for the Jews,
    I remained silent;I wasn't a Jew.When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out."

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