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  1. #226
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    My place is paid for. My rent space is around 400.00 a month.
    Phone is 29.00, cable is 48.00 utilities are included. Gas runs
    about 25.00 or less a week as I haul one or more to work.
    Rides though older, are paid for. Car insurance runs 360
    a year as I need just the mins for Ca. I don't drive far for
    work. My Kaiser and dental are taken out before taxes.

    I don't need much else and eats for one person is cheap if
    one saves coupons and looks for sales. Not hard. I don't
    have much else and don't need hardly anything as I have
    just about all I could ask for or expect.

    "Mommy's" dead. I laid her to rest 2 years ago. She was
    a fine woman and a great mother to my brothers, sister
    and to me.
    Last edited by no2guncntrl; 07-03-2009 at 06:05 PM.

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    please provide your total list of cost... there's no way this is less than $1000 a month with a car. maintenance alone costs more than that. i guess i could replace some of you costs with my food costs as food basically is my gasoline...

    show us all the numbers please.
    Max Plank: "A new scientific truth does not
    triumph by convincing its opponents and making them
    see the light,
    but rather because its opponents eventually die"
    Arthur Shopenhauer: "Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized.
    First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is opposed. Third, it is regarded as self evident."
    Martin Niemöller:
    "When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;I was not a communist.
    When they locked up the social democrats,I remained silent;
    I was not a social democrat.When they came for the trade unionists,I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.When they came for the Jews,
    I remained silent;I wasn't a Jew.When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out."

  3. #228
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    I don't have any more numbers to show. What I've posted is it.
    I have a lil money in the bank, some in a jar and a couple bucks
    in my wallet along with some Blue Chip stamps that won't be
    worth a crap ever again. I do my own work on my rides, work
    on my weapons and do my own mait on the place. Clothes
    were never a big deal to me so I shop J.C. Penny's when they
    send coupons. Work supplies my costumes for that..

    That's it. I have about 170 or so on the CC which is not much
    compared to a 9,000 limit. I just don't have that much going
    on for expenses. Once a year I send the insurance company
    around 280.00 to 300.00 for the home. That's it. I spend a
    lot of time looking for and at coupons from places like
    Techbargins.com and use an online site for eats coupons.

    We have some local stores that sell eats and the like fairly
    cheap and I know the 99+ store in and out.

    http://grocerycoupons.com/
    Last edited by no2guncntrl; 07-03-2009 at 06:16 PM.

  4. #229
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    i still can't beleive it.

    how much do you spend on food anyway?
    Max Plank: "A new scientific truth does not
    triumph by convincing its opponents and making them
    see the light,
    but rather because its opponents eventually die"
    Arthur Shopenhauer: "Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized.
    First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is opposed. Third, it is regarded as self evident."
    Martin Niemöller:
    "When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;I was not a communist.
    When they locked up the social democrats,I remained silent;
    I was not a social democrat.When they came for the trade unionists,I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.When they came for the Jews,
    I remained silent;I wasn't a Jew.When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out."

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    Well I don't know what to tell ya..I spend maybe 45 or 50 on food
    for a 1 1/2 to two week run. It's not that hard. One doesn't have
    to buy name brands. I buy a lot of canned veggies and soup from
    a local store. Heck they had 3 batches of green onions for .99
    cents. 5lb bag of potatoes for .99. Sara Lee whole wheat bread
    for 1.99 with an extra loaf for free. 5lbs Watermelon for .99.
    Roma Tomatoes 2lbs for .99. Ya just have to look around.
    This place is called Groceries For Less.

    Stater Bros out here in Ca has certain sales going on now..Check
    it out. I'll buy some of their cherries and some chicken tits for 1.97
    They have sales and then I add the coupons, one would be surprised
    how much one saves.

    www.staterbros.com
    Weekly ad for the 4th

    If eats are taking a lot of your income, you might find this article helpful. I've been
    doing most of this for a long time. Only way to save money on eats..

    http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.../BIZ/906280303
    Last edited by no2guncntrl; 07-03-2009 at 06:34 PM.

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    i guess some of the cost is because i eat organic and like to know how my food was made.

    how many calories a day do you eat (i'm at about 4000)?
    Max Plank: "A new scientific truth does not
    triumph by convincing its opponents and making them
    see the light,
    but rather because its opponents eventually die"
    Arthur Shopenhauer: "Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized.
    First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is opposed. Third, it is regarded as self evident."
    Martin Niemöller:
    "When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;I was not a communist.
    When they locked up the social democrats,I remained silent;
    I was not a social democrat.When they came for the trade unionists,I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.When they came for the Jews,
    I remained silent;I wasn't a Jew.When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out."

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    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/hos...form?dist=news

    U.S. hospitals agreed to contribute $155 billion over 10 years toward insuring the 47 million uninsured Americans, the Washington Post reported Tuesday.

    Citing two industry sources, the Post reported that about $100 billion in savings would come through lower-than-expected Medicare and Medicaid payments to hospitals.

    About $40 billion would be saved by slowly reducing what hospitals receive to care for the uninsured, the Post said. But the reductions probably wouldn't begin for several years, after a significant number of people have enrolled in the new insurance programs, the newspaper reported.

    Meanwhile, the Post reported that hospital officials have an understanding that if the final health-care reform legislation includes a new government-sponsored insurance program, it won't pay at Medicare or Medicaid reimbursement rates. The hospital industry has long argued that those rates don't cover the cost of services.
    I have so many questions after reading this....
    "We say in our platform that we believe that the right to coin money and issue money is a function of government....

    Those who are opposed to this proposition tell us that the issue of paper money is a function of the bank and that the government ought to go out of the banking business. I stand with Jefferson rather than with them, and tell them, as he did, that the issue of money is a function of the government and that the banks should go out of the governing business."

    William Jennings Bryan.

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    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    The Video That Could Kill ObamaCare

    A Canadian woman stuck in a Socialized health care system develops symptoms and tries to get treatment, and despite the fact that her doctors pulled every string they could to move her up on the waiting list, the Government doesn't get it done.

    Listen to the anger and betrayal at the end when she realizes that the government she has trusted her entire life screwed her over in her moment of need. Let's show this to Democrats before the vote on Nationalized health care. I'd really prefer not to have to post stories like this featuring distraught Americans who can't believe that Barack Obama's health care plan is responsible for the death their child solely because the waiting list for life-saving treatment from a specialist was too long.


    So she not only had to come to the United States for the surgery, which saved her vision, the free health care cost her family and friends over $100,000.00 out of pocket.

    This is precisely the kind of rationing we will be looking at under Obamacare. And when Obama says you can keep your doctor under his plan, it is really irrelevant because he forgets to mention that it is the bureaucrat who will decide what treatment you get, not your doctor. After all, this woman's physicians tried everything they could to get her the care, but the government still declined.

    The problem is, once Obama ruins the American health care system, there will be nowhere left to go. This lady would be blind.

    Tags: Obama, health care,
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Good example of what happens when the gubberment competes with the private sector... the private sector disappears.

    Ironic Gratitude for Charlie Crist

    Maybe we should be grateful to Gov. Charlie Crist of Florida for showing us exactly what happens to an insurance market when a taxpayer-funded "public plan" (Florida's Citizens Property Insurance Corp.) of insurance is introduced into the marketplace, ("Hurricane Charlie," Review & Outlook, June 29).

    Florida's public plan isn't funded by actuarially computed reserves that equate risk with premium, but is funded by a taxpayer guarantee to make up for inadequate premiums when large claims inevitably occur.

    The private property insurers either cease to operate in the state, in competition with the public plan, or drastically decrease their market availability, leaving the underfunded public plan as virtually the sole source of coverage. This is exactly what happened with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. As Rep. Barney Frank advocated, we (the taxpayers), rolled the dice, but we lost.

    This is precisely what will happen if the announced plan of the administration is enacted to introduce a public plan of insurance into the national health-care marketplace. It will be the sole source of health-insurance coverage, inevitably, and taxpayers will once again understand what happens when we legislatively "roll the dice."


    William Stephenson
    Princeton, N.J.
    The gubberment rolls the bones.. if they hit craps.. you lose.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Obamacare’s “public plan” is built on a Medicare myth

    When Pres. Obama did his hour-long pitch for a government takeover of the US healthcare system on ABCNews, he offered a standard defense of a government-run insurance plan:

    The concern, [Charlie] Gibson articulated, is that such a plan wouldn’t be offered on a level playing field.
    The president rebuffed that, arguing that “we can set up a public option where they’re collecting premiums just like any private insurer and doctors can collect rates,” but because the public plan will have lower administrative costs “we can keep them [private insurance companies] honest.”
    However, the same day Pres. Obama said that, the Heritage Foundation issued a report by Robert A. Book, Ph.D., showing that:

    [O]n a per-person basis Medicare’s administrative costs are actually higher than those of private insurance–this despite the fact that private insurance companies do incur several categories of costs that do not apply to Medicare.
    Pointing this out is sufficiently dangerous to the Left that New York Times columnist Paul Krugman attacked Book’s study — or, more accurately, attacked the Heritage Foundation, as ad hominem is twice as good coming from someone who used to advise Enron. Unfortunately for Krugman, the NYT allows comments, thus allowing Book to embarrass Krugman on his own site.
    Moreover, Krugman’s attempted attack did not even address the point Book made in passing, but which Merrill Matthews notes with a bit more detail:

    Public figures for Medicare’s administrative costs count only what it takes to print reimbursement checks. Normal operating costs — rent, management, health insurance, taxes, capital to start a business and new equipment — which private insurers must include in their administrative costs, are counted elsewhere in the federal budget.

    Official Medicare administrative costs simply exclude what most companies must include. No administrative cost savings exist in the public plan, and the true costs will never be counted because they’ll be hidden in the federal budget.
    For that matter, as Shikha Dalmia recently pointed out:

    [L]ower administrative costs do not necessarily mean greater efficiency. Indeed, the Congressional Budget Office analysis last year chastised Medicare’s lax attitude on this front. “The traditional fee-for-service Medicare program does relatively little to manage benefits, which tends to reduce its administrative costs but may raise its overall spending relative to a more tightly managed approach,” it noted on page 93.
    In short, Medicare — our already-existing government-run health insurer — does not have lower adminsitrative costs. That myth is based on fuzzy math, the program’s own laxity, and the fact that it gets to hide its costs elsewhere in the federal budget. Indeed, that last factor is the sort of unfair competition that is essential to the government-run plan envisioned by the Left. Pres. Obama claims he wants to keep private insurers honest, but he’s not being honest himself.

    (Thanks to Craig Newmark via Mary Katharine Ham.)
    This post was promoted from GreenRoom to HotAir.com.
    To see the comments on the original post, look here.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    A government plan with "Lower administrative costs" - now I've heard it all.....

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    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1247...mEditorialPage
    In a rational world, the prognosis for ObamaCare would wait on the evidence in Massachusetts, given that the commonwealth's 2006 program closely resembles what Democrats are trying to do in Washington. If the results were widely known, it might be dead on arrival.
    The Massachusetts law, which was championed by former GOP Governor Mitt Romney, imposed an individual mandate, requiring nearly all residents to buy health insurance or else pay a penalty. (The exceptions are those who qualify for the state's public program.) This was supposed to cover everybody and save money too. We've written before about how costs have exploded, but it also turns out that consumers have other ideas.
    Brian

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    Krugman...

    ObamaCare = General Motors

    I just caught up on posts over at The Next Right blog, where the future of the Republican Party, or something to replace it that has balls, brains and wider appeal, is discussed. My friend Jon Henke posted this one last week drawing on my other friend Don Luskin’s favorite incompetent NYTs economist (Luskin gave me my start in blogging in 2004 at his blog The Conspiracy To Keep You Poor And Stupid)


    A Universal Health Care Economy
    Submitted by Jon Henke on Fri, 07/03/2009 - 09:23

    Paul Krugman, 2005, saying universal health care would make us more like GM...

    "Why should we be a country in which hard working people aren't guaranteed health care if they need it? ... But the problem is that ... our economy is starting to look more like Wal-Mart and less like General Motors in the good days. The share of workers who get benefits at all is declining and the quality of the benefits."


    Wal-Mart is very profitable. GM filed for bankruptcy.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Just wow:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090715/..._care_overhaul


    "WASHINGTON – House Democratic leaders, pledging to meet the president's goal of health care legislation before their August break, are offering a $1.5 trillion plan that for the first time would make health care a right and a responsibility for all Americans. Left to pick up most of the tab were medical providers, employers and the wealthy.

    "We cannot allow this issue to be delayed. We cannot put it off again," Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., the chairman of the House Energy and Commerce committee, said Tuesday. "We, quite frankly, cannot go home for a recess unless the House and the Senate both pass bills to reform and restructure our health care system."

    In the Senate, Majority Leader Harry Reid said he wanted floor debate to begin a week from Monday. With the Senate Finance Committee still struggling to reach consensus, that timetable could slip. Even so, it underscored a renewed sense of urgency.

    Obama himself was driving the action, going off-script to push the issue during a speech in Michigan and scheduling a Rose Garden news conference for Wednesday to make more comments on the topic.

    "There's going to be a major debate over the next three weeks," Obama said in Warren, Mich., deviating from his prepared text on new spending for community colleges. "And don't be fooled by folks trying to scare you saying we can't change the health care system. We have no choice but to change the health care system because right now it's broken for too many Americans."

    All involved were mindful of the dwindling days before Congress leaves town. Obama wants legislation through the House and Senate before then to slow rising costs and extend coverage to some 50 million uninsured Americans.

    Under the House Democrats' plan, the federal government would be responsible for ensuring that every person, regardless of income or the state of their health, has access to an affordable insurance plan. Individuals and employers would have new obligations to get coverage, or face hefty penalties.

    The legislation calls for a 5.4 percent tax increase on individuals making more than $1 million a year, with a gradual tax beginning at $280,000 for individuals. Employers who don't provide coverage would be hit with a penalty equal to 8 percent of workers' wages, with an exemption for small businesses. Individuals who decline an offer of affordable coverage would pay 2.5 percent of their incomes as a penalty, up to the average cost of a health insurance plan.

    The liberal-leaning plan lacked figures on total costs, but a House Democratic aide said the total bill would add up to about $1.5 trillion over 10 years. The aide spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the private calculations.

    Three House committees will begin voting on the bill Thursday. Changes in the legislation are likely to satisfy a group of moderate and conservative Democrats who are withholding support.

    The 1,000-page bill is unlikely to attract any Republican backing, and business groups and the insurance industry immediately assailed it as a job-killer.

    The business groups also warned that the U.S. health care system could be damaged by adding a government-run insurance plan and a federal council that would make some decisions on benefits, as called for in the legislation. Thirty-one organizations signed the letter, including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the Business Roundtable representing top corporate CEOs and the National Retail Federation.

    The House bill seemed unlikely to win broad backing in the Senate, where the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee was expected to finish its version of the legislation Wednesday in what was looking to be a party-line vote.

    The Finance Committee was striving to produce a bill by the end of the week, though the committee's chairman, Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., acknowledged it would be a challenge to meet Obama's timeline.

    "I think it's a lift but one we could accomplish, one we could handle," Baucus said. "I'm not going to guarantee that it's going to happen.""


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