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  1. #2806
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal View Post
    Even the Great American Pharoah cant turn a turd into caviar

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...Xa7W_blog.html

    Note to Obama: Business are laughing at your position and ignorance.
    What concerns me the most is how easily the American people can be duped into electing him president by kindergarten style campaign slogans. I mean come on, if you couldn't see through those paper thin feel good "hope and change" chants to the man behind them that obviously had no clue how to run the greatest country on Earth, much less a Banana Republic, well....I can't help but feel very concerned about the future of this country.

  2. #2807
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    If Obumblercare is suppose to be so good for us, why might it
    kill our wallets ? For instance, those who like Big Macs, get ready
    for a "big' rise in the cost to buy one ?
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/will-o...-big-mac-.html
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    In exchange for lower health premiums under Obamacare, experts say shoppers could pay higher prices on everything from printer paper to French fries.

    Complying with the Affordable Care Act will cost as much as $420 million annually, McDonald’s CFO Peter Bensen said during a conference call Monday, according to CFO Journal. And when the new law goes fully into effect in 2014, it’s possible menu prices will be raised to cover the health costs.

    Analysts say businesses with a large number of hourly wage workers, who traditionally had minimal or no health insurance—from fast food joints to retailers—may have to adopt a similar strategy. “I would expect prices at McDonald’s (MCD) to go up,” says Les Funtleyder, who manages a health care fund at Poliwogg, a hedge and venture capital firm. (A McDonald’s spokeswoman says the company doesn’t set prices for its franchised restaurants, which represent about 90% of its 14,000 U.S. outposts, and that “it would be premature and inaccurate to speculate on raising menu prices to offset these costs.”)

    But experts say the price hikes could extend beyond chicken McNuggets. Some analysts believe companies may use health care as an excuse to raise prices, even if the added costs don’t warrant the increase. Peter Saleh, a restaurant analyst at Telsey Advisory Group, expects sit-down diners at restaurants like The Olive Garden, owned by Darden Restaurants (DRI), and The Cheesecake Factory (CAKE), which own a greater proportion of their locations than some fast food chains, to eventually pay at least 2% more to eat there. But Saleh says it’s too soon to know how the companies will cope with the new mandates: “A lot of them at this point aren’t willing to give us estimates about it.”

    Businesses bracing for additional costs as a result of the health-care law tend to be those that previously provided barebones coverage, or so-called “mini-med plans,” which charge low premiums but provide limited benefits, according to a spokesman for the Department of Health and Human Services. These companies represent less than 2% of the market, according to the spokesman. Starbucks, on the other hand, doesn’t anticipate additional expenses to insure its employees because its benefits already meet the standards of theAffordable Care Act, CFO Journal reports.

    Even if companies haven’t publicly discussed whether their increased health-care costs will trickle down to their price tags, executives have floated the possibility in meetings with investment pros. Nicholas Oleson, a financial planner with The Philadelphia Group, says his clients at large pharmaceutical and software companies have suggested that they may raise prices 2 or 3% while their employees pay up to 7% more in insurance premiums.

  3. #2808
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    I just found out that this asinine 'health' law, doesn't require
    illegal aliens to buy health insurance. So who ends up paying
    for these scabs ? Guess..
    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...154832135.html
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    Emergency rooms are required to take in all patients, insured or uninsured, under a federal law signed by President Ronald Reagan. The government used a pot of about $20 billion to reimburse hospitals each year for this care. But that pot is going to be cut in half by 2019, under the reasoning that the health care law will dramatically cut the number of people who don't have insurance, thus saving hospitals money. The calculation leaves out one key group of uninsured people: illegal immigrants, who will not be required to buy health insurance or be eligible for Medicaid, or be allowed to purchase insurance on state-run exchanges under the law.

  4. #2809
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    ^^^ So ya need to be a citizen to [be forced to] buy Obamacare, pay school taxes, etc., but not to get free healthcare, free schooling, college subsidies, etc.

    Figures.

    Come on in, the weather's great!!!

  5. #2810
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by no2guncntrl View Post
    I just found out that this asinine 'health' law, doesn't require
    illegal aliens to buy health insurance. So who ends up paying
    for these scabs ? Guess..
    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...154832135.html
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    Earlier proposals that addressed illegal immigrants were scrapped during the health care debate after they drew controversy.
    Wonder why? I don't.

    Here's another more defined problem...
    Aurora Shooting Victims Hurt by Lack of Health Insurance
    The Aurora theater shooting has spurred new debates about gun control laws in America, but could it also play a role in the ongoing health care debate? Three of the five hospitals that treated victims of the shooting say they will limit or even forgive medical bills for patients who were wounded in the attack, many of whom are still being treated. Most of the wounded are expected to have medical costs in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars and many appear to have inadequate or non-existent coverage.


    Some people have already been quick to point out that the hospitals wouldn't need to forgive those costs, if President Obama's health care reforms had already taken effect and everyone involved was already covered by health insurance. It was just last month that the Supreme Court issued its major ruling on the constitutionality of the individual insurance mandate, which is part of the health care reform law that many in the Republican party still hope to repeal. That mandate was specifically created to avoid scenarios like this one, when an otherwise healthy, but uninsured person receives a potentially catastrophic injury.
    Thomas Jefferson to John Page Fairfeilds Dec: 25. 1762.
    ... But the old-fellows say we must read to gain knowledge; and gain knowledge to make us happy and be admired. Mere jargon! Is there any such thing as happiness in this world? No: And as for admiration I am sure the man who powders most, parfumes most, embroiders most, and talks most nonsense, is most admired.

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by no2guncntrl View Post
    If Obumblercare is suppose to be so good for us, why might it
    kill our wallets ? For instance, those who like Big Macs, get ready
    for a "big' rise in the cost to buy one ?
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/will-o...-big-mac-.html
    excerpt
    Aside from reading your quote and seeing that Starbucks sees no increase in cost while McDonald's might because of crappy limited coverage they currently offer, I don't see how the only number, 2%, means anything big. Seems like Starbucks was the only company able to give an actual number.

    There is one solution that takes the cost of health out away from US businesses and allows them to compete with the rest of the world. But you guys call it socialism even though it's a hit with the seniors.
    Thomas Jefferson to John Page Fairfeilds Dec: 25. 1762.
    ... But the old-fellows say we must read to gain knowledge; and gain knowledge to make us happy and be admired. Mere jargon! Is there any such thing as happiness in this world? No: And as for admiration I am sure the man who powders most, parfumes most, embroiders most, and talks most nonsense, is most admired.

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    Wonder why? I don't.

    Here's another more defined problem...
    Aurora Shooting Victims Hurt by Lack of Health Insurance

    When Obamacare is fully enforced the critically wounded probably would have been left to die on a gurney in triage.

  8. #2813
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    There is one solution that takes the cost of health out away from US businesses and allows them to compete with the rest of the world. But you guys call it socialism even though it's a hit with the seniors.
    Oh yeah... take the cost away from column A, add about 20% and put it in column B. Problem solved!!! And we get a bigger gubberment!!! Awesome...

    Mr. Obambi, please forward otoc his free monthly supply of contraceptives, 'cause he's in the collective, so we can compete with the world. Forward!!!

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    But you guys call it socialism even though it's a hit with the seniors.

    Iím a senior and it sure the fu*k ainít a hit with me. Which seniors are you talking about the ones that have already lost most of their marbles?

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    Aside from reading your quote and seeing that Starbucks sees no increase in cost while McDonald's might because of crappy limited coverage they currently offer, I don't see how the only number, 2%, means anything big. Seems like Starbucks was the only company able to give an actual number.

    There is one solution that takes the cost of health out away from US businesses and allows them to compete with the rest of the world. But you guys call it socialism even though it's a hit with the seniors.
    Yeah, like tucker says, how many old people like dealing with Medicare? I'm sure they like having their bills paid, but it's government bureaucracy at its worst. You got Medicare Part A, Part B, Part C, Part D, Medicare Advantage, the doughnut hole, etc. etc. It's not exactly a simplified system. I'm sure all the senior citizens love figuring it out.

  11. #2816
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Keven View Post
    Yeah, like tucker says, how many old people like dealing with Medicare? I'm sure they like having their bills paid, but it's government bureaucracy at its worst. You got Medicare Part A, Part B, Part C, Part D, Medicare Advantage, the doughnut hole, etc. etc. It's not exactly a simplified system. I'm sure all the senior citizens love figuring it out.
    You are sure of nothing. I handled the end of life care for both my parents as their proxy. I observed nothing of the kind except wonderful care and no bureaucracy because of doctors. All you and tucker can give are maybes. Hey tucker, you getting good care? You are old enough. You fear during on a gurney?
    Thomas Jefferson to John Page Fairfeilds Dec: 25. 1762.
    ... But the old-fellows say we must read to gain knowledge; and gain knowledge to make us happy and be admired. Mere jargon! Is there any such thing as happiness in this world? No: And as for admiration I am sure the man who powders most, parfumes most, embroiders most, and talks most nonsense, is most admired.

  12. #2817
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    Oh yeah... take the cost away from column A, add about 20% and put it in column B. Problem solved!!! And we get a bigger gubberment!!! Awesome...

    Mr. Obambi, please forward otoc his free monthly supply of contraceptives, 'cause he's in the collective, so we can compete with the world. Forward!!!
    Sure Dutch. Another post of yours with nothing but sarcasm.
    Thomas Jefferson to John Page Fairfeilds Dec: 25. 1762.
    ... But the old-fellows say we must read to gain knowledge; and gain knowledge to make us happy and be admired. Mere jargon! Is there any such thing as happiness in this world? No: And as for admiration I am sure the man who powders most, parfumes most, embroiders most, and talks most nonsense, is most admired.

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    You are sure of nothing. I handled the end of life care for both my parents as their proxy. I observed nothing of the kind except wonderful care and no bureaucracy because of doctors. All you and tucker can give are maybes.
    Hmmm, another liberal with a story about the wonders of government provided health care...

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Keven View Post
    Hmmm, another liberal with a story about the wonders of government provided health care...
    No, someone with direct experience trying to have a conversation with a kid that has none on the topic. All you can give are canned talking points. Fine. You have an opinion.
    Thomas Jefferson to John Page Fairfeilds Dec: 25. 1762.
    ... But the old-fellows say we must read to gain knowledge; and gain knowledge to make us happy and be admired. Mere jargon! Is there any such thing as happiness in this world? No: And as for admiration I am sure the man who powders most, parfumes most, embroiders most, and talks most nonsense, is most admired.

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    No, someone with direct experience trying to have a conversation with a kid that has none on the topic. All you can give are canned talking points. Fine. You have an opinion.
    Conversation? No, you've never had a conversation here. Ever. All you know how to do is constantly belittle, insult and antagonize people who have contradicting viewpoints from your own. Tell me, otoc, why is it that discussions here involving Meridian or BlackDragon or Phopojijo never devolve to the name-calling that every one you're involved with seems to? I would love to have a civil debate with you, but you're always the first to start name calling.

    Like your silly "kid" comment. Obviously thrown in there to get under my skin because, despite being an asshole, you are obviously rather intelligent (in an apex predator sort of way) and you know that I have a short fuse and go off quite easily. So, rather than calming explaining your own family history with Medicare and the program's advantages, you saw an opportunity to set me off and deliberated baited me, like you constantly do.

    Now, you're going to reply to this with some quick quib like "Young man, I did nothing of the sort. etc. etc." But come on now, otoc. Man to man. Ignore the computer screens for a second. You and I both know that you enjoy pushing people's buttons. You're an expert at setting off myself and a few others here. So, if you ever want to drop the cunning bully act and have a serious discussion with me where we both respect each other and each other's points of view - fine.

    As far as Medicare, no, I haven't been a primary caregiver for somebody in the system, but I have had a few grandparents who had difficulties with the system. I remember my material grandmother complaining about the complexity of Medicare Part D when it was introduced (admittedly, a Republican invention). I remember my paternal grandmother getting billed $75 by Medicare for a $100 test because they deemed it medically unnecessary. With a Google search, I can produce tons of examples from strangers where they can't afford the copays or their drugs or they're stuck in the Medicare donut hole.

    From the outside looking in, it seems to be an incredibly complex and bloated system. I'm amazed that the elderly can even navigate it, although as you know, a great deal of the burden of the work is on the part of the doctors.

    I'm glad your parents had good EOL care from Medicare. I really am. Despite your assumptions about my naivete, I know first-hand how hard that phase of somebody's life can be on everybody around them. But, I follow government and politics quite closely, and I'm not convinced that Medicare is perfect right now. I'm not convinced that blowing up Medicare to cover everybody of all ages is a perfect solution to our nation's healthcare problems.

    Finally, I reject your notion that because I'm a "kid" I know nothing about Medicare. One of the problems facing our country is that people my age know nothing about the major entitlements (Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid/ObamaCare). By the time a generation is well versed enough in these issues, they're already old enough that they're planning on retiring on it and they refuse to accept any changes to them. Despite the canned talking points you like to repeat, these programs are getting bigger and bigger and costing the American taxpayer more and more every year. They are outpacing GDP at a catastrophic rate and need to be reformed.

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