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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    ^^^^ The vast majority of the political violence comes from the left... they own it.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    ObamaCare problems deepen, as Senate bill sidelined

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...sidelined.html

    Obambicare problems deepen, surprise, surprice... Probably the worse problem Obambi left behind for Trump to cleanup. Obambi started socialist healthcare for the whole country no matter what else happens he owns the nightmare... Dumb really dumb...
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    ^^^ Well I don't know about Obamacare being the "Worst" problem Obama left behind for Trump to clean up.....after all there's North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Syria, ISIS, Afghanistan, the economy, liberal hostility.....

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    ^^^ Yup one giant cluster f*** ...
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Sessions, Price announce significant law enforcement actions

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/550610536...#sp=watch-live

    Healthcare fraud another Obambicare strong point...
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Rep. Crowley: Democrats still waiting for GOP to reach out
    Jul. 13, 2017 - 5:47 - Chairman of the Democratic Caucus talks prospects of bipartisan health care reform

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/550633162...#sp=show-clips

    Waiting for the republicans to reach out. Like Obambi and Pelosi reached out to the republicans before they jammed Obambicare down everybody's throat.
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    yeah, whatever

    The Real Story of Obamacare's Birth

    In the House, that lesson was not applicable this time; Eric Cantor and House Republicans had already made it crystal clear that they were not cooperating under any circumstances. There, Democrats debated the issue for several months, but mostly amongst themselves, before introducing a detailed bill that emerged from committees in July 2009 and passing it through the House later in the year with just one Republican vote.
    What became clear before September, when the talks fell apart, is that Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell had warned both Grassley and Enzi that their futures in the Senate would be much dimmer if they moved toward a deal with the Democrats that would produce legislation to be signed by Barack Obama. They both listened to their leader. An early embrace by both of the framework turned to shrill anti-reform rhetoric by Grassley—talking, for example, about death panels that would kill grandma—and statements by Enzi that he was not going to sign on to a deal. The talks, nonetheless, continued into September, and the emerging plan was at least accepted in its first major test by the third Republican Gang member, Olympia Snowe (even if she later joined every one of her colleagues to vote against the plan on the floor of the Senate.)

    Obama could have moved earlier to blow the whistle on the faux negotiations; he did not, as he held out hope that a plan that was fundamentally built on Republican ideas would still, in the end, garner at least some Republican support. He and Senate Democratic leaders held their fire even as Grassley and Enzi, in the negotiations, fought for some serious changes in a plan that neither would ever consider supporting in the end. If Obama had, as conventional wisdom holds, jammed health reform through at the earliest opportunity, there would have been votes in the Senate Finance Committee in June or July of 2009, as there were in the House. Instead, the votes came significantly later.

    To be sure, the extended negotiations via the Gang of Six made a big difference in the ultimate success of the reform, but for other reasons. When Republicans like Hatch and Grassley began to write op-eds and trash the individual mandate, which they had earlier championed, as unconstitutional and abominable, it convinced conservative Democrats in the Senate that every honest effort to engage Republicans in the reform effort had been tried and cynically rebuffed. So when the crucial votes came in the Senate, in late December 2009, Harry Reid succeeded in the near-impossible feat of getting all 60 Democrats, from Socialist Bernie Sanders and liberal Barbara Boxer to conservatives Joe Lieberman, Ben Nelson, Mark Pryor, and Blanche Lincoln, to vote for cloture, to end the Republican filibuster, and to pass their version of the bill. All sixty were needed because every single Republican in the Senate voted against cloture and against the bill. Was this simply a matter of principle? The answer to that question was provided at a later point by Mitch McConnell, who made clear that the unified opposition was a ruthlessly pragmatic political tactic. He said, “It was absolutely critical that everybody be together because if the proponents of the bill were able to say it was bipartisan, it tended to convey to the public that this is O.K., they must have figured it out.”
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    ^^ Revisionist history. The way I remember it there was no attempt from Harry, Nancy or Obambi to negotiate. With the democrats it's always been their way or no way no matter what. Just like Crybaby Chucky and Nutty Nancy today.
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    it's congressional record. it's you that's the revisionist.

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by baghdad bob View Post
    it's congressional record. it's you that's the revisionist.

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    Are you saying the article in the Atlantic is congressional record. It looks more like an editorial to me...
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    I tune out nearly immediately whenever the left starts pimping "the real story. . ." on any issue. I'm not interested in their revisionist history of events I lived through.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by baghdad bob View Post


    Quote Originally Posted by tucker View Post
    ^^ Revisionist history. The way I remember it there was no attempt from Harry, Nancy or Obambi to negotiate. With the democrats it's always been their way or no way no matter what. Just like Crybaby Chucky and Nutty Nancy today.
    Quote Originally Posted by baghdad bob View Post
    it's congressional record. it's you that's the revisionist.

    bb


    Quote Originally Posted by tucker View Post
    Are you saying the article in the Atlantic is congressional record. It looks more like an editorial to me...
    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    I tune out nearly immediately whenever the left starts pimping "the real story. . ." on any issue. I'm not interested in their revisionist history of events I lived through.
    "Congresional Record" straight out of The Atlantic - didn't you guys know that The Atlantic keeps all Congressional Records on Obamacare?






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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by baghdad bob View Post
    it's congressional record. it's you that's the revisionist.

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    You'll have to excuse the handful. While I can't read all posts by choice, I do know that they don't realize they have a choice to understand the difference between an article based on fact and the alt reality they find easier to support the bias.
    Thomas Jefferson to John Page Fairfeilds Dec: 25. 1762.
    ... But the old-fellows say we must read to gain knowledge; and gain knowledge to make us happy and be admired. Mere jargon! Is there any such thing as happiness in this world? No: And as for admiration I am sure the man who powders most, parfumes most, embroiders most, and talks most nonsense, is most admired.

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TicToc View Post


    You'll have to excuse the handful. While I can't read all posts by choice, I do know that they don't realize they have a choice to understand the difference between an article based on fact and the alt reality they find easier to support the bias.
    Excuse "the handful" ROFL......you're a walking, talking violation of the laws of nature.


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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by baghdad bob View Post
    Without bothering to read the Atlantic's latest version of history, I'd wager there's lots of verbage about it being based on Republican ideas, no mention of the Christmas eve Senate vote, no mention of failed promises, and no mention of the tax vs. fee debate.

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