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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by liteman View Post
    Guess what, you can keep them if you want. Germany has UHC and private insurance and it works fine there.

    I love the repug arguement that the gov't will be between you and your doctor, right now the insurance company is the one telling you how much help you'll get and you don't seem to mind.
    You can sue an insurance company if they mess with your care. You can't sue the government.
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by bk94si View Post
    Fast food is a result of prosperity. They don't have too many McDonalds in Afghanistan or New Guinea because few can afford to pay for it. Having money does not make people wise.
    Thay have McDonalds in a lot of industrialized nations and their quality of health is better than ours. You can always find an excuse if you look hard enough.
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by bk94si View Post
    You can sue an insurance company if they mess with your care. You can't sue the government.
    Gee, I thought you conservatives claim the high cost of mal-practice insurance as one of the factors for our high health costs.

    So, you are all for the lawsuits against doctors. good to hear.
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Poci View Post
    Even if the uninsured # is indeed flawed, SO WHAT???

    What if it were 200 people out of the whole country that are uninsured.
    Are they not entitled to health care?



    Im trying to figure out if you would say the same thing a year ago when your idols were in office

    I didnt have any idols in office a year ago where you get that from? I wasnt for free health care when GW was president either theres nothing to figure out GANJY.

    See everyone is entitled to health care its just not free and never will be free even with this bull shit Obama care. No where in the constitution does it say our government is required to provide all its people with free health care insurance we are not entitled to that anymore than we are entitled to free car insurance,free house insurance, free food insurance, free dental insurance or any kind of other free insurance.

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by liteman View Post
    Gee, I thought you conservatives claim the high cost of mal-practice insurance as one of the factors for our high health costs.

    So, you are all for the lawsuits against doctors. good to hear.
    Not against all lawsuits. Never said I was. But a $5 million settlement because of an unavoidable bad surgical outcome (yes, there is such a thing) is outrageous. It also drives up costs as doctors do things like C-sections to avoid lawsuits.
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    right now the insurance company is the one telling you how much help you'll get and you don't seem to mind.
    See I am getting what I pay for I know up front what I get. Sadly when I am the one paying for your health care I wont get to tell you what you get for my money. And I can assure you wont get half as much as I am paying for now.

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    So, what's your take on people with pre-existing conditions not being able to afford\get healthcare?

    Do you just say f**k 'em they don't deserve to live?
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by liteman View Post
    We are dead last in equality of healthcare between rich and poor. Reading is FUNdemental.
    It's funny how liberals react when asked to back their numbers/claims up.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by /\/\adGamer View Post
    See I am getting what I pay for I know up front what I get. Sadly when I am the one paying for your health care I wont get to tell you what you get for my money. And I can assure you wont get half as much as I am paying for now.
    And there is the problem, only the well-off can get quality healthcare. Many people with "good" insurance die because their company denied them the care\ tests they really needed.

    I hope you never have to find out the hard way.
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    It's funny how liberals react when asked to back their numbers/claims up.
    I wasn't quoting anyone, I was making a statement. Please show me how there is no differance in quality of healthcare between the rich and poor.

    Name one industrialized nation that has worse healthcare for the poor than us.
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by liteman View Post
    So, what's your take on people with pre-existing conditions not being able to afford\get healthcare?

    Do you just say f**k 'em they don't deserve to live?
    They are already getting care.

    On that note though, another problem is people who choose to not have insurance even though they can afford it and then try to get insurance when they find out they have something wrong with them. Shutting the barn door after the horse is gone.
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by liteman View Post
    I wasn't quoting anyone, I was making a statement. Please show me how there is no differance in quality of healthcare between the rich and poor.
    Exactly... you made a statement of fact with nothing whatsoever to back it up. If you are not quoting anyone.. and have no data to support your claims.. your "statement" aint worth jack sh*t. Kinda like "saving or creating" jobs.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by bk94si View Post
    They are already getting care.

    On that note though, another problem is people who choose to not have insurance even though they can afford it and then try to get insurance when they find out they have something wrong with them. Shutting the barn door after the horse is gone.

    They are? Who's giving them care? Maybe the really poor, but not those earning their way.
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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    And there is the problem, only the well-off can get quality healthcare
    I am far from well off. Ive been in the position of not being insured and the quality of care I got then was still outstanding it just wasn't free tho. I worked thru the hardship and still to this day wouldnt have it any other way. People like you trying to peddle the notion we need to be more like the other failed socialist countries is comical. These other countries turn down or better yet stall out and hender more people then our system now.Talk about people who die trying to get a transplant past the age of 50 in one of those countries. try getting something life saving done while in your 70's or 80's there too. This whole "we need a free health care plan"like the socialist europee ons is a joke. Like I said we cant afford this crap its not free. It's going to end up costing us ALL more in the long run then what we have now. Watch as we get closer to this debate in washington DC the cost is going to be the deal breaker.

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    Re: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    Exactly... you made a statement of fact with nothing whatsoever to back it up. If you are not quoting anyone.. and have no data to support your claims.. your "statement" aint worth jack sh*t. Kinda like "saving or creating" jobs.
    Then you should have no problem answering my question. Name one industrialized country that has worse healthcare for the poor than the U.S..
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