How could AMD beat intel?

[Brandito]

Brandito keeps posting over and over his opinions about this topic.

well i'll be, i have done that!

[Sihastru]

We have been through this over and over, Yea, AMD is slower and cheaper than Intel and PC manufacturers most often choose Intel because of the way Intel offers rebates if they only use Intel (Unfair business practices).

There said.

Offering rebates is not an unfair business practice. Offering product bundles is not an unfair business practice.

Paying someone off (offering bribes) to expressly not use the competition's products is. Offering the bribe is wrong, accepting the bribe is worse. It takes at least two to complete a transaction.

You're saying that Newegg should not offer any rebates to any products because it's unfair to other shops. You're saying that a certain auto dealer should not offer any rebates because it's unfair to other dealers.

They are not doing this to make you feel better. They are doing it so that you feel that you're getting a better deal and buy from them and not from someone else... It's called competition. It drives the market.

[TheGlasMan]

Paying someone off (offering bribes) to expressly not use the competition's products is. Offering the bribe is wrong, accepting the bribe is worse. It takes at least two to complete a transaction.

This is what intel was doing. As well as threatening their supply. AMD at one point offered HP free cpu's, and they would not accept. HP later became one of the first to offer AMD based computers.

[Poci]

AMD at one point offered HP free cpu's,

Huh? Wouldnt they lose money if they did that?

[Pixels303]

Bulldozer 8 Cores late in the game may turn a few heads. Lets hope they are on time with this one:

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16353/1/

As for Sihastru, valid points, but if you look at the way they did it, I would rather buy AMD because of how they compete. My own ISP does the same crap to me and nobody is taking them to court. It is nobody's business who I buy from, and when they come up and demand more money when they claim I use someone else, it pisses me off. It takes people with a wide view to understand how corporations work and how it plays with reference to the economy we have today. If you let them get away with unfair business practices, it becomes a dog eat dog world, where nobody can be trusted and everyone strives to rip each other off.

[Windrunner]

They really need to get some form of SMT. Bulldozer may have 8 cores, but if Intel launches an 8 core part with 16 threads, it'll just slaughter bulldozer.

You may disagree with how your ISP competes, but do you own an xbox 360? They pretty much stole CPU tech from Sony because Sony kept an open contract with IBM out of good will.

Sony isn't clean itself, Securom is essentially an advertising campaign for console games.

Seriously though, AMD will be fine, don't use inferior technology for a job that needs superior tech. This was true back in the prescot days, it's still true now.

Sun Tzu's "The Art Of War" says ( paraphrased ), people fight the hardest when their back is to a wall and they cannot escape. Meaning, the underdog will fight much harder when it's a case of they fight or they die.

[notdrugged]

They really need to get some form of SMT. Bulldozer may have 8 cores, but if Intel launches an 8 core part with 16 threads, it'll just slaughter bulldozer.

But by the time any imaginable need for a 16-threaded computer is truly mainstream, other more critical aspects of CPU design would/could/should have long made this part obsolete. The race for more threads is what keeps AMD in trouble. Not what they need to focus on.

AMD in recent history halted production of all but quad core processors, and then slowly trickled in the disabled core parts. This was after demanding that the chip package host "true quad core" processors which undoubtedly lead to major yield issues. In that time, Intel owned the dual core market entirely with a CPU that jumped down AMD's throat, danced on its liver and burned its ass on exit. Then, Intel took and put two of those on one package and did it all over again.

Now that Intel has triple-channel on-die memory controllers and a snowballing technical portfolio with real world performance to back it up, AMD is betting to make things even worse for themselves trying to keep up with threads.

[Pixels303]

First AMD says that they will be making more money, and then this article:

Intel has agreed to pay AMD $1.25 billion and to abide by a set of business practice provisions, such as offering vendors preferential treatment if chose not to use AMD processors.
read: http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16409/1/

With that type of money coming in from a competitor, I am certain there will be changes in the horizon.

Oh and another major blow to the networking sector, 3com is no more after being gobbled up by HP for $2.7 billion. HP destroyed Compaq, and now they will destroy 3com. What a sad day indeed. Goodbye 3Com! http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16397/1/

[PandaZ3]

1.25 Billion within 30 days, not spread out and Intel won't try and pull AMD's license if they use 3rd party Fabs and they agreed to a whole lot more. Good for AMD and it gets a Monkey off Intel's back world wide.

[TheGlasMan]

So that's why AMD stock went up a buck when the market lost 100.