Terrorists to be Tried in Civilian Court

[BlackDragon24]

Seems to be a theme in your replies of late. I'm not seeing it though.

You made my point for me. The repubs (and Blanche Lincoln and some other token blue-dog dems) thought it was a bad idea to try these guys in NY for a variety of reasons, some you point out yourself. My point was that none of that shit went down. So now that the argument is gone, its easier to blame Holder and Obama for this verdict, since they can't blame them for the imminent terrorist attack in NY that never happened. Follow?

[AMDScooter]

You made my point for me. The repubs (and Blanche Lincoln and some other token blue-dog dems) thought it was a bad idea to try these guys in NY for a variety of reasons, some you point out yourself. My point was that none of that shit went down. So now that the argument is gone, its easier to blame Holder and Obama for this verdict, since they can't blame them for the imminent terrorist attack in NY that never happened. Follow?

Ya.. I follow.. the usual partisan BS. I link a few stories citing (D)'s who were against the trials for several reasons. But they are "tokens" because (thank gawd) none of their concerns came to fruition. Your "point" seems to spin a failure into a success. Good luck with that in light of the fact Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his admitted co-conspirators asked to plead guilty on December 8, 2008. That's nearly 2 years ago for those not counting.

I also pointed out that bamma/holder "guranteed" convictions. How bout responding to the C&C and AG predicting a predetermined guilty outcome on a yet to be tried case? How does that satisfy your definition of justice BD? I know it's all moot... we're talking about bamma after all. But a more relevant note is that they failed at that also... as you mos eloquently say "none of that shit went down either". But on this point you proclaim success? The guy skipped on hundreds of murder charges he would have pled guilty to in a military tribunal and instead gets convicted of 1 charge of property damage. Yet you claim that proves the system worked? Some day you'll have to explain to me how that pans out.. and no.. I won't drink the kool aid.

Bottom line. He was the lowest hanging fruit the DOJ could have tried and they failed epically to get a single conviction for murder. He skipped on every murder charge... period. Charges that would have stuck by his own confession had that shit-4-brains duo bamma and holder not decided to reinvent the wheel by stopping the military tribunals. The defendant was so broken up about the guilty verdict for property damage he hugged his attorney and all but moonwalked. bamma and holder just handed terrorists another victory. And their ill conceived and naive notions of trying enemy combatants in civil court had an utterly predictable result.

[falcon_view]

Without starting a new thread I know that some around here already know what the score is on our southern boarder. Here are a couple clips for the rest.

http://www.wsbtv.com/video/23438712/index.html

http://www.wsbtv.com/video/23438021/index.html

[otoc]

Nice try indeed... I guess these (D)'s don't count.

Two Senate Democrats want KSM trial out of NYC



Democrats divided over trial for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed



Gov.-elect Andrew Cuomo opposes trying professed 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed in NY



McMahon Leads House NY Delegation in Calling for Reimbursement for KSM Trial

Nice try again. You were very absolute in the quote I responded to

"all of the right wing predictions that this trial was going to put NY at risk"...??

You must be misremembering. The only people who thought having trials for KSM and his ilk in NY courts were Bamma and Holder. Everyone else from both sides of the isle thought bringing them to NY was a patently stupid idea. One that unnecessarily put a city at greater risk and had an huge price tag in the hundreds of millions. Not that spending other peoples money has ever been an issue for this post turtle and his administration.

A few dems won't cover that original perspective you posted. I'm not about to shift into another path of realistic disagreement of a few or the wish for new York to be compensated. Your point was this was all Obama and he was alone in your wish to depict your party rhetoric like a good sheeple. You were proven as wrong on that as the fact that the defendant was in fact found guilty of conspiracy and awaits his sentence.

[AMDScooter]

Nice try again. You were very absolute in the quote I responded to



A few dems won't cover that original perspective you posted. I'm not about to shift into another path of realistic disagreement of a few or the wish for new York to be compensated. Your point was this was all Obama and he was alone in your wish to depict your party rhetoric like a good sheeple. You were proven as wrong on that as the fact that the defendant was in fact found guilty of conspiracy and awaits his sentence.

Ok.. so I'll retract my "alone" bit. There were dissenting (D)'s who went along with every repug.

But you sitting there as someone who voted for mr dopeychange.. a guy whose administration just watched as their first showcase trial missed to land a single charge for murder (a crime the guy was ready to admit guilty to in a military tribunal) calling other people sheeple. Ya.. I was soooo wrong. One conviction for property damage... what a freakin success. I'll bet the families of the victims feel sooo vindicated. Thanks for the pre- t-day gut laugh. Epic fail not washed in spin cycle. Even with the turbo from your Saab attached. But keep at it... you'll need the practice for the next 2 years at least.

[otoc]

Ok.. so I'll retract my "alone" bit. There were dissenting (D)'s who went along with every repug.

But you sitting there as someone who voted for mr dopeychange.. a guy whose administration just watched as their first showcase trial missed to land a single charge for murder (a crime the guy was ready to admit guilty to in a military tribunal) calling other people sheeple. Ya.. I was soooo wrong. One conviction for property damage... what a freakin success. I'll bet the families of the victims feel sooo vindicated. Thanks for the pre- t-day gut laugh. Epic fail not washed in spin cycle. Even with the turbo from your Saab attached. But keep at it... you'll need the practice for the next 2 years at least.

Repeating your opinion again does not make it fact. I still disagree for reasons posted earlier. Torture of a witness and the simple fact that this guy was in custody in 2006. And this is all on the Obama administration?

I do have a question regarding your take on "epic fail". I never read an account where the expectation was that it would be a verdict of guilty on all counts, just guilty. Which is what it was. Another good try but I'm not buying it any more than the record of military tribunals under Bush. And when the judge rules on the sentence, even if it is 20 years, it beats what the bush administration achieved via any sentence under military ownership. Sometimes you cry wolf...

[Dutchcedar]

^^^ Lowered expectations.

It makes every Obamaism a success.

[otoc]

^^^ Lowered expectations.

It makes every Obamaism a success.

That's a way took at it and seems to be yours.

However, realism isn't a lowering of expectations, nor does it make for every "Obamaism" a success. One could view your rageboy interpretation as an attempt to give your party an upper hand, but those actual military tribunals under your party control gave what? And your party did what with the guy when you had a chance?? Come on Dutch, you are so good at the zingers, how about it? A conviction. Still predicting a 20 year sentence? No rebutting the fact that no one stated anything other than guilty? Still trying to compare this conspiracy verdict for two acts that caused a dozen American deaths with an illusion of simple property damage?

[Dutchcedar]

^^^ Yes, otoc, what I posted is how I look at it.

Again, you have a firm grip on the obvious.

And for that you get a D-.

[otoc]

^^^ Yes, otoc, what I posted is how I look at it.

Again, you have a firm grip on the obvious.

And for that you get a D-.

Better than your failing grade.

Life without parole for "property damage"

Tanzania.

New York (CNN) -- A federal judge sentenced Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani to life without parole on Tuesday for his role in the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in East Africa that killed 224 people and left thousands wounded.

He had faced a minimum of 20 years in prison, but instead received a life sentence.

[AMDScooter]

^^^ Such a whopping success your messiah neglected to mention it in the SOTU and is in the process of starting up the military commissions.

The state of our terrorist detention policy

A few hours before President Obama delivers his State of the Union address Tuesday night, the state of America's terrorist detention policy will be laid bare in a Manhattan courtroom. Ahmed Ghailani, charged with 285 counts in the bombings of our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, will be sentenced for one count of "destruction of government property." Ghailani's lawyers tried to get even this lone charge dismissed, calling it a "manifest injustice." Judge Lewis Kaplan rejected their motion last week, declaring: "If there was any injustice in the jury's verdict, the victims were the United States and those killed, injured, and otherwise devastated by these barbaric acts of terror." Amen to that.

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[Dutchcedar]

^^^

Judge Lewis Kaplan rejected their motion last week, declaring: "If there was any injustice in the jury's verdict, the victims were the United States and those killed, injured, and otherwise devastated by these barbaric acts of terror."

Yeah well, in otoc's eyes, getting a life term is justice when the victim is government property.

So there.

[tucker]

Sniff, sniff… do I smell an appeal…