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    Thumbs up The lean mean green HTPC Watercooling Project |Worklog + Opinion Requests|

    Okay so one of my HTPCs (HTPC 2 in my sig) is a bit hot of a PC tbh. It works okay but the temps tend to scare me. Heck it gets so hot on the back of it I feel as if it is going to set my tv stand on fire when I am running 1080p content. It is fairly quiet right now though. The loudest thing in it is the hard drive. Everything else sits around 20DB. I certainly don't want it any louder than it is.

    I am considering watercooling the CPU and the graphics card.

    Problems/questions with this are:
    -I have never done watercooling before ever and trying to figure out what I need and what is best has me overwhelmed.
    -It's a custom micro-atx case. It is built to be as small as possible while housing all the electronics inside. Therefore I am not sure where the radiator is going to go or how it will be mounted etc. I have one of those fans that goes in an expansion slot is there a radiator that can be mounted that way?
    -Is the radiator fan going to be louder than 20db?
    -Will this drop temps enough to be worth it?
    -How much would I probably be spending total?

    Thanks for any replies/help!
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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Are you gaming on your HTPCs? That's an awful lot of processing power to play a few video files if you're not doing any gaming.

    Better to spend your money downgrading to reduce the heat output if you don't need the processing power.

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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    You wouldn't be gpu folding with that rig would you?

    Water cooling should work good for you, get the pump and rad out of the case for best results.

    Sounds like you are running your fans too slow for your current usage patterns. Of course fast fans make noise.


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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    I went lazy with one of the Aquaduct 240 PRO Mark II self contained systems.

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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    I wouldnt put water in a htpc.

    But you are using an original Phenom which were pretty hot.

    Have you considerered the Corsair H50? Its water without the hassle.

    And I dont think you GPU needs to be water cooled.Id sell that and buy something like a 4350 or nvidia equivalent

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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Underclocking will also significantly reduce heat output and it's free

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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Have you considerered the Corsair H50? Its water without the hassle
    Extremely easy to install and very quiet.

    Works on par with the best of the air coolers and takes up less room in the case.
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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Took some pics tonight via my blackberry storm 2. Not the best camera but I haven't bought a new real camera since my last one died.

    some water got inbetween the front acrylic plates when I was cleaning it for the photo. Was too lazy to take it off and dry it for the photo lol.


    Perfect use of space. Except there is a little bit of space under that fan there.

    Pretty damn compact. Although I could technically fit a longer graphics card due to the hard drive cage to PSU distance, I have had no luck finding one with the right power requirements and with a side mounted power connector.
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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    That is so trick!!! I'd be interested in the particulars and the build....did you do a work log?

    Leaving work so will have to get home and look more closely!!

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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Quote Originally Posted by jedihobbit View Post
    That is so trick!!! I'd be interested in the particulars and the build....did you do a work log?

    Leaving work so will have to get home and look more closely!!
    Thank you I did not do a work log unfortunatelly.

    I want to cut a large square out of the top panel and put a piece of clear acrylic there as a top window and then add a green cold cathode and paint the interior of the case either that green or black as well. Maybe mount a fan in the middle of it. Not entirely sure. I just haven't got around to that part of the project. You can't really tell from the pics but you can actually see through the green acrylic to the insides on the sides of the case as well.

    I guess the ultimate goal of the project would be that plus a really cool watercooling setup that would fit the theme and drop temps. Also might put a 2.5" optical drive in it as it has no optical drive installed right now. I know how I would do that and I have the drive already but this would raise temps further as well; as airflow would be decreased as it would extend to about where the cpu fan sits. I would need watercooling to make that work I think.
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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Watercooling is still a bit of a mystery here so I havent quite figured out how this is going to work but I was thinking maybe 2 of these:
    http://www.dangerden.com/store/black-ice-micro.html
    To go where that one fan I have in the back is now and below it. One for VGA and one for CPU right? Then I was thinking this with the ram sinks for the gcard: http://www.dangerden.com/store/aceta...r-version.html
    This for the proc: http://www.dangerden.com/store/coppe...processor.html
    and I'd asume I would need 2 of these? http://www.dangerden.com/store/dd-cpx1-12v_pump.html
    One of these
    http://www.dangerden.com/store/dange...reservoir.html
    And then of course tubes and the liquid.
    I dont have a clue where I would put the pumps or the resovoir. I think the cold cathode in the finished idea would be going towards the front of the case along where that red IDE cable runs. So I dunno if I could fit the pumps there maybe too and then maybe the resovoir on the inside of the case where the radiators would go and the radiators on the outside? I am not sure how big that resovoir is. I completely welcome any suggestions here. I dont want to kill the portability of this thing though by having some external thing to lug around with it. I am not looking for temps that are going to get me OC records (I wont be OCing this) I just want good stable operating temps.

    Edit- Shit I am going to need 2 of those reservoirs too arent I? Is there anyway to do GPU and CPU without buying 2x pump 2x reservoir 2x radiator? I dont know how I could fit 2 reservoirs.
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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Gotta run but a quick note.......run cpu & gpu in the same loop but not sure the 80mm will do you good and be noisy as hell too. Might want to go back to the link for DreamCatcher (bathroom ready!) and look at how I ran the loop for an idea. Also where are you plannning on hanging the rad?

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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    One piece of help for you is that you do not need a reservoir (which could be messy when you move the case anyway) Just put in a T fitting to fill the loop.

    A thought, just water cool the vid card since it is the main heat source. That gpu cooler you picked out is a peltier and will add mucho heat to your cooling loop, more than you can get rid of. Stick to a regular block. Also you must cool the rest of the board so you will need to get a full coverage type cover or ramsinks (especially vulnerable is the voltage regulators) and fan

    Remember the DD TDX runs best on 1/2 inch and you seem to only have room for 5/16(8mm) ID tubing. Might check European sites for info on quiet low power water cooling. Gpu blocks adapt well to lower flow as they are low resistance.

    A cliche in water cooling is that you can get 2 of quiet, small and performance. It is sooooo true. And why I recommended putting the rad and pump outside the box. You can put those in another box and put it on top of the case for transport.


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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    you could simplify it a lot and it would be a lot cheaper if you cut a hole for a 120mm fan on the left side of the case with this painted green (or left black) to match the look of the case, it just seems there isnt enough air movement in that case.


    The Area in question, and one Possibly grill to use (there are many other grills to choose from)

    The case support can be cut away and reinforced by making a fan mounting spot -[ ]- and you can throw in a filter too
    It would provide nice cool air directed towards both your gpu's cooler, and up through the rest of the case for your cpu and psu to use
    and it would stay within a nice db level.
    Im pretty sure your temps would drop nicely since there would be no recycling of hot air going on as it seems to be now.
    and it would be a lot cheaper than buying all the water cooling gear. $40 for the grill and a nice fan compared to $200 to $300 for the water cooling components...

    Thats my 2 cents.
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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGlasMan View Post
    One piece of help for you is that you do not need a reservoir (which could be messy when you move the case anyway) Just put in a T fitting to fill the loop.

    A thought, just water cool the vid card since it is the main heat source. That gpu cooler you picked out is a peltier and will add mucho heat to your cooling loop, more than you can get rid of. Stick to a regular block. Also you must cool the rest of the board so you will need to get a full coverage type cover or ramsinks (especially vulnerable is the voltage regulators) and fan

    Remember the DD TDX runs best on 1/2 inch and you seem to only have room for 5/16(8mm) ID tubing. Might check European sites for info on quiet low power water cooling. Gpu blocks adapt well to lower flow as they are low resistance.

    A cliche in water cooling is that you can get 2 of quiet, small and performance. It is sooooo true. And why I recommended putting the rad and pump outside the box. You can put those in another box and put it on top of the case for transport.
    I dont need a reservoir? thats amazing news. So all I really need is the radiator and the pump? Cool. What is a reservoir's purpose exactly then?

    I cant use a GPU block for the card cause they all extend the card's height. Which will make it not fit in the case. I was planning on getting ramsinks so thats fine. I really would like to cool both the gpu and the cpu somehow. You're saying if I buy that setup minus the reservoir, temps wont be acceptable?

    Maybe I should buy one of these as well: http://www.dangerden.com/store/black-ice-micro.html and put that where I was going to put the reservoir (in the drive cage). Maybe that would be enough heat removal? Someone posted a review on DD that said "A micro and micro2 cooling the GPU and CPU kept the full load CPU temps to 40C; even with a 25% OC on the CPU" Obviously I don't know what his exact cpu/gpu were or what block he was using but thats certainly good results.

    JSLEnterprises, it isn't a bad idea to just add a fan there; it would certainly help cooling, but with the way the case is set up I am not sure how it would work. If I remove the support to fit the fan there the case will not stay together properly. I am not sure how to just add a fan mounting spot into the support. Plus the design would be asymetrical and part of this project is appearance. I also have never done watercooling so I would really like to do a project with watercooling.
    Last edited by Bearded Frog; 02-27-2010 at 11:12 PM.

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