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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Watercooling is still a bit of a mystery here so I havent quite figured out how this is going to work but I was thinking maybe 2 of these:
    http://www.dangerden.com/store/black-ice-micro.html
    To go where that one fan I have in the back is now and below it. One for VGA and one for CPU right? Then I was thinking this with the ram sinks for the gcard: http://www.dangerden.com/store/aceta...r-version.html
    This for the proc: http://www.dangerden.com/store/coppe...processor.html
    and I'd asume I would need 2 of these? http://www.dangerden.com/store/dd-cpx1-12v_pump.html
    One of these
    http://www.dangerden.com/store/dange...reservoir.html
    And then of course tubes and the liquid.
    I dont have a clue where I would put the pumps or the resovoir. I think the cold cathode in the finished idea would be going towards the front of the case along where that red IDE cable runs. So I dunno if I could fit the pumps there maybe too and then maybe the resovoir on the inside of the case where the radiators would go and the radiators on the outside? I am not sure how big that resovoir is. I completely welcome any suggestions here. I dont want to kill the portability of this thing though by having some external thing to lug around with it. I am not looking for temps that are going to get me OC records (I wont be OCing this) I just want good stable operating temps.

    Edit- Shit I am going to need 2 of those reservoirs too arent I? Is there anyway to do GPU and CPU without buying 2x pump 2x reservoir 2x radiator? I dont know how I could fit 2 reservoirs.
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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Gotta run but a quick note.......run cpu & gpu in the same loop but not sure the 80mm will do you good and be noisy as hell too. Might want to go back to the link for DreamCatcher (bathroom ready!) and look at how I ran the loop for an idea. Also where are you plannning on hanging the rad?

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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Quote Originally Posted by jedihobbit View Post
    Gotta run but a quick note.......run cpu & gpu in the same loop but not sure the 80mm will do you good and be noisy as hell too. Might want to go back to the link for DreamCatcher (bathroom ready!) and look at how I ran the loop for an idea. Also where are you plannning on hanging the rad?

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    Ohhh okay so you can run it in the same set okay that is super good news. I can grab one of these for a radiator instead then http://www.dangerden.com/store/black-ice-micro-ii.html
    and just one of the previously listed pumps.
    I am thinking I will install radiators on the outside and the reservoir on the inside of that back part where that 60mm fan sits right now (will take a lot of drilling/cutting/modding but ya).
    80mm wont be loud as long as I get quiet fans. that 60mm SilenX fan back there makes almost no noise at all at about 20db.
    I think this could actually fit and work. As long as temps are better and in a good range I am happy. Like I said no OCing is planned here just doing this to drop temps over air and for aesthetics as well (imagine green liquid in tubes in there with the inside of the case painted black ).

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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Okay after doing some guesstimating/measuring and planning here is what I am thinking for the final version of this project. Please excuse my sloppy paintbrush skills lol.
    Inside:

    Radiator (on bottom)= http://www.dangerden.com/store/black-ice-micro-ii.html
    2x of this fan on radiator= http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835610004
    I have a 2.5 inch DVD drive that I can mount above the radiator. It is technically a 5" drive bay but I have a slot cover over it right now. The acrylic front bezel is not what I mean by a slot cover though, that top one actually drops open when you push it. If I Cut out a hole in the slot cover for the 2.5" it should be able to sit on top of the radiator and still be flush on the outside. I'll have to find a good way to fully keep it in place later though.
    GPU block with ram sinks: http://www.dangerden.com/store/aceta...r-version.html
    CPU block: http://www.dangerden.com/store/coppe...processor.html
    pump: http://www.dangerden.com/store/dd-cpx1-12v_pump.html
    And for the reservoir I am thinking something like this:
    http://www.crazypc.com/products/bits...r-93301BK.html
    I could just put one hard drive in the drive cage and then put that reservoir under it in the second bay of the cage.
    Outside:

    I will drill a pattern of holes into the acrylic front bezel on the bottom for the radiator to get airflow in. I will cut a large square hole out of the top metal case cover and afix a clear acrylic window in the gap. in the middle of that window I will drill holes (in the green acrylic slide over piece as well of course) and add another one of these fans:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835610004

    And somewhere inside the case will reside a green cold cathode or green leds. and of course the coolant will be green too (thinking the non-conductive stuff). Also I am going to paint the inside of the case black.

    I would super appreciate some feedback on this plan. Will it all fit? Will it all work? Will it cool the CPU and GPU enough (at stock speeds). Is there anything I am missing (besides tubing)? Will it look as amazing as I invision it will in my head?

    Edit- this may show up in a future build too. Apparently a 5870 will work with the PSU I have in there and this one has side mounted connectors so it will fit! Call me a madman but I really like the idea of this finialized product. a case thats merely 13.75"x13"x5" housing a 5870, watercooling, and being entirely silent, while looking kick ass. It would be an HTPC and an Uber portable gaming rig all in one!
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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    I'm sorry but I don't see you shoe horning all that snit into the case and still have room to route the tubeing without kinking something. Right now I'm in the middle of doing some "engineering on the fly" with two systems and haven't hit the coffee yet after getting off from one screwed up shift!!

    So I try to look at it more constructively in the morning!

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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Quote Originally Posted by jedihobbit View Post
    I'm sorry but I don't see you shoe horning all that snit into the case and still have room to route the tubeing without kinking something. Right now I'm in the middle of doing some "engineering on the fly" with two systems and haven't hit the coffee yet after getting off from one screwed up shift!!

    So I try to look at it more constructively in the morning!
    Where theres a will theres a way! I'll prolly have to not use the 1/2" tubing. Thanks for checking it out

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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    For your bathroom reading........

    http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=463148

    Don't even think 3/8 much less 1/2 in there. As you're not oc'ing 8mm would be what you'd use depending on who's hardware. GN!

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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    One piece of help for you is that you do not need a reservoir (which could be messy when you move the case anyway) Just put in a T fitting to fill the loop.

    A thought, just water cool the vid card since it is the main heat source. That gpu cooler you picked out is a peltier and will add mucho heat to your cooling loop, more than you can get rid of. Stick to a regular block. Also you must cool the rest of the board so you will need to get a full coverage type cover or ramsinks (especially vulnerable is the voltage regulators) and fan

    Remember the DD TDX runs best on 1/2 inch and you seem to only have room for 5/16(8mm) ID tubing. Might check European sites for info on quiet low power water cooling. Gpu blocks adapt well to lower flow as they are low resistance.

    A cliche in water cooling is that you can get 2 of quiet, small and performance. It is sooooo true. And why I recommended putting the rad and pump outside the box. You can put those in another box and put it on top of the case for transport.


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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    you could simplify it a lot and it would be a lot cheaper if you cut a hole for a 120mm fan on the left side of the case with this painted green (or left black) to match the look of the case, it just seems there isnt enough air movement in that case.


    The Area in question, and one Possibly grill to use (there are many other grills to choose from)

    The case support can be cut away and reinforced by making a fan mounting spot -[ ]- and you can throw in a filter too
    It would provide nice cool air directed towards both your gpu's cooler, and up through the rest of the case for your cpu and psu to use
    and it would stay within a nice db level.
    Im pretty sure your temps would drop nicely since there would be no recycling of hot air going on as it seems to be now.
    and it would be a lot cheaper than buying all the water cooling gear. $40 for the grill and a nice fan compared to $200 to $300 for the water cooling components...

    Thats my 2 cents.
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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGlasMan View Post
    One piece of help for you is that you do not need a reservoir (which could be messy when you move the case anyway) Just put in a T fitting to fill the loop.

    A thought, just water cool the vid card since it is the main heat source. That gpu cooler you picked out is a peltier and will add mucho heat to your cooling loop, more than you can get rid of. Stick to a regular block. Also you must cool the rest of the board so you will need to get a full coverage type cover or ramsinks (especially vulnerable is the voltage regulators) and fan

    Remember the DD TDX runs best on 1/2 inch and you seem to only have room for 5/16(8mm) ID tubing. Might check European sites for info on quiet low power water cooling. Gpu blocks adapt well to lower flow as they are low resistance.

    A cliche in water cooling is that you can get 2 of quiet, small and performance. It is sooooo true. And why I recommended putting the rad and pump outside the box. You can put those in another box and put it on top of the case for transport.
    I dont need a reservoir? thats amazing news. So all I really need is the radiator and the pump? Cool. What is a reservoir's purpose exactly then?

    I cant use a GPU block for the card cause they all extend the card's height. Which will make it not fit in the case. I was planning on getting ramsinks so thats fine. I really would like to cool both the gpu and the cpu somehow. You're saying if I buy that setup minus the reservoir, temps wont be acceptable?

    Maybe I should buy one of these as well: http://www.dangerden.com/store/black-ice-micro.html and put that where I was going to put the reservoir (in the drive cage). Maybe that would be enough heat removal? Someone posted a review on DD that said "A micro and micro2 cooling the GPU and CPU kept the full load CPU temps to 40C; even with a 25% OC on the CPU" Obviously I don't know what his exact cpu/gpu were or what block he was using but thats certainly good results.

    JSLEnterprises, it isn't a bad idea to just add a fan there; it would certainly help cooling, but with the way the case is set up I am not sure how it would work. If I remove the support to fit the fan there the case will not stay together properly. I am not sure how to just add a fan mounting spot into the support. Plus the design would be asymetrical and part of this project is appearance. I also have never done watercooling so I would really like to do a project with watercooling.
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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    I dont need a reservoir? thats amazing news. So all I really need is the radiator and the pump? Cool. What is a reservoir's purpose exactly then?
    a) A place to let air escape and add water. Not needed. You bleed the system and seal it. Then no air and no leaks.
    b) A way to take money from newbies and get them to install a soon to be leak.
    If you can't tell, I think they are worse then useless.

    I cant use a GPU block for the card cause they all extend the card's height. Which will make it not fit in the case. I was planning on getting ramsinks so thats fine. I really would like to cool both the gpu and the cpu somehow. You're saying if I buy that setup minus the reservoir, temps wont be acceptable?
    a) All your pictures show a GPU block, you list a peltier GPU block so I am assuming you want to install a GPU block, however it fits in the case.
    b) Cool, don't forget your power circuitry, and ventilation.
    c)No I'm saying the peltier will add too much heat for your rads/fans to cool the loop, reservoir has nothing to do with that.

    Maybe I should buy one of these as well: http://www.dangerden.com/store/black-ice-micro.html and put that where I was going to put the reservoir (in the drive cage). Maybe that would be enough heat removal? Someone posted a review on DD that said "A micro and micro2 cooling the GPU and CPU kept the full load CPU temps to 40C; even with a 25% OC on the CPU" Obviously I don't know what his exact cpu/gpu were or what block he was using but thats certainly good results.
    Maybe, but you have to get air into the case, through the rad and out of the case for it to do any good. the peltier produces a lot of waste heat if it can even cool a modern gpu. those temps are most likely single core K8 and contemporary gpu.


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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    a) A place to let air escape and add water. Not needed. You bleed the system and seal it. Then no air and no leaks.
    b) A way to take money from newbies and get them to install a soon to be leak.
    If you can't tell, I think they are worse then useless.
    Good to know.

    a) All your pictures show a GPU block, you list a peltier GPU block so I am assuming you want to install a GPU block, however it fits in the case.
    Well It has to be a specific kind because there is no space above the card. Every design other than the one I linked shows tubes and extension going above the card. That wont work here.
    b) Cool, don't forget your power circuitry, and ventilation.
    Yeah I'll have to add a fan to it too. I think it should work okay.
    c)No I'm saying the peltier will add too much heat for your rads/fans to cool the loop, reservoir has nothing to do with that.
    Right. Thats why I am thinking about adding the smaller radiator as well to where I was gonna put the reservoir.


    Maybe, but you have to get air into the case, through the rad and out of the case for it to do any good. the peltier produces a lot of waste heat if it can even cool a modern gpu. those temps are most likely single core K8 and contemporary gpu.
    I dunno, jedihobbit said he used one on his g92 I believe. If everything fits right there should still be a new fan on the top and a fan on the back exiting air out of the case, as well as the slot fan.
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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    http://www.dangerden.com/store/low_p...-gpu.html#tabs

    check this one, picture of the delrin top below


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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bearded Frog View Post
    I dunno, jedihobbit said he used one on his g92 I believe. If everything fits right there should still be a new fan on the top and a fan on the back exiting air out of the case, as well as the slot fan.
    Didn't use a pelter....just a standard aqua computer twinplex pro for FX8800 which is just a standard gpu chip cooler and had to add passives to the memory and vrms. Which really needs air movement to really work.



    Any way it looks like a w/c cooler for the 250 is not available as I was shopping because of thinking of replacing the 8800GTS G92 with a GTS 250.
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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGlasMan View Post
    http://www.dangerden.com/store/low_p...-gpu.html#tabs

    check this one, picture of the delrin top below
    Says it wont fit 8800 and the 250gtx is basically an 8800. Not sure that would work. And jedi your site is a german site :\

    I dunno if there is an alternative to the peltier one.

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