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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    If I were you and I wasn't worried about warranty, I might mod the PSU fan...

    Water cooling that thing is likely going to work pretty poorly.

    I'd cut a hole over the CPU fan and near the GPU fan and maybe cover it with UV painted mesh, so that the CPU and GPU are pulling air directly from outside of the case. You'd be able to preserve symmetry by just sticking the mesh on the other side of the case and using a UV LED to light it up, and it'd not cost that much.


    Edit: You also don't have to make the cut remotely fan shaped, it just has to let air through in some places.


    Edit: ALSO! Cooling coefficient for a GOOD peltier is it expends 1 watt to move .4 watts of heat, meaning it dissipates 2.5 watts of heat for every 1 watt it cools, meaning that you are dealing with 2.5 times more heat than you have to! A reservoir, IMO, should either be attached to a radiator or be made of solid metal. I will never touch acrylic again if I WC.
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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Well the project has been on hold for a bit. However getting back into it I think this is what I am going to do:
    Pump: http://www.dangerden.com/store/dd-cpx1-12v_pump.html
    Radiator: http://www.dangerden.com/store/black...84-xtreme.html
    Coolant: http://www.dangerden.com/store/feser...1-coolant.html
    CPU Block: http://www.dangerden.com/store/coppe...processor.html

    This plus the GPU cooler jedihobbit has (hes selling it to me). I think that radiator should be good enough right? It's designed for 2 92mm fans (in which I will buy low DB 30-35cfm fans). In theory that should fit in the front bit of the case. It might be a bit tight as the case is only about 5"-5.2" tall. I am going to just scrap the idea of a disc drive I think. Unless I get this stuff in here and I magically see it fitting properly.

    I know some of you guys think I'd be better off cutting away and dropping in some big fans; but I really want to try watercooling and I really think it'd be neat in this case if I can make it work.

    I haven't ordered the above stuff yet but I did order some Tygon 1/2" (1/8" wall) tubing and some Tygon 3/8" (1/8" wall) tubing. Mainly just to see which will work better in there without kinking. From The sounds of it, I'll probably be going with the 3/8" but I figured for $2.95 ill at least test the idea of 1/2".
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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Getting ready to pull the trigger on this purchase so I am hopeing to get a confirm from you guys that I have everything I need here. See above post for the list I am ordering. There will also be tubing (still gotta test that tonight it just came in). I also asume I need this:
    http://www.dangerden.com/store/acrylic-tee.html
    and I need the GPU block but thats coming from jedihobbit.

    My main Q is the fittings and stuff. that tee which options do I need to select there? Do i need compression fittings or barbed fittings or neither? The pump and things have options for fittings.. I just don't want to miss anything little or stupid here.

    I know I need ramsinks and fans too. That will be seperate from DD.

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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    As my fittings are Aqua Computer "Plug & Cool", I let the experts tell you weither to use compression or clamp.

    However:

    1. If you plan to use the block I have you will have to aquire G1/8 sized fittings x 2

    2. If after testing you find the potential of crimping your tubing consider the use of 90 & 45 degree elbows since this is not a heavy overclock system. While it will slow the flow it would be better than an unplanned kick in the hose.

    BTW where are you placing the 2 x 92mm Rad?
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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Quote Originally Posted by jedihobbit View Post
    As my fittings are Aqua Computer "Plug & Cool", I let the experts tell you weither to use compression or clamp.

    However:

    1. If you plan to use the block I have you will have to aquire G1/8 sized fittings x 2

    2. If after testing you find the potential of crimping your tubing consider the use of 90 & 45 degree elbows since this is not a heavy overclock system. While it will slow the flow it would be better than an unplanned kick in the hose.

    BTW where are you placing the 2 x 92mm Rad?
    but I do need fittings? Because the pump/rad/waterblock all have options for a fitting size. Do I still need a fitting ontop of that? I mean I guess i'll be suprised if I can get eveyrthing I need in one order but it'd be nice to at least think I am going to. With that tee fitting for the gpu adding to the loop theres an option for threaded plugs on top of the fittings option. What is a threaded plug? Do I need that?

    Also I know its still a ways off, but if I buy this listed equipment and hook it all up and it looks right... how/where do I add the liquid, and what is this talk of "Bleeding the system" etc. Whats the process there? I think I need to find a guide or something..

    I am going to put the 2x 92mm rad in the front. One of the original pics I did in paint should detail similarly how it would go in there (minus the 2.5 drive). Just mounted to the front with holes drilled in the front bottom plate basically.

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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    I'm at work but will get back with my 2 cents when I can but am sure GM or the others will be able to help.

    Fittings ususally don't come with the units to allow one to decide what "clamping" style of connector you want to use. Think most of the stuff you picked should be "G1/4" thread (the exception being my GPU block).

    Here is a guide that was started here at pcper http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=304853

    Before you order be sure to get all the spec sheets in order to confirm the item dimensional "envelope" when try to squeeze stuff in!

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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    read some guides... think I understand a bit..
    Added:
    http://www.dangerden.com/store/delrin-fillport.html with a T option
    and 10 of these http://www.dangerden.com/store/plast...ng-clamps.html

    Am I missing anything else? I have no idea where this t filler port deal is gonna go but probably wont matter too much.. one thing I am unsure of is since this is a DC pump (aka powered by the PSU). How do I do this bleeding/leak checking stage without having the system on and dieing?

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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    but I do need fittings? Because the pump/rad/waterblock all have options for a fitting size. Do I still need a fitting ontop of that?
    At DD you indicate the fitting size you want in the drop down menues. Most have no extra charge. Since you will end up using 3/8 od fittings and 3/8 id hose, you will need hose clamps that fit the outside of the hose (1/2"?), one for each hose end.

    To add and bleed the system I got a tee (T) fitting http://www.dangerden.com/store/polypropylene-t.html and you add the fluid there and let the air inside out (bleed). Never start the pump with air in it, air will destroy the pump. DD sells a plug http://www.dangerden.com/store/delrin-fillport.html , but about anything stuffed in the hose and clamped will work.

    Also there are reservoirs but I don't like them because they break (acrylic cracks in the presence of anti freeze and other chemicals), and they will leak out when you are rotating things to get all the air out of the loop.


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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    1. Decide the tubing size (think 1/2"OD will be a bit big for you use, but......)
    2. Decide if you want clamp, barbed, or compression fittings (GM do you have a preference?
    3. Talk with the guys at DD as they are pretty cool in helping. (http://www.dangerden.com/store/help....us&mode=update ) I have ended up with a BFG GPU that has a BFG/DD water block and they were helpful even though I didn't buy it from them.
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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Quote Originally Posted by jedihobbit View Post
    1. Decide the tubing size (think 1/2"OD will be a bit big for you use, but......)
    2. Decide if you want clamp, barbed, or compression fittings (GM do you have a preference?
    3. Talk with the guys at DD as they are pretty cool in helping. (http://www.dangerden.com/store/help....us&mode=update ) I have ended up with a BFG GPU that has a BFG/DD water block and they were helpful even though I didn't buy it from them.
    1. I don't see it kinking. Is there another reason I should go smaller? Isnt bigger better for flow?
    2. I guess I will just be going with these fittings that come with the parts.
    3. I think I will talk to them then, if I can right before I buy this stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGlasMan View Post
    At DD you indicate the fitting size you want in the drop down menues. Most have no extra charge. Since you will end up using 3/8 od fittings and 3/8 id hose, you will need hose clamps that fit the outside of the hose (1/2"?), one for each hose end.

    To add and bleed the system I got a tee (T) fitting http://www.dangerden.com/store/polypropylene-t.html and you add the fluid there and let the air inside out (bleed). Never start the pump with air in it, air will destroy the pump. DD sells a plug http://www.dangerden.com/store/delrin-fillport.html , but about anything stuffed in the hose and clamped will work.

    Also there are reservoirs but I don't like them because they break (acrylic cracks in the presence of anti freeze and other chemicals), and they will leak out when you are rotating things to get all the air out of the loop.
    I asume in the first paragraph you are talking about for jedihobbit's gpublock? Will those plastic clamps work? Or do I need these?

    Yeah I am going to get that T and fillport. I don't plan on getting a res. I also noticed DD has these ramsinks. I wonder if they'll be good enough though.

    Thanks for all your help jedi and glasman
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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    For your vid card mem I would concider these as I use them of my mobo VRs and like them a lot http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/enbmfocobgar.html . Then again I'm a copper freek!

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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Well after finding a diff site for watercooling I found some other GPU block solutions... wondering if anyone has an opinion on these:

    1. http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=26243
    2. http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=26243
    3. http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=26243

    Also will be doing some modding tonight and likely updating pics soon. I am wondering though... How should I mount the radiator in the front? Should I put the fans on the front and the radiator behind them or the radiator on the front with the fans on the back of it? I know I want the fans moving air from the radiator out of the case... I would think it would be easier to mount the fans on the front rather than the radiator but I dont have the radiator yet so dunno...

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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Haven't used that brand, but have heard good things about them and performance-pcs is one of my fav sources!

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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Quote Originally Posted by jedihobbit View Post
    Haven't used that brand, but have heard good things about them and performance-pcs is one of my fav sources!
    Which one? theres 3 diff links there.

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    Re: Watercooling for HTPC possibly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bearded Frog View Post
    Which one? theres 3 diff links there.
    They were all the same .........Enzotech VGA-IS!

    And I didn't see the 250 listed but don't see why it wouldn't fit the listed bolt patterns.
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