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    Deepwater Horizon~Gulf of Mexico oil spill disaster

    First we get this gawdawful presser where the Commander In Twit is saying his daughter asks if he's plugged the hole every morning. And uses the teleprompter reading time to take cheap shots at political opponents over the "drill baby drill" comments. And also claims to be "fully engaged" on the issue... cannot tell us if the MMS director was fired or quit.

    Obama: Um, I’m not sure if the MMS director was fired or resigned

    Real genius at work there. Now The Won is doing what he does second best in response to the crisis... photo ops.

    Finally: The photo op that America’s been waiting for; Video: BP buses in workers to clean beach for Obama

    The good stuff starts about halfway through, when O does his “I’m engaged, see?” pose by stooping down to poke at the tar balls on the beach. I want this photo blown up to poster size and available for framing so that I can remind myself, in my moments of doubt, that he really does care.

    Via JWF, here’s a detail that … won’t surprise you in the least, actually:

    Perhaps you saw news footage of President Obama in Grand Isle, La., on Friday and thought things didn’t look all that bad. Well, there may have been a reason for that: The town was evidently swarmed by an army of temp workers to spruce it up for the president and the national news crews following him.

    Jefferson Parish Councilman Chris Roberts, whose district encompasses Grand Isle, told Yahoo! News that BP bused in “hundreds” of temporary workers to clean up local beaches. And as soon as the president was en route back to Washington, the workers were clearing out of Grand Isle too, Roberts said.

    “The level of cleanup and cooperation we’ve gotten from BP in the past is in no way consistent to the effort shown on the island today,” Roberts said by telephone. “As soon as the president left, they were immediately put back on the buses and sent home.”
    They actually use the term “Potemkin-style backdrop” to describe what happened. While on the scene, Obama said, “BP is the responsible party for this disaster. But as I said yesterday and as I repeated in the meeting we just left, I ultimately take responsibility for solving this crisis. I’m the president, and the buck stops with me.” Does that mean the phony backdrop is his responsibility too? Considering that he’s already using a phony timeline to defend the feds’ response after BP’s rig first exploded, I’m going to go ahead and vote “yes.”

    “Top kill” is proceeding apace, meanwhile, but it’ll be another day or two before we know if it worked. Exit question: Who’s that guy over Obama’s left shoulder in this video? He looks awfully shady.

    Update: Ah, here’s that Potemkin-style backdrop now. And this wasn’t the only one. Tapper tells me that they were up to the same shenanigans on the beach where the media was headquartered, no doubt desperate to convince the cameras that the coastline wasn’t in quite as bad shape as has been claimed. Click the image to watch.

    Bet Rhammy is all in a twist because he will not be able to expolit this crisis due to The Won's placebo offshore drilling rhetoric just a few weeks prior to the explosion.



    Once you've lost Carville:



    Carville Tears Into Obama's Oil Spill Response: 'We're About To Die Down Here' (VIDEO)

    and "tingles" over at MSDNC..

    Chris Matthews rips into Obama on oil spill — “I’m going to barf!”

    You are in deep sh*t.
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    Re: Deepwater Horizon~Gulf of Mexico oil spill disaster

    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Re: Deepwater Horizon~Gulf of Mexico oil spill disaster

    We are getting a daily lesson as to how entrenched our government is with big oil. Its like an abusive relationship that we can't get out of because there is nowhere else we can turn right now.

    Well Barrack, here's your chance to shine. You've had to deal with some major crises since you have been in office...and every time you've claimed we needed sweeping reforms. So whatcha gonna do about this? You've got the greatest opening any president could hope for to truly enact energy policy reforms. Make it happen.

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    Re: Deepwater Horizon~Gulf of Mexico oil spill disaster

    Ya, so barrack the transparent twit will get his wish for extremely high electric prices and gasoline at $5 a gallon. Ya, you go barrack, take the people by the horns and show them what your version of Hope and Change is this way November will be even better than expected and hopefully guarantee your a one term wonder..
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    Re: Deepwater Horizon~Gulf of Mexico oil spill disaster

    Facts are the best and brightest have failed to stop the flow. This is way over the heads of all. Even cleanup is way beyond for anyone can tackle. The Gulf is screwed big time.

    I think I will take my Dodge V10 guzzler out for a drive and leave the gas sipper at the house.
    I really do have a Dodge V10 2500 extend cab long bed, this baby is almost
    20 Ft. long and a little over 6000 Lbs. I think I am going to drive it more now because gas prices are down below $2.50. I have only been using it to haul things and pull trailers, putting less than 5000 mile/year on it.

    How long ago was the words, drill baby, drill, offshore drilling, and the cries for the Hummer.

    Lets not forget the tax breaks for SUVs in the early 2000s.
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    Re: Deepwater Horizon~Gulf of Mexico oil spill disaster

    We have nobody to blame but ourselves at this point.
    Oil spills are among the risks we take with off-shore drilling.

    The automobile has been around for over a century and we are just now seriously considering alternative fuels.

    I figure BP will give it a few more failed attempts before the government steps in with a fix and gives BP a slap on the wrist after 10 years of trials and appeals.
    The right will blame Obama, the left will blame Bush, but nothing will be done to prevent or change anything for the long term except a higher cost of living for you and me.
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    Re: Deepwater Horizon~Gulf of Mexico oil spill disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinC939 View Post
    We have nobody to blame but ourselves at this point.
    Oil spills are among the risks we take with off-shore drilling.

    The automobile has been around for over a century and we are just now seriously considering alternative fuels.

    I figure BP will give it a few more failed attempts before the government steps in with a fix and gives BP a slap on the wrist after 10 years of trials and appeals.
    The right will blame Obama, the left will blame Bush, but nothing will be done to prevent or change anything for the long term except a higher cost of living for you and me.
    Truth

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    Re: Deepwater Horizon~Gulf of Mexico oil spill disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinC939 View Post

    I figure BP will give it a few more failed attempts before the government steps in with a fix

    How? As best I can tell, BP are doing everything possible with one exception: the politically messy option of drilling a relief well alongside the leaking one. It's difficult to see what the government could do which BP aren't doing (except that second well). This isn't a money issue, it's a technology issue.


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    Re: Deepwater Horizon~Gulf of Mexico oil spill disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Meridian View Post
    How? As best I can tell, BP are doing everything possible with one exception: the politically messy option of drilling a relief well alongside the leaking one. It's difficult to see what the government could do which BP aren't doing (except that second well). This isn't a money issue, it's a technology issue.


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    I think they already are drilling a relief well...and I would say that it absolutely is an issue of money.....money that wasn't spent on the technology necessary to prevent such a disaster. Money that probably should have been spent a long time ago for a worst case scenario type of situation. I keep hearing these execs saying they have spent all of this money in the private sector funding companies to develop these technologies. EPIC FAIL. Either that, are they are lying to our faces.

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    Re: Deepwater Horizon~Gulf of Mexico oil spill disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDragon24 View Post
    I think they already are drilling a relief well...and I would say that it absolutely is an issue of money.....money that wasn't spent on the technology necessary to prevent such a disaster. Money that probably should have been spent a long time ago for a worst case scenario type of situation. I keep hearing these execs saying they have spent all of this money in the private sector funding companies to develop these technologies. EPIC FAIL. Either that, are they are lying to our faces.
    That simply makes no sense. BP is in business to get the oil and make $$. Why would they take any action that would risk production and getting more $$ into their grubby lil hands? It's not good for their business to take shortcuts and they know it.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Re: Deepwater Horizon~Gulf of Mexico oil spill disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    That simply makes no sense. BP is in business to get the oil and make $$. Why would they take any action that would risk production and getting more $$ into their grubby lil hands? It's not good for their business to take shortcuts and they know it.
    same reason Monsanto dumped PCB's in anniston Alabama, they thought they could get away with it.
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    Re: Deepwater Horizon~Gulf of Mexico oil spill disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    That simply makes no sense. BP is in business to get the oil and make $$. Why would they take any action that would risk production and getting more $$ into their grubby lil hands? It's not good for their business to take shortcuts and they know it.
    You obviously have ignored the history of this particular well. And there is no reason to expect that it is unique.

    I was thinking about starting a thread on this a few days ago seeing how you guys had ignored it, but I didn't want to be in anyway responsible for the resulting blithering.

    Just couldn't resist the temptation to take cheap shots at the president, could you. Beck would be proud.


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    Re: Deepwater Horizon~Gulf of Mexico oil spill disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Meridian View Post
    How? As best I can tell, BP are doing everything possible with one exception: the politically messy option of drilling a relief well alongside the leaking one. It's difficult to see what the government could do which BP aren't doing (except that second well). This isn't a money issue, it's a technology issue.


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    My take also. Despite all the administrations finger wagging and claims to be in charge, what are they gonna do? Take over?? Seriously?? Some people need to give that line of thought 2 seconds of real skull sweat. The feds have neither the equipment or expertise to do jack sh*t. So what exactly are they gonna do? Is Obama gonna use his massively overstated power of persuasion to plug the hole? So far the hole seems to give as much a sh*t about him as I do. Perhaps his ego might be big enough to plug it.. but the feds have no means to deliver it on target a mile under the ocean. So we are stuck with BP... period.

    Justin, we're all for viable energy alternatives and conservation. But the root cause of this problem is the fact we've made the easily available resources (oil) off limits. Cutting off the oil spigot before we have a viable alternative is simply suicidal. So here we are... drilling a mile under the ocean and pretty much helpless until BP gets things fixed. How long do you think it woulda taken to cap a well in ANWR or even in the much shallower water off our other coastlines had a similar series of malfunctions occurred? Probably would have been fixed the same day on land and within a few days off the shallower coast lines.

    Good read here:

    Whose Blowout Is It, Anyway?

    WASHINGTON -- Heres my question: Why are we drilling in 5,000 feet of water in the first place?

    Many reasons, but this one goes unmentioned: Environmental chic has driven us out there. As production from the shallower Gulf of Mexico wells declines, we go deep (1,000 feet and more) and ultra deep (5,000 feet and more), in part because environmentalists have succeeded in rendering the Pacific and nearly all the Atlantic coast off-limits to oil production. (President Obama's tentative, selective opening of some Atlantic and offshore Alaska sites is now dead.) And of course, in the safest of all places, on land, weve had a 30-year ban on drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

    So we go deep, ultra deep -- to such a technological frontier that no precedent exists for the April 20 blowout in the Gulf of Mexico.

    There will always be catastrophic oil spills. You make them as rare as humanly possible, but where would you rather have one: in the Gulf of Mexico, upon which thousands depend for their livelihood, or in the Arctic, where there are practically no people? All spills seriously damage wildlife. Thats a given. But why have we pushed the drilling from the barren to the populated, from the remote wilderness to a center of fishing, shipping, tourism and recreation?

    Not that the environmentalists are the only ones to blame. Not by far. But it is odd that theyve escaped any mention at all.

    The other culprits are pretty obvious. It starts with BP, which seems not only to have had an amazing string of perfect-storm engineering lapses but no contingencies to deal with a catastrophic system failure.

    However, the railing against BP for its performance since the accident is harder to understand. I attribute no virtue to BP, just self-interest. What possible interest can it have to do anything but cap the well as quickly as possible? Every day that oil is spilled means millions more in losses, cleanup and restitution.

    Federal officials who rage against BP would like to deflect attention from their own role in this disaster. Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, whose departments laxity in environmental permitting and safety oversight renders it among the many bearing responsibility, expresses outrage at BPs inability to stop the leak, and even threatens to "push them out of the way."

    "To replace them with what? asked the estimable, admirably candid Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the national incident commander. No one has the assets and expertise of BP. The federal government can fight wars, conduct a census and hand out billions in earmarks, but it has not a clue how to cap a one-mile-deep out-of-control oil well.


    Obama didn't help much with his finger-pointing Rose Garden speech in which he denounced finger-pointing, then proceeded to blame everyone but himself.
    Even the grace note of admitting some federal responsibility turned sour when he reflexively added that these problems have been going on for a decade or more -- translation: Bush did it -- while, in contrast, his own interior secretary had worked diligently to solve the problem from the day he took office.

    Really? Why hadn't we heard a thing about this? What about the September 2009 letter from Obama's National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration accusing Interior's Minerals Management Service of understating the "risk and impacts" of a major oil spill? When you get a blowout 15 months into your administration, and your own Interior Department had given BP a "categorical" environmental exemption in April 2009, the buck stops.

    In the end, speeches will make no difference. If BP can cap the well in time to prevent an absolute calamity in the Gulf, the president will escape politically. If it doesn't -- if the gusher isn't stopped before the relief wells are completed in August -- it will become Obama's Katrina.

    That will be unfair, because Obama is no more responsible for the damage caused by this than Bush was for the damage caused by Katrina. But that's the nature of American politics and its presidential cult of personality: We expect our presidents to play Superman. Helplessness, however undeniable, is no defense.

    Moreover, Obama has never been overly modest about his own powers. Two years ago next week, he declared that history will mark his ascent to the presidency as the moment when "our planet began to heal" and "the rise of the oceans began to slow."

    Well, when you anoint yourself King Canute, you mustnt be surprised when your subjects expect you to command the tides.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Re: Deepwater Horizon~Gulf of Mexico oil spill disaster

    JustinC939 summarizes this as plainly as I would.

    Simple:
    1: Don't drill oil in such a vulnerable and valuable resource such as the ocean. The ocean is already suffering enough, now we gotta deal with polluting more of the world.
    2: Serves us right for not endorsing alternative fuels. Solar, wind, Wave (& Tidal) and Geo-thermal energies are capable of providing at least 1000 times the energy which oil is capable of providing. Wake up people, there is nothing wrong with breathing clean air, and we have enough plastic floating in the ocean already! No organism is able to degrade plastic, which means that every piece that is made which is discarded and not incinerated still exists floating around in the place that is downhill from everything. Plastics are another byproduct which we rely on from oil that is also killing our world. Look up Garbage patch

    I am waiting for the day when the Russians or some other country drive over there with some military vessel and cleans up the mess made from America. After all, this problem is a world wide issue, which involves every country which the oil may drift to. Only a matter of time before someone gets pissed off and takes over this operation.
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    Re: Deepwater Horizon~Gulf of Mexico oil spill disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Pixels303 View Post
    1: Don't drill oil in such a vulnerable and valuable resource such as the ocean. The ocean is already suffering enough, now we gotta deal with polluting more of the world.
    2: Serves us right for not endorsing alternative fuels. Solar, wind, Wave (& Tidal) and Geo-thermal energies are capable of providing at least 1000 times the energy which oil is capable of providing.

    1. That’s simply because environmental extremists and politicians force them to drill in undesirable places like deep water by closing down easy access land based property for drilling.

    2. Got a link?


    btw… I’m not defending BP I’m just pointing out there is a lot of pieces to this puzzle.
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