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    DreamCatcher AM3

    Now that more than just the CPU is AM3 in DreamCatcher (I Lied, DreamCatcher is Now v4.0 - Will This Be The Last?) decided to change the title again.

    So to start here be the specs........

    Mobo: MSI 785GM-E65
    CPU: PII X4 955 w/ Cuplex XT di
    PSU: MODU82+ EMD525AWT
    GPU: XFX GTX 285 w/ EK-FC285 GTX Block
    HDD: Seagate 7200.10 ST380815AS 80GB
    Memory: F3-12800CL7D-2GBPI (may get a second set for 4 x 1GB)
    OS: M$ XP Pro SP3 (Looking to go Win7 soon)
    Last edited by jedihobbit; 06-22-2010 at 03:13 PM.

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    Re: DreamCatcher AM3

    The last several weeks has seen building going at a snail's pace as I’m split in three directions, but hope to pick up speed soon. Did manage to get some of the components transferred over.......

    To get things rolling decided to mount the EK water block to the XFX GTX285, which shows my change in bling. Before, I was totally wowed with copper, now it is on to “nickel” for a base color. Zalman can be tagged as the culprit as I’ve always loved their copper coolers, and now the transformation is also because of them. I’m now into the NT series of the cpu coolers which is a “burnish” nickel. On a side note I was originally going to use the BFG 285 OC that was the RMA for the WC’ed 280 but it is Rev2 with the water block rev1. However, was lucky in that the XFX unit was the older PCB layout.

    Now on to the “conversion”……..

    Here we have the 285 bare and ready for the big drag, EK provides a 1mil and a 0.5mil “sheet” of thermal tape. Because of the limited amount of material a large number of wee squares were required to be cut and applied. For me the only positive was I shanghaied a friend to do that part!!



    Now on to apply the TM, try to get everything to line up when sticking them together, and tighten the screws. Unlike other coolers I’ve used no spring loaded screws were used so care was taken in tightening everything up. Here are several pictures of it together, some smaller details, and just shots for S & Gs.



    Next up was mounting the water blocks on the 785 and I won’t bore you with the “assembly” part as that has changed from the prior two times. Mobo, water blocks and gpu at the beginning, the 955BE, and the cpu and nb coolers in place. Finished it off by seeing how the gpu looked.


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    Re: DreamCatcher AM3

    As my time will be spent between one new build and two re-builds, update may be sporadic. For those of you that are not familiar with the genealogy of DreamCatcher or would like a review thought I drop some links.

    DreamCatcher
    DreamCatcher v2.0 “Worklog”
    DreamCatcher v3.0
    DreamCatcher v3.5
    DreamCatcher is Now v3.5 Worklog - The Last Version!

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    Re: DreamCatcher AM3

    “Houston we have lift off!”

    Finally got around to starting the leak testing before cramming it into the SG01. As I had a question about what a leak test really is, I ended up doing what Bubba over at LR suggested.

    Before my entire leak testing was done static……I’d run the pump long enough to get most if not all the bubbles out and then turn off the PSU. Why?? Came from the old school of “if you don’t have the power supply hooked up to the mobo when running you will bork it.” However I was reassured that if I had a load on the PSU besides the pump I should be alright. So out of the F/S box I dug out an older 600W unit, plugged in the Aquaduct 240 and a couple of fans and turned it on. 1-1/2 hours later still running and no leaks. Guess a 12 – 14 hour run should be sufficient??

    Any way you have the mobo plumbed up getting ready to hookup to the pump/rad/fan assembly, the test starting, a couple of shots of the Ek block (sure is purrddy with the blue coolant), and an overall view of the “test system”.



    As mentioned earlier there was a slight issue with the NB and Mosfet cooler that comes with the MSI 785GM-E65…… the two coolers are connected with a heatpipe! It wouldn’t be a biggy except I want to keep the stock Mosfet cooler in place. Again I did some engineering by “Kliens”……snip and tuck!!



    Sure hope I don’t have to RMA this board!!

    Now on to the system with no name to do some engineering on the fly there.

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    Re: DreamCatcher AM3

    Now it has begun……….making the blivit that is DreamCatcher AM3!



    And then ass_u_me_ing things would fit as before bit me. Remember me mentioning earlier how the mosfet fan clearing the CPU water block was different for each board I dealt with? This time it became an issue……….I’ve gone from the fan sitting on top of a thumb screw to this spacing.



    When I started putting the mobo assembly into the case and hooking up the bulkhead connectors a discovery was made. The intake tube to the CPU block was too short! So had to drain the system and replace it.



    Also decided to install the memory and mount the memory cooler. Here is where hardware changed a bit. Because of having a death wish I’ve ordered different memory for “the build without a name” so ended up using both 2 x 1GB kits here. Then I go and hid this nice looking G. Skill with a Corsair Dominator cooler.



    Because I had to replace the intake tube and shorten the one that goes from the CPU to the GPU it was decided to do a short version of a leak test.



    Because of having to change out the tubing the coolant level was low and this brings me to the main thing I do not like about the Aquaduct 240. One needs to remove the whole top plate to fill it.



    The leak test has run for about 2 hours now with no leak so going to turn it off and let sit static. Time to crash as I want to get up early to finish fitting the stuff in the case and start painting some parts of no name build.

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    Re: DreamCatcher AM3

    Well it seems I’ve just wasted 24+ hours this weekend!!!! So it was leak tested twice over two days (out side the case) then assembled today in the case getting all the wire management and bling snit just right. So I power the sucker up and no video! I can't tell if it is booting or not as there are also no audible beeps, peeps, or screams (other than mine of course). Don't even have the power led or hdd led showing anything. However all fans and the water cooling system is running. Just for S & G's checked the +12 at the four-pin mobo connector and the gpu and they were right on the money. Anyway this setup was running fine on air in another box (one my Kermit versions). On a side note.....after toasting the assembly I reassembled it with the original components in its first incarnation with water cooling just to be folding. Had the same results. While I don't really feel like it and time is short guess I take everything apart and test it on the Tech Station to see what happens. That way I can change things out piece by piece easier.

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    Re: DreamCatcher AM3

    BTW I did clear the bios (cmos jumper) more than once.....even took the battery out! And yes remembered to put the jump back!

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    Re: DreamCatcher AM3

    Guess I’ll go ahead and show you the pix I took while putting it together that ended in the non-boot. Decided to do a bit of wire management differently, usually I put everything together and then try to find hiding places for the excess cable. However this time I tried putting know cables and wires away neatly as I went along. It seemed to help sum but let’s face it, it is a mATX so you can hid only so much.

    We’ll start with trying to figure out where to hid stuff up to and including some views that show what I consider to be 90%+ completed. Between trying to get rid of bubbles and trying to place cables the ability to disconnect from the Aquaduct sure was a plus. Now I just got to get it to run!!! I can’t handle the “show and no go” mode. As some have asked “why?” - I threw in a picture to show why the tubing is on the left side as I would have had to use at least on 90 degree elbow to miss the PSU hanger.

    I gotta make this thing work if for no other reason than to show off that EK water block!!!


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    Re: DreamCatcher AM3

    Yesterday evening

    Been a slow week!!! Spent the last couple of days trying to re-paint the chassis of the No Name build and look at DC AM3.

    did mangae to take it out of the case last night. Didn't notice anything "obvious" on the back side, and then mounted it on the Tech Station. Will be hooking up the PSU and the rest tonight along with honey dos and again working on painting. Here is the system out of the box and then on the test stand. The more I work with the EK waterblock the more I want this case to work so it can be seen!!!




    Today around 21:30

    Okay long story short........system wouldn't boot up (or at least show video). Unplugged the GPU and tried the on board >> nope! On a wild hair swapped out the PSU and nope....

    Standing there with it on scratching my head, then got a wild hair and desided to do something stupid.......I wiggled the NB water block and the scarry part is I now have a working system!

    Soooooo put the 285 back in, went back to the original PSU, and loosened the two nuts that hold the NB cooler in place. The system boots up without issue. Right now I can only think of a couple of things 1. the block was literially "too tight" on the chip, or 2. it was not "flat" and may have been touching something on the mobo.

    So it looks like I will be putting it back in the box with the hope stuff won't shift the cooler and I can find my friggen notes on my overclock as I can't find anything on the 'puter!

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    Re: DreamCatcher AM3

    Well ladies & gents I give you DreamCatcher AM3……………

    Not sure what the issue was but it must have been related to the NB cooler. I had taken it out as mentioned before and it wouldn’t boot in the Tech Station. For whatever reason something told me to “wiggle” the NB cooler and BAM it booted up! I went in and loosened the nuts holding it in place and did “some adjustments” and it seems to have resolved the situation….your guess is as good as mine.

    After I had it running on the Tech Station, I mounted the mobo back in the SG01 and hooked up the minimum of stuff & it ran, next up was packing everything back together and powering up, then worked on the wire management. Think it is hit or miss there but “oh well”.



    So here it is “where it belongs”……….



    As it now stands I'm trying to do updates and that is when I found the one problem for now. Wanted to have a SATA combo drive in no name so stole the unit out of DC. It was replaced with an IDE unit from the old Kermit case. However for whatever reason it is not powering up or whatever. Also it had been painted green to match Kermit’s interior but now it is an “eye sore” here. So I guess that’ll be an upcoming project when I have the funding to do it.

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    Re: DreamCatcher AM3

    Here is a question for those that are “intimately” familiar with MSI motherboards.

    DC AM3 and Oz1a share kb, mouse, and monitor through a Linksys analog KVM. With exception of the two Abit NViews I had there haven’t been any issues ‘til now. When I initially hooked up the MSI 785GM-E65, there weren’t any problems. Had to use a PS2 to USB adaptor (KB) as there is only one PS2 socket (mouse). Now however I’ve had to hook directly from peripheral to computer. When in the bios and using the kb to key down the lists it’ll just start scrolling at high speed and it almost takes an act of God & Congress to get it to stop.

    Suggestions???? In its finally layout I want to share the monitor, kb, and mouse I’m using with my “primary” computer which will be an MSI when all said and done.

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    Re: DreamCatcher AM3

    Might check that you don't have a stuck key on the keyboard. Push firmly on the up/down arrows.


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    Re: DreamCatcher AM3

    This same occurance with the abit boards was with two different KBs haven't been able to test the MSI with a different KB as I only have the one PS2.

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    Re: DreamCatcher AM3

    It's a long shot but wonder if there is a disable setting for USB 2.0 in the BIOS
    which will make it use the slower USB 1.x speed

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    Re: DreamCatcher AM3

    Well in the “Can’t leave well enough alone” department just had another wild hair…….. seems I have the 150GB Raptor X “left over” from the old Kermit build. Happen to think it might be neat to cut a window in the “custom window” cover that is floating around so one could see the HDD as it is mounted in the top 5.25 bay. So why not replay the Seagate 80GB with the Raptor X and have its window show??? I have some EL wire sitting in the parts box of my 8+ year old unfinished build (Celtic Spirit) so use that to “illuminate” the drive??

    This ugly M$ Paint “sketch” show about where it would go….what-da-ya think?


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