The 2012 Election Thread

[Mountain Mania]

Romney did a good job ripping off the Conservative Mask that Santorum is wearing during last nights gop debate. Overall Mitt did a good job last night.

[7th Angel]

...For me to vote for Romney he would have to agree to a full audit of the FED and start the return of our country to a debt free monetary system. A full repeal of the patriot act, Obama care and certain parts of the NDAA. As well as ending federal involvement in issues that should be decided by the states.

There are many many other things i disagree with him on, including foreign policy. But if he did these things, i could vote for him...provided it came on a Romney/Paul ticket

So... we'll just let obama have another 4 years to finish destroying our country???

[Keven]

So... we'll just let obama have another 4 years to finish destroying our country???

That's the argument of all these Ron Paul guys. They're putting a figurative Obama gun to our heads and saying "If you don't vote Ron Paul, I'm going to shoot you."

[7th Angel]

That's the argument of all these Ron Paul guys. They're putting a figurative Obama gun to our heads and saying "If you don't vote Ron Paul, I'm going to shoot you."

Ron Paul has ZERO chance of getting elected. Allowing obama to have another term just because the Ron Paul zealots don't get their way is asinine.

If obama gets another term, we might as well burn the Constitution and save him the trouble.

[kbohip]

If obama gets another term, we might as well burn the Constitution and save him the trouble.

Too late! Bush already burned the Constitution before BO could get his hands on it.

[Keven]

Too late! Bush already burned the Constitution before BO could get his hands on it.

Not disagreeing with you, but what are you referring to, specifically?

[kbohip]

Not disagreeing with you, but what are you referring to, specifically?

Patriot Act, Iraq war, Homeland Security, auto industry bailout. These are a few things that imo anyway, a true conservative President shouldn't and wouldn't have done.

[Invictus]

So... we'll just let obama have another 4 years to finish destroying our country???

And you think Romney would be all that different? They may differ on surface issues, but they are essentially the same.

I dont see how people are getting excited over a guy who will continue to erode away at your personal liberties while at the same time adding over 2 trillion dollars to the debt.

YAY lets vote for more of the same

[7th Angel]

And you think Romney would be all that different? They may differ on surface issues, but they are essentially the same.

I dont see how people are getting excited over a guy who will continue to erode away at your personal liberties while at the same time adding over 2 trillion dollars to the debt.

YAY lets vote for more of the same

Absolutely Romney would be better! obama is the WORST president we've had. He makes jimmy carter look like a candidate for Mount Rushmore. I don't see how people are getting excited over reelecting a guy that is single-handedly destroying our nation.

[Invictus]

Absolutely Romney would be better! obama is the WORST president we've had. He makes jimmy carter look like a candidate for Mount Rushmore. I don't see how people are getting excited over reelecting a guy that is single-handedly destroying our nation.

I dont disagree about Obama being the worst president. And Romney will continue the exact same policies that Obama has enacted. Just as Obama continued the same policies Bush enacted.

What i dont get is how the Romney people think he will differ at all?

Why dont you explain the steps Romney would take to put this country back on the right track.

Start with explaining how 2 trillion more in debt and the erosion of our personal liberties help?

[tucker]

I think you'll find that's the other way around: because America has almost no true Socialists, their political compass has shifted way over to the right, so someone who gets just far enough Left to suggest that maybe you ought to help the poor gets branded as Left. The spectrum is much broader in Europe, and we get genuine Lefties here. The other issue is that many of the US seem to forget that the Political Compass has two axes, and therefore Liberal /= Left. In any country in Europe Obama would be a right of centre.

In case people aren't clear, Left/Right applies ONLY to economic views. Your views on abortion, gay marriage, etc etc, mark you out on the Liberal - Conservative axis. To be a Left-winger, you must believe in a Command Ecomony, with state control of all or more means of production, to believe in strong unions actually running companies, major wealth redistribution (not just a safety net) from rich to poor (in fact, you probably believe that being rich is automatically wrong), state-owned banks etc. Now compare all that with Obama's policies.


As for lying, well duh - he's a politician, of course he lies. The worrying thing is that you don't realise the same about the politicians you agree with, because they are just a bad. They all lie. Even Saint Ron.


M

Forget that political compass thing it’s just a nonsensical politic game, it means nothing.

I don’t know what you use for reference in your assumption America has shifted way to the right. I would guess what socialist teachers, professors, news media, political commentators and what the government tells you is your reference.

I’ve been following politics in the United States since the time JFK took office. There is no denying the size and scope of government has dramatically increased. There is no denying social programs are driving the United States into bankruptcy. There is no denying the federal government is involved in what are supposed to be private sector corporations. 16 trillion dollars in debt due to out of control government spending, most of it supporting nanny state government and absolutely senseless government grants and agencies.

I don’t agree that you can separate liberal from left and conservative from right. That goes against what is obviously happening.

Politics is not a static thing it constantly changes and evolves. The definitions of conservative and liberal has change a lot in the last 45 years. The definition of socialism and communism are not the same as they were 45 years ago. They are constantly trying to come up with new ways to fool and deceive the naïve.

When the government starts basing healthcare on computers programmed for price efficiency instead of doctor patient decisions there is something wrong. When the government can tell you what kind of light bulb you must use there is something wrong. When the government can tell you what to eat and what not to eat there’s something wrong. I mean what’s next the Department of Politically Correct and Environmentally Friendly Butt Wiping?

I would agree Western Europe is a little more socialist/communist than the United States. The damn thing is this president and his regime has this country on a runaway train heading for the same European socialism/communism you have or maybe something far worse.

[7th Angel]

I dont disagree about Obama being the worst president. And Romney will continue the exact same policies that Obama has enacted. Just as Obama continued the same policies Bush enacted.

What i dont get is how the Romney people think he will differ at all?

Why dont you explain the steps Romney would take to put this country back on the right track.

Start with explaining how 2 trillion more in debt and the erosion of our personal liberties help?

I'm MORE concerned about the US Supreme Court. Judicial appointments have a more far reaching effect on our personal liberties than any one president. At this point in time, there is a 5-4 conservative majority. Give obama another 4 years and we can kiss our country AND what ever liberties we have left, goodbye! It's time for America to put this ARROGANT MISTAKE behind us and consider the ramifications of an obama Supreme Court.

[Invictus]

I'm MORE concerned about the US Supreme Court. Judicial appointments have a more far reaching effect on our personal liberties than any one president. At this point in time, there is a 5-4 conservative majority. Give obama another 4 years and we can kiss our country AND what ever liberties we have left, goodbye! It's time for America to put this ARROGANT MISTAKE behind us and consider the ramifications of an obama Supreme Court.

We all understand the ramifications. But now your assuming that the guy, who lost to the guy, who lost last around to Obama, can now beat him. The guy no one is excited for. The guy who will almost certainly lose the independent vote to Obama. You actually think he has a chance?

[7th Angel]

We all understand the ramifications. But now your assuming that the guy, who lost to the guy, who lost last around to Obama, can now beat him. The guy no one is excited for. The guy who will almost certainly lose the independent vote to Obama. You actually think he has a chance?

What kind of logic is that? In 1976, Ronald Reagan lost to Gerald Ford, who lost to jimmy carter. In 1980, the guy, who lost to the guy, who lost to carter, was elected in a landslide, defeating an inept incumbent. Romney is NO Ronald Reagan, but obama IS the second coming of jimmy carter!
Do I actually think Romney has a chance??? If he's nominated, he WILL beat obama.

[Keven]

New Gallup poll, Feb 24 2012

in an election, who would you vote for?

Obama - 46%
Romney - 50%

First time a named Republican has beaten Obama in the polls, I believe.

And while I'm on gallup.com:

Presidential Approval Rating after 1,122 days in office

Eisenhower - 75%
Nixon - 56%
Reagan - 54%
Clinton - 53%
Carter - 52%
Bush 43 - 51%
Johnson - 47%
Obama - 45%
Truman - 39%
Bush 41 - 39%