The 2012 Election Thread

[liteman]

Been in the race what.. two days? And the libtards over at MSDNC are already editing video for the race card. They really fear Perry...

NBC News Caught Red Handed ‘Selectively Editing’ & ‘ Doctoring’ Video to Smear Gov Perry as Racist

Yeah, we all know Breitbart would never show edited video against someone they don't like would they?

[liteman]

Until someone comes along with more insight and b*lls- today I would be voting for Ron Paul. I simply don't agree with a couple of things, but he has a far better handle on who are raping and plundering this country away from the people that make up far more of it.

I am bone tired of George Bush, et al- and why the people would want yet a 4th term ....

Ron Paul's a real small government guy, which is why he'd never get the nod. Repubs are all for small government, just the small government they want, not what Paul would do.

Paul would cut military, most teabaggers and neo-cons don't want that. There's many more things Paul would do that the GOP and Pea Tardy wouldn't go along with.

[AeroSim]

Huh? All these others are better how?

Well, at least the media is trying to agree with you... (note: I almost put this in the MSM thread)

[AMDScooter]

Huh? All these others are better how?

Well, at least the media is trying to agree with you... (note: I almost put this in the MSM thread)

Better? That's subjective. YMMV. Do the "others" have an actual chance at winning? Yes. And by an order of magnitude.

Pretty easy to see why no one in the media (or majority of registered voters for that matter) take Paul seriously as a presidential candidate. He simply has 0 chance of doing anything other then excelling at the straw poll and raising money. I mean grats to him.. it's not a small feat. I like some of what he says on fiscal issues despite being put off by much of what he says on everything else. But the guy consistently hovers in single digits among repugs. Which is why no one on the left or right takes him seriously as a candidate for the WH. The fact that he runs as a (R) tells me right off he's more interested in being in politics as an elected representative than an honest to goodness Libertarian who has no chance of winning. Do keep that in consideration when thinking about his strength of conviction.

That Stewart tries to hide his message in a supposed bit about media malpractice is not surprising. He's as intellectually dishonest as many of the other libberal agenda pushers in Hollyweird. The only reason Stewart even brings Paul up is because it furthers his agenda to tie Paul's really objectionable foreign policy ideas (like Iran/blame America first) to the Tea Party. Notice how Stewart draws special attention to Paul's rant and the audiences reaction. Did Stewart bother to tell anyone that there were several rows of very vocal Paul supporters who made a ruckus any time he spoke? Nope. That'd put the kibosh on his inference that the joint went wild agreeing with what Paul was shoveling and take away an opportunity for him to pimp his own thoughts on "unsustainable wars".

Did the media "slight" Paul? IMHO not really... good or bad he's simply not a factor on the national stage. And Stewart.. he should stick to clown nose off where he can be funny at times.

My2c.

[Keven]

The money man...link

I'd say that I'm 95% sure that Ryan won't run, but, last time I doubted Dutch I turned out wrong.

[kbohip]

Better? That's subjective. YMMV. Do the "others" have an actual chance at winning? Yes. And by an order of magnitude.

Pretty easy to see why no one in the media (or majority of registered voters for that matter) take Paul seriously as a presidential candidate. He simply has 0 chance of doing anything other then excelling at the straw poll and raising money. I mean grats to him.. it's not a small feat. I like some of what he says on fiscal issues despite being put off by much of what he says on everything else. But the guy consistently hovers in single digits among repugs. Which is why no one on the left or right takes him seriously as a candidate for the WH. The fact that he runs as a (R) tells me right off he's more interested in being in politics as an elected representative than an honest to goodness Libertarian who has no chance of winning. Do keep that in consideration when thinking about his strength of conviction.

That Stewart tries to hide his message in a supposed bit about media malpractice is not surprising. He's as intellectually dishonest as many of the other libberal agenda pushers in Hollyweird. The only reason Stewart even brings Paul up is because it furthers his agenda to tie Paul's really objectionable foreign policy ideas (like Iran/blame America first) to the Tea Party. Notice how Stewart draws special attention to Paul's rant and the audiences reaction. Did Stewart bother to tell anyone that there were several rows of very vocal Paul supporters who made a ruckus any time he spoke? Nope. That'd put the kibosh on his inference that the joint went wild agreeing with what Paul was shoveling and take away an opportunity for him to pimp his own thoughts on "unsustainable wars".

Did the media "slight" Paul? IMHO not really... good or bad he's simply not a factor on the national stage. And Stewart.. he should stick to clown nose off where he can be funny at times.

My2c.

I detest Stewart, everyone here knows that. BUT, he does bring up something very interesting here. It's become quite obvious to me that the media and especially the other so called candidates are damn scared of Ron Paul and his conservative views. Even so called conservatives are scared of him and are now all of a sudden putting Perry up on a pedestal.

I have to ask you Scoot, do you really believe the two wars (oops, I mean three now) we are in are sustainable in the long run? WITF are we even still in Iraq anyway?! Here we are almost 10 years later and we have trillions of dollars spent, thousands of dead soldiers and tens of thousands of seriously wounded soldiers and what do we have to show for it? So the first realistic Republican contender in a long time comes along, questions this and all of the other so called "conservative" merely scoff at him and do their very best to try and sweep him under the rug as fast as they can.

To me, Paul is almost like if there was a Democrat candidate who questioned the sustainability of all the social programs they are known to always support. That candidate wouldn't get anywhere in that party either, but it wouldn't be because they weren't right. I can already see that the Republican party is not taking the American public serious again, just like in 2008. They'll run whoever the banks tell them to just like last time and then sit around scratching their heads wondering how that darn Obama won again. It's a God Damned travesty what this country has become.

[Keven]

I detest Stewart, everyone here knows that. BUT, he does bring up something very interesting here. It's become quite obvious to me that the media and especially the other so called candidates are damn scared of Ron Paul and his conservative views. Even so called conservatives are scared of him and are now all of a sudden putting Perry up on a pedestal.

I have to ask you Scoot, do you really believe the two wars (oops, I mean three now) we are in are sustainable in the long run? WITF are we even still in Iraq anyway?! Here we are almost 10 years later and we have trillions of dollars spent, thousands of dead soldiers and tens of thousands of seriously wounded soldiers and what do we have to show for it? So the first realistic Republican contender in a long time comes along, questions this and all of the other so called "conservative" merely scoff at him and do their very best to try and sweep him under the rug as fast as they can.

To me, Paul is almost like if there was a Democrat candidate who questioned the sustainability of all the social programs they are known to always support. That candidate wouldn't get anywhere in that party either, but it wouldn't be because they weren't right. I can already see that the Republican party is not taking the American public serious again, just like in 2008. They'll run whoever the banks tell them to just like last time and then sit around scratching their heads wondering how that darn Obama won again. It's a God Damned travesty what this country has become.

Scared isn't it. Ron Paul is too smart for the average conservative voter.

Look during the debates. Candidates will get asked a question about how to fix the debt. The others will launch into big canned "red meat" phrases about cutting entitlements and slew bumper stick slogans, while Ron Paul launches into an economic lecture about the Federal Reserve. I love what he's saying, but I think the average conservative sees a mix of a college professor and tin foil homeless man when they see Ron Paul.

Ron Paul will never dumb down his message, so I can't see him winning the nomination.

Look at Herman Cain. All he does is spew red state bumper sticker slogans like "I want to take a sledgehammer to the Federal Budget" and "I'm not a professional politician. I'm a professional problem solver." And he was #2 in the polls for a while there.

[AeroSim]

Better? That's subjective. YMMV. Do the "others" have an actual chance at winning? Yes. And by an order of magnitude.

Pretty easy to see why no one in the media (or majority of registered voters for that matter) take Paul seriously as a presidential candidate. He simply has 0 chance of doing anything other then excelling at the straw poll and raising money. ...

My2c.

Jon Stewart aside, what is it about being second place in this straw poll?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...cy_110897.html

This straw poll proved to be an accurate predictor of the precinct caucuses in winter 1980. Bush again came in first, ahead of Ronald Reagan.

Scooter- take my word for this after going through Viet and having been through all this BS with communism. I am someone who has had skin in this game.

Get out of this f*king war now while we're ahead. We got Bin Laden, we got Hussein. We aren't going to change anything threatening fire and damnation on Iran and if Afghanistan can't handle the Taliban on their own, then they deserve them. By now they ought to get what we can do when we're p*ssed. Wtf are we going to make better militarily right now? We should be considering trade options and investment capital right now- instead we have people pumping themselves to pump up more debt getting involved in conflicts where we must consider no other options. The world will respect us and probably want to join us more if we're the victim and not the criminal. And frankly- no one in their right mind wants to go straight up with us.

Right now we are on the precipice of depression. These conflicts aren't going to solve it and we have fish we need to to fry right here- and Paul seems to be the only candidate in both parties who has a clue as to what that is.

[madhatter256]

^^ goes w/o saying it's a good thing that corndog eating pic wasn't of Michelle Obama ... But as long as it's all fun and games...

don't forget dessert...

[AeroSim]

^^ goes w/o saying it's a good thing that corndog eating pic wasn't of Michelle Obama ... But as long as it's all fun and games...

I heard a pretty good one-

In coverage of the Democrats in Iowa:

"At the Republican straw poll, they were having corn dogs with Michelle Bachmann, while Democratic party officials were having a cornhole tournament ... without bean bags."

[tucker]

I want to like Ron Paul but when I see one of his anti-war, anti-national defense isolationist rants like the one he did at the last debate it makes me wonder about his mental stability. To me he looked like an extremist of the first order.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya are no longer conservatives wars they are wars that belong to Obama and his political whims. All 3 could end today as far as I'm concerned.

The idea the United States can isolate from the rest of the world militarily with no consequences is a nonsensical fallacy. Looking at the current state of world affairs I think a strong national defense and a strong military is more important than ever. We can isolate but sooner or later trouble is going to find us, like it or not. A presidents most important job is protecting the country and the American people. I have real concerns about Ron Paul's ability to do that.

It's not matter of "smart" it's a matter of commonsense and survival.

[madhatter256]

^^^something I agree with

If Ron Paul is president, we'd be speaking Russian and Chinese as we'd be invaded by them...

[AeroSim]

^^^something I agree with

If Ron Paul is president, we'd be speaking Russian and Chinese as we'd be invaded by them...

What? Why risk invasion while our current breed of politicians have already betrayed and sold us out to both and more- without a shot being fired.

What the Chinese don't have, we're in the process of selling to them in many sectors- including some aerospace.

Hint: figure out where the battle really needs to be fought. Get rid of our current status quo.

[liteman]

That's just it the status quo of the repubs wouldn't let Paul get anything done if he were to get in.

They don't want to really spend less, just on what they want to. They'd cut entitlements, regulations and increase defense, etc. No net gains, just more losses. They're as tied to their bosses as the dems are, they just talk a better game.

[Dutchcedar]

Rick Perry said global warming is based on scientists manipulating data. He said he wouldn't devote federal resources to battling the environmental concern.

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