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  1. #826
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    Re: The 2012 Election Thread

    ^^^ Judging from personal experience and what I see now I would probably never do it again.

    Semper Fidelis is an old fashion illusion that has no meaning or identity in today’s politically correct socialist world.

    It is a pity…

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    Re: The 2012 Election Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDragon24 View Post
    It's the difference that matters Dutch. Romney is within 4 points. McCain was within 7. Romney is the only one closer than 7.

    Nothing wrong with your eyesight
    Interesting you have to defend yourself over a poll that's called idiocy. Interesting tact that allows nothing to be addressed.

    From your link....
    Americans strongly disagree with the statements Rick Perry made about Social Security in last week's Republican Presidential debate, and Barack Obama has nearly doubled his lead over Perry nationally in the span of just 3 weeks.
    Only 20% of voters agree with Perry that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme to 70% who dissent from that statement. Democrats (4/87) and independents (20/69) are pretty universal in their disagreement with Perry and even Republicans (39/49) don't stand with him on this one. When it comes to the possibility of actually ending Social Security voters are even more unanimous- 82% oppose taking that step to only 10% who would be supportive of it. If Perry ends up as the Republican nominee and Democrats can effectively convince the electorate that he does want to end Social Security it could be an extremely damaging issue for him.
    I don't understand why the right won't admit that Romney is both in trouble as he tries to appeal (another turn around, lol) to the TP element and is the only candidate that has a chance with the middle and left.

    I can add a lot of things to the Perry Social Security issue, like how he cut budgets for firefighters so they had to pay for their own materials while being understaffed to fight the devastating fires in Texas. Or how Texas healthcare is one of the worst in the nation.

    But hey, I heard the applause in the GOP debates for executions and people dieing because they chose not to have healthcare. I love it. A party that has a solution to counter the birth increases brought by abstinence and abortion policies they wish to impose against the will of taxpayers while not protecting the population.

    It's pretty simple to me. Even if Obama can't turn things around while showing the ability to get the GOP on board on new programs, the GOP isn't guaranteed a win with Perry or Bachmann no matter what the majority who sees things the same way here might depict. Eventually there will have to be discussion and that will be in a debate between Obama and the GOP candidate.

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    Re: The 2012 Election Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    The spin on this one's gonna be great...
    "In this district, there is a large number of people who went to the polls tonight who didn’t support the president to begin with and don’t support Democrats — and it’s nothing more than that."

    -Debbie Wasserman-Schultzy
    History says otherwise, but there ya go.

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    Re: The 2012 Election Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    Interesting you have to defend yourself over a poll that's called idiocy. Interesting tact that allows nothing to be addressed.

    From your link....
    I don't understand why the right won't admit that Romney is both in trouble as he tries to appeal (another turn around, lol) to the TP element and is the only candidate that has a chance with the middle and left.

    I can add a lot of things to the Perry Social Security issue, like how he cut budgets for firefighters so they had to pay for their own materials while being understaffed to fight the devastating fires in Texas. Or how Texas healthcare is one of the worst in the nation.

    But hey, I heard the applause in the GOP debates for executions and people dieing because they chose not to have healthcare. I love it. A party that has a solution to counter the birth increases brought by abstinence and abortion policies they wish to impose against the will of taxpayers while not protecting the population.

    It's pretty simple to me. Even if Obama can't turn things around while showing the ability to get the GOP on board on new programs, the GOP isn't guaranteed a win with Perry or Bachmann no matter what the majority who sees things the same way here might depict. Eventually there will have to be discussion and that will be in a debate between Obama and the GOP candidate.
    Well, I won't be fooled into thinking that the people cheering for executions are going to be the ones who swing the election in 2012. Everything these candidates have said before will be spun into some sort of extreme view to get through the primaries, and then everything they said to get through the primaries will be spun to look more moderate for the election. Except for Ron Paul...he doesn't change and it shows, for better or worse.

    Guys like Dutch, who supported Romney in '08 and who has said on the record here that (paraphrased) "he could never forgive Romney for Romneycare" will find himself in a very forgiving mood if Romney gets the nomination, because, once again in his own words, "We've gotta get rid of the post turtle."

    There's gotta be some serious cognitive dissonance going on right now if you are a republican trying to choose one of these guys. If I were looking at Romney and Perry I would choose Romney in a heartbeat because if you are going to be choosing between two guys who have a history of not being so tea party like, then you might as well choose the guy who's got the best shot at winning.

    As a guy who will most likely be voting for Obama, I am praying for an Obama/Perry debate.

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    Re: The 2012 Election Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDragon24 View Post
    There's gotta be some serious cognitive dissonance going on right now if you are a republican trying to choose one of these guys. If I were looking at Romney and Perry I would choose Romney in a heartbeat because if you are going to be choosing between two guys who have a history of not being so tea party like, then you might as well choose the guy who's got the best shot at winning.

    As a guy who will most likely be voting for Obama, I am praying for an Obama/Perry debate.
    Lol, perry must be praying for that too. Like he prayed for God to help the country by silencing different views (getting churches to become political with disregard for tax exemptions) and asking for rain. Texas hit a record heatwave over 100° if the science can be a guide to that anti-science drivel.

    Edit:
    Speaking of Perry, he asked for and got Obama to declare Texas a disaster area for federal funds. Wonder how that fits into the anti-gov position...
    Last edited by otoc; 09-14-2011 at 01:14 PM.

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    Re: The 2012 Election Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDragon24 View Post

    Guys like Dutch, who supported Romney in '08 and who has said on the record here that (paraphrased) "he could never forgive Romney for Romneycare" will find himself in a very forgiving mood if Romney gets the nomination, because, once again in his own words, "We've gotta get rid of the post turtle."

    There's gotta be some serious cognitive dissonance going on right now if you are a republican trying to choose one of these guys.
    There's not cognitive dissonance every where you don't happen to understand things, BD. We're all faced with choices, sometimes clear choices, other times not so much.

    When the choice was between Romney and McCain, I went with Romney.

    When the choice was between McCain and Obambi, I went with McCain.

    Those were clear choices, but not perfect choices by any stretch.

    And yes, we've gotta get rid of the post turtle. He's the worst president we've had in my time of voting. I thought Jimmy Carter was bad, but Obambi's much worse. Please feel free to continue opining on that opinion... I'm very accustomed to clueless credit card liberals without solutions bandying about their critique.

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    Re: The 2012 Election Thread

    Will you vote for Obama in 2012?

    29% - Yes, I love my food stamps.
    21% - Jeez, I dunno, lemme go ask my wife.
    43% - Are you freakin' kiddin' me? Hell NO!!!

    Link to the right wing blog spreadin' the Bloomberg News

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    Re: The 2012 Election Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    History says otherwise, but there ya go.
    Don't the (D)'s have like a 3~4 to 1 registered voter advantage over the (R)'s in that district as well? or
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Re: The 2012 Election Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDragon24 View Post

    There's gotta be some serious cognitive dissonance going on right now if you are a republican trying to choose one of these guys. If I were looking at Romney and Perry I would choose Romney in a heartbeat because if you are going to be choosing between two guys who have a history of not being so tea party like, then you might as well choose the guy who's got the best shot at winning.

    As a guy who will most likely be voting for Obama, I am praying for an Obama/Perry debate.
    How about your cognitive dissonance? If you really want someone with the best shot at winning for yourself, why would you vote for Obama? I would press for another candidate to run against whoever gets the nod for the GOP. As things stand, he has no chance of winning no matter who is running against him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bk94si View Post
    How about your cognitive dissonance? If you really want someone with the best shot at winning for yourself, why would you vote for Obama? I would press for another candidate to run against whoever gets the nod for the GOP. As things stand, he has no chance of winning no matter who is running against him.
    ^^^ Seriously. Bamma is losing to "generic repuggie" by 5 points as of this time. The economy ain't gonna change. Bamma's "jobs" bill is getting resistance from his own party. And quite frankly like "health care reform".. the more people find out what's in it.. the less they like it.

    Twin defeats spark Democratic fears

    Bloomberg poll puts Obama re-elect number at … 29%

    Obama below 50% approval in … California?

    No way Obama’s jobs bill will pass the Senate, say — Democrats?

    Face it (D)'s.. your messiah is cooked. If you had a lick of horse sense you'd be looking to primary this twit. Instead you'll stick to badmouthing the repuggie field. Your negative crapola about the repuggies is not making the boy wonder in the WH look any more competent. The gig is up.. all outta hopium.

    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Re: The 2012 Election Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post

    And yes, we've gotta get rid of the post turtle. He's the worst president we've had in my time of voting.
    Gotta and doing it are two different things.

    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    .. your messiah is cooked. If you had a lick of horse sense you'd be looking to primary this twit. Instead you'll stick to badmouthing the repuggie field. Your negative crapola about the repuggies is not making the boy wonder in the WH look any more competent. The gig is up.. all outta hopium.

    Quote Originally Posted by bk94si View Post
    As things stand, he has no chance of winning no matter who is running against him.
    ^^^lol, bookmarked.

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    Re: The 2012 Election Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    Gotta and doing it are two different things.
    I really have to remember those words of wisdom. Dang, too many bookmarks...

    Here's another thing to bookmark... this from your post turtle pretzeldent:
    "We need to build an economy that lasts. If you love me, you gotta help me pass this bill."

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    Re: The 2012 Election Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    Gotta and doing it are two different things.

    ^^^lol, bookmarked.
    Bookmarking every time someone predicts Obama will fail in his reelection bid. I find that to be a common trait among you definitely not libberal demorat/Obama boot licking, centrist~libertarian types.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Re: The 2012 Election Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    Bookmarking every time someone predicts Obama will fail in his reelection bid. I find that to be a common trait among you definitely not libberal demorat/Obama boot licking, centrist~libertarian types.
    You find many traits to make people to the left of you seem diminished. Must be a trait of the right, right? I mean, I see nothing that supports your view considering I think Romney is the only one who has a chance of defeating Obama and he is struggling at this time. Yeah, so your point is that the truth is boot licking or that expressing an opinion is boot licking? How's that glass house of yours if the latter is true in your eyes?

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    Re: The 2012 Election Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    You find many traits to make people to the left of you seem diminished.
    There might indeed be many to the left of me. But there are not many to the left of you.

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    Must be a trait of the right, right? I mean, I see nothing that supports your view considering I think Romney is the only one who has a chance of defeating Obama and he is struggling at this time. Yeah, so your point is that the truth is boot licking or that expressing an opinion is boot licking? How's that glass house of yours if the latter is true in your eyes?
    "You see nothing"... how fitting.



    Seriously... apply for Wasshernames job.

    I mean.. it's plainly obvious that the messiah's followers would like for Romney to be the candidate. Heck.. he might still win the ticket. But your "I see nothing.." spin falls as flat as your messiah's post "jobs" speech poll bounce.

    Have you "not seen" the RCP average that show bamma losing by 5 points to "generic repuggie"?
    Have you "not seen" bamma's poll numbers are in the basement?
    Have you "not seen" the special election results last night that voters in NY said were a referendum on Bamma's policies?
    Have you "not seen" the congressional polls that are really bad...yet voters still favor repuggie congresscritters by 10 points?
    I could go on... but evidently you don't see much.

    Something is missing... all the supporting evidence for your opinion that the "only" candidate that "stands a chance" of beating the SCOAMF is Romney. I sure the heck have not seen any overwhelming wave of credible info to support that assumption. Sure.. the left (you) say it a lot of late. That hardly makes it true though.

    Keep bookmarking... but don't get off that prayer mat. Your messiah needs all the support he can get.

    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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