The 2012 Election Thread

[AMDScooter]

hmmm, Bush didn't sign the 2009 budget in 2008? What's your point scooter, that the GOp administration broke the law?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Un...federal_budget
So the 2009 Bush deficit was really 1 trillion dollars with .4 trillion added by Obama for relief due to the worst recession sine the great depression. Nice try...

Oh goodey another round of "who controlled Congress"!



Pelosi... Reid... who dey??

I guess we should also forget the current recession ended in June of 2009. Perhaps you can explain to the crowd why your messiah's policies have not turned the tide despite having complete control of the gubberment for 2 years and trillions more in debt?

lol, savings reforms brought on by bad spending in Medicaid is now gutting Medicaid even though you have nothing to offer as examples where there have been coverage issues? Nother good one.

Miss the update at the end?

Lol is right. It's funny for me as well to watch libberals like you spin in the wind whenever confronted with inconvenient facts. When exactly did you plan on addressing the double counting of $500 Billion raided from Medicare? I seem to remember your pal BD24 being really upset with his use of the Mediscare argument.

seems like the trend started way before Obama dude.

Who was the one who promised the last "stimulus" would lift 2 million outta poverty just a hair over 2 years ago?



Billions sunk down the progressive agenda sh*thole and things got worse. Keep walking.. nuthin' to see here.

What bull. It's a fact that the upper 1% has seen after tax income increases of close to 300% over the last 30 years while the middle and lower class has hardly kept up with inflation during the same time. There's your class warfare.

Nice chart and all.... but it only lends credence to my point that when your parties agenda fails you fall back on class warfare.

[Dutchcedar]

I guess we should also forget the current recession ended in June of 2009. Perhaps you can explain to the crowd why your messiah's policies have not turned the tide despite having complete control of the gubberment for 2 years and trillions more in debt?

I think the line of thinking goes like this:

When Boosh is strapped by a House and Senate run by Democrats, his spending is excessive and causes a recession. Congress has no power. Therefore, its Boosh's fault.

When Obambi is strapped by a House and Senate run by Democrats, his spending is a carry-over of Boosh spending. Congress doesn't have enough power. Therefore, its Boosh's fault.

When Obambi is strapped with a House run by Republicans, the economy is failing because of obstructionism. The House has too much power. Therefore, its Boosh's fault, 'cause the House is full of Booshites.

[BlackDragon24]

This is curious... I'm not sure if I'm reading frustration or sarcasm.

A bit of both.

You remember a lot of us balking at Bush's spending, so I won't take your comments on what Bush spent as something we conservatives went all in on. But to criticize Boosh for deficit spending, then pivoting to support Obambi for doing it a much larger scale is just plain weird. Illogical.

Aside from the bailouts, which "spending" did you balk at Dutch? This is curious to me as well. I only joined in 2003 so I didn't catch all of your balking at Bush when he passed the first or second tax cuts. Did you balk at any of the war funding resolutions that were on the table, say, after 2006, which was about 2 years longer than our leaders were telling us we needed to be there? Did you balk at the 2005 prescription drug bill giveaway to the tune of $500 bil that had to be passed through reconciliation to fund?

As to answer your questions as to why I support Obama's deficit spending over Bush's? Because Obama is black.

Just kidding. I support Obama's deficit spending simply because he's gotta do something to turn the economy around...cutting spending and waiting for businesses to start spending cash just aint gonna cut it. It's great republican politics because it will continue to make the economy worse, but it doesn't jive with my conscience.

Cutting Medicare. Forgive me, but I confuse Medicare and Medicaid a lot. I do know that Obambi whacked one of 'em to the tune of $500 billion. That's 1000 scamalicious solar panel factories.

No he didn't. It's a right wing lie if there ever was one that gets repeated over and over again. Cutting waste should be something that a conservative should understand.

Give rich people money? Gads. Do you really believe this? I mean, really? When you prepare your taxes and fill in that line about mortgage interest deductions, do you really think you're filing for a present from the government?

Who said anything about mortgage deductions? When I say "giving rich people more money", I mean continuing to allow them to operate at Bush level tax rates. Lower tax rates only work if people take that money and invest it.

Take money from poor people? This is more ridiculous than the giving rich people money line. Here's your food stamps Mr. Poor Person, in exchange for what we took from you when we taxed your smokes. C'mon man.

Ryan Budget. Nuff said. Lower tax rates and higher medicare costs. Last time I checked, people who need medicare need medicare a lot more than people who make 250K a year need lower tax rates.

Jesus. WTF do you know about him? I ask that because if you knew shit from shinola about him you'd be screaming about Obambi's plans to eliminate charitable deductions from the tax code. You know, those charitable deductions Jesus people use to offset the money they give to the poor people you're so danged worried about.

LOL. Dutch, if the "Jesus" people are willing to write a check ONLY if they are going to be able to "offset the money they give to the poor people" with a tax write off, well then let's just say I'm not convinced they are Jesus people. If that's the way the Jesus people work, then I don't think much of them or their phony ideology.

[bk94si]

I remember conservatives complaining about No Child Left Behind, Prescription drug coverage, and the Bush stimulus bill.

[Dutchcedar]

A bit of both.Aside from the bailouts, which "spending" did you balk at Dutch? This is curious to me as well. I only joined in 2003 so I didn't catch all of your balking at Bush when he passed the first or second tax cuts.

When we build a rock wall, we look at each rock and decide which side is the correct side. Obviously, the front side of my wall would be the backside of your wall. I know you're being cynical here because its quite clear that I don't see tax cuts as spending.

Did you balk at any of the war funding resolutions that were on the table, say, after 2006, which was about 2 years longer than our leaders were telling us we needed to be there? Did you balk at the 2005 prescription drug bill giveaway to the tune of $500 bil that had to be passed through reconciliation to fund?

No to the war funding, yes to the prescription drug bill and many others.

As to answer your questions as to why I support Obama's deficit spending over Bush's? Because Obama is black.

Just kidding.

I support Obama's deficit spending simply because he's gotta do something to turn the economy around...cutting spending and waiting for businesses to start spending cash just aint gonna cut it. It's great republican politics because it will continue to make the economy worse, but it doesn't jive with my conscience.

How's that workin' so far?

No he didn't. It's a right wing lie if there ever was one that gets repeated over and over again. Cutting waste should be something that a conservative should understand.

There hasn't been any cutting of waste. None. There was a $500 billion cut in funding. So what is it? Funding cuts without cuts in waste = what, exactly?

Who said anything about mortgage deductions? When I say "giving rich people more money", I mean continuing to allow them to operate at Bush level tax rates. Lower tax rates only work if people take that money and invest it.

Ah. I used mortgage deductions because you and I might understand them. I didn't realize you would like to see tax rates raised. Wow. That's never worked.

Ryan Budget. Nuff said. Lower tax rates and higher medicare costs. Last time I checked, people who need medicare need medicare a lot more than people who make 250K a year need lower tax rates.

... to each according to his need, eh? I dunno. I think that's been tried elsewhere.

LOL. Dutch, if the "Jesus" people are willing to write a check ONLY if they are going to be able to "offset the money they give to the poor people" with a tax write off, well then let's just say I'm not convinced they are Jesus people. If that's the way the Jesus people work, then I don't think much of them or their phony ideology.

I'm sure the Jesus people would still write checks. I simply don't see why the government should get a share of every charitable donation. Obambi's expectation here is clear... more government funds at the expense of fewer charitable donations.

And further, Jesus did say something about rendering unto Obambi Caesar that which is Obambi's Caesar's, but was not pushing the meme that Obambi Caesar should be expected to then render unto the needy.

You can't deny that a liberal's view of charity most often involves OPM (other people's money). You even describe it in this post of yours. Your compassion herein, at least, is expressed through the desire for the taking and redistributing of someone else's assets.

[AMDScooter]

^^^ Get with it Dutch.. we don't deserve to keep all the money we make.





Nice discussion on campaign issues and all.. looks like the special in NY has some serious national implications.

After NY-9, 50 Democrat-Held House Seats Could Be Competitive

Gawd please libberals.. keep blaming GWB and pushing for moar stimulus!

[AMDScooter]

Here is to more "good days" in the future queen twit..

Pelosi: Losing Weiner’s Seat Was ‘Good Day’—Will Make Democrats ‘Buckle Down’

[Enmore]

^ Does New York's 'District 9' have a giant alien space ship hovering over it too?

[tucker]

^^^ No not exactly… It has a lot of angry Jews because of Obambi’s treatment of Israel.

[Keven]

^^^ No not exactly… It has a lot of angry Jews because of Obambi’s treatment of Israel.

They should be angry. I still can't believe a Democratic president did what Obama did to Netanyahu. Never understood why Jewish people were Dems. The Democrats are the ones who pretend the Palestinians aren't savage people who blow up Israeli school buses.

"But the Israeli fire American-made cruise missiles into Palestine and kill an entire city block!"

Maybe if they're fired more of them, the Palestinians would stop blowing up buses.

Sorry folks, as I said in the gaming forum, lost my job unexpectedly and I'm a little punchy today. Drank three-quarters of a bottle of Smirnoff last night and Christ did I have the hangover to end all hangovers. Anyway, Obama is decidedly anti-Israel and I'm glad the Jewish community has finally woken up and noticed.

[Dutchcedar]

^^^ That sucks, Keven. Let's hope your next gig is an even better one.

I have a thought... or a brain fart... thinking that in 2012 there's a good chance there won't be many "battleground" states. I'm thinkin' a lot of the usual "battleground" states will be re-named in typical liberal fashion to something more politically correct, like "Obama hopes they change" states.

I'm sniffin' a bigger ass whoopin' than Jimah Carter got. Why? 'Cause on top of everything else, we're now seein' Obambi's scandals comin' out.

[Keven]

I'm sniffin' a bigger ass whoopin' than Jimah Carter got. Why? 'Cause on top of everything else, we're now seein' Obambi's scandals comin' out.

Yep, this President looks more and more like Jimmy Carter every day. The parallels are unending, actually.

[AMDScooter]

Sorry to hear about the yob thing Keven. Shake off the hangover... collect yourself and hit the ground running. Here's to your next better job.

I agree bamma is cooked and it's only gonna get worse over the next year. We already have Gunrunner~fast-n-furious/Solyndra coming to a slow boil. I'd be willing to bet there will be more with as much luggage as this prez dragged in from the windy city.

[Keven]

Clinton shook off his scandals and got reelected. But, Clinton presided over a good economy and did his silly policy strategy of triangulation which made him appealing to Democrats, moderates and moderate Republicans. Obama is standing guard over a terrible economy that he's made worse with ObamaCare (aka job killer), and after getting his knuckles slapped by the Far Left for extending the Bush tax cuts last December, Obama is going even MORE left.

[AMDScooter]

^^^ Even politico cannot help itself.. so much bad news for team "0" the stories are getting stacked.

Barack Obama's blue-state blues

President Obama under attack -- from Democrats

New Gallup: Obama slips with Jews

James Carville: Obama should ‘panic’