The 2012 Election Thread

[kbohip]

Sorry folks, as I said in the gaming forum, lost my job unexpectedly and I'm a little punchy today. Drank three-quarters of a bottle of Smirnoff last night and Christ did I have the hangover to end all hangovers. Anyway, Obama is decidedly anti-Israel and I'm glad the Jewish community has finally woken up and noticed.

It's because BO is a not so closet Muslim. OMG! I said it! Anyway, sorry to hear about your troubles Kevin. I hope you can move on to a better job. You seem like a pretty smart guy though so I wouldn't worry if I were you.

[otoc]

Oh goodey another round of "who controlled Congress"!

sure scoot. Ignore your own topic point that had a chart assigning debt to Obama that included a trillion in debt from bush and throw n a new chart that's old and one I've already responded to in detail a while ago. And how about that recession that ended months after the economic package. What's your new poInt here? That it made things better? You can't have it both ways.

[Dutchcedar]

...throw n a new chart that's old...

[/URL]

Hey, I needed a good laugh this mornin'.

[AMDScooter]

sure scoot. Ignore your own topic point that had a chart assigning debt to Obama that included a trillion in debt from bush and throw n a new chart that's old and one I've already responded to in detail a while ago. And how about that recession that ended months after the economic package. What's your new poInt here? That it made things better? You can't have it both ways.

Ignore it? I put a spotlight on it. That I do it in a way that kinda defeats your spin is an issue for you to work on. I had a good gut laugh the first time you offered the premise. I will continue to do so every time you pimp the idea that Congress has nuthin' to do with spending when a guy whose initials are GWB is in the WH. keep on "adressin'".. it's entertaining as h3ll.

My point about the recession ending in June of 2009 and where we are now is academic to most. What is making this post recession unemployment languish so long?


Clues. Which party had control of the Congress for 4 years and full control of the gubberment for 2?

&


Do those charts indicate stimulus 1 "made things better"? Well, perhaps to you and a few other enquirin' minds Ms. Wasshername. I could make a very compelling argument that things would be far better had Obama and his party gone on vacation for 2 years.

No "stimulus"...
No "obamacare"...
No auto bailout...
No cash-4-clunkers...
No mortgage "restructurin'"...
No "dodd fwank"...
No EPA going apsh*t...
No NRLB recess appointments leading to anti-business agenda...
No illegal gulf oil moratorium...

Etc. ... I could go on but my point is made. Anyone else think we'd be in a better place minus all that "luggage" obama and Co. have lumped on us? Obama owns all that craptastic stuff and more... the results of which we are living today. He owns it and it'll hang on his neck like an anchor in 2012.

He's done.

[otoc]

Ignore it?

Ignore your original point that Bushadded a trillion to the debt in 2009 and you assigned it to Obama? Yup. And you are still ignoring it while adding so many new topics of conversation.

Well, perhaps to you and a few other enquirin' minds Ms. Wasshername.

So now I'm "Ms. Wasshername" to you. Feel better now, or are you going to feel dejected that I'm not going to retaliate? And I'm the one who Aero banned.

I could make a very compelling argument that things would be far better had Obama and his party gone on vacation for 2 years.

No "stimulus"...
No "obamacare"...
No auto bailout...
No cash-4-clunkers...
No mortgage "restructurin'"...
No "dodd fwank"...
No EPA going apsh*t...
No NRLB recess appointments leading to anti-business agenda...
No illegal gulf oil moratorium...

NO no no no. Are you a Republican making up fantasy stories of what if/what might/what could while ignoring what happened to the worst recession since the Great Depression after the stimulus packeage was passed?

Obama owns all that craptastic stuff and more... the results of which we are living today. He owns it and it'll hang on his neck like an anchor in 2012.

He's done.

Right scoot. Got it, and bookmarked it for yet another prediction for 2012.

And it's all owned by Obama even though you argue its Congress and assign debt from Bush to the new guy who wasn't even in office when the 2009 budget was passed. I may ignore your childish namecalling but it's very hard to ignore how you ignore actual responses to points you make like magically throwing a trillion extra dollars in debt to the wrong president.

[AMDScooter]

Ignore your original point that Bushadded a trillion to the debt in 2009 and you assigned it to Obama? Yup. And you are still ignoring it while adding so many new topics of conversation.

Ignore it? Put the glue and plastic bag down for a few minutes and let the fumes clear. It's odd you notice the chart but still claim I'm "ignoring" the 2009 fiscal matters you brought up. Which party was running Congress in 2009? And lets not forget that Obama was a member of that congress as well.

Parse it any way you like. Your messiah and your party's policies are both a fiscal nightmare.



There simply ain't enough lipstick to cover that piggie.

So now I'm "Ms. Wasshername" to you. Feel better now, or are you going to feel dejected that I'm not going to retaliate? And I'm the one who Aero banned.

My.. lil touchy on the subject. Must be hitting close to home. It's light humor and you've leveled far worse at me personally... lighten up.

NO no no no. Are you a Republican making up fantasy stories of what if/what might/what could while ignoring what happened to the worst recession since the Great Depression after the stimulus packeage was passed?

It's a darn good thing you libberals don't evar (as in habitually) use some variation of the line that things would have been far worse without the "stimulus". That'd make your current opposition to my alternative view as to what would have happened had we not passed it awfully hypocritical.

Right scoot. Got it, and bookmarked it for yet another prediction for 2012.

Knock yerself out with the bookmarks...

And it's all owned by Obama even though you argue its Congress and assign debt from Bush to the new guy who wasn't even in office when the 2009 budget was passed. I may ignore your childish namecalling but it's very hard to ignore how you ignore actual responses to points you make like magically throwing a trillion extra dollars in debt to the wrong president.

Okey pokey. Enjoy your Friday delusion.

[otoc]

Ignore it? Put the glue and plastic bag down for a few minutes and let the fumes clear. It's odd you notice the chart but still claim I'm "ignoring" the 2009 fiscal matters you brought up. Which party was running Congress in 2009? And lets not forget that Obama was a member of that congress as well.

Parse it any way you like. Your messiah and your party's policies are both a fiscal nightmare.



There simply ain't enough lipstick to cover that piggie.





My.. lil touchy on the subject. Must be hitting close to home. It's light humor and you've leveled far worse at me personally... lighten up.



It's a darn good thing you libberals don't evar (as in habitually) use some variation of the line that things would have been far worse without the "stimulus". That'd make your current opposition to my alternative view as to what would have happened had we not passed it awfully hypocritical.



Knock yerself out with the bookmarks...







Okey pokey. Enjoy your Friday delusion.

ahhh. new charts and pics. Cool.
As to who is worst? The timeline is when I got got banned by Aero. Nothing here for you to complain about. Have a great night/day/weekend. Let me know when you can address the point I rebutted that started this convoluted exchange. 2009 deficit.

[Keven]

Even James Carville admits the first term of the Obama administration is a failure.

From his op-ed at CNN.com:

People often ask me what advice I would give the White House about various things. Today I was mulling over election results from New York and Nevada while thinking about that very question. What should the White House do now? One word came to mind: Panic.

We are far past sending out talking points. Do not attempt to dumb it down. We cannot stand any more explanations. Have you talked to any Democratic senators lately? I have. It's pretty damn clear they are not happy campers.

This is what I would say to President Barack Obama: The time has come to demand a plan of action that requires a complete change from the direction you are headed.

I don't know how else to break this down. Simply put:

Fire somebody. No -- fire a lot of people. This may be news to you but this is not going well. For precedent, see Russian Army 64th division at Stalingrad. There were enough deaths at Stalingrad to make the entire tea party collectively orgasm.

Mr. President, your hinge of fate must turn. Bill Clinton fired many people in 1994 and took a lot of heat for it. Reagan fired most of his campaign staff in 1980. Republicans historically fired their own speaker, Newt Gingrich. Bush fired Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. For God's sake, why are we still looking at the same political and economic advisers that got us into this mess? It's not working.

Furthermore, it's not going to work with the same team, the same strategy and the same excuses. I know economic analysts are smart -- some work 17-hour days. It's time to show them the exit. Wake up -- show us you are doing something.

[...]

[otoc]

Even James Carville admits the first term of the Obama administration is a failure.

From his op-ed at CNN.com:

Here's Clinton's response to Carville...@7:39 in the interview...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/...68123#44568123

[Dutchcedar]

Here's Dutch's response to Carville... @ 0:01 of the interview:

"Booyah!!!"

And the Raider's are up by a couple touchdowns. I know, its early. But still, I say, "Booyah!!!"

[Dutchcedar]

And the Raider's are up by a couple touchdowns. I know, its early. But still, I say, "Booyah!!!"

Well, sheet.

[AMDScooter]

Well, sheet.

Ya.. Brez is the best 3 quarter defensive coordinator in the business...


Know who is toxic for 2012... one guess. The video is one of the best I've seen so far. Every repugie should have one like it.

New Dem strategy in Nevada: No pics with the Prez

The big win for Republican Mark Amodei in Nevada’s 2nd CD, along with a surprise defeat for Democrats on the other side of the country, has the Nevada Democratic Party looking for a way to succeed in what looks to be a very, very tough 2012 election. Their new strategy? According to the Las Vegas Review-Journal and their inside source, it’s simple: “Don’t get your picture taken with President Obama.”

Democrats came to this conclusion after Amodei hammered his opponent, state treasurer Kate Marshall, with a television spot called “Echo”:



If that’s the problem, then maybe Harry Reid shouldn’t offer any photo ops, either.

That doesn’t mean that Nevada Democrats have entirely given up on 2012, however. The newspaper also reports that the party thinks it can win the Senate election to replace John Ensign by duplicating its effort from Reid’s re-election campaign, and even more importantly, to hold the state for Barack Obama in the presidential election. They need to get Democrats fired up in the northern part of their state to accomplish both tasks, and Democrats think they have a winning rally cry to fire up their base, too, according to Democratic strategist Billy Vassiliadis:

“Our bad is better than their bad.”

Now that’s inspiring. “We stink, but they stink worse”? At least it’s more honest than “Hope and Change!” or “Yes, we can!”

[Keven]

New ad from Rick Perry. Wow. Pretty powerful.

[AMDScooter]

New ad from Rick Perry. Wow. Pretty powerful.

Sure is a refreshing change of pace from apologizing to the world.

[kbohip]

New ad from Rick Perry. Wow. Pretty powerful.

Yawn. Same old same old. Another election, and yet another RepubliDem with the usual "gettin' Merica' back to work" crap. Ok Perry, it sounds great. How exactly though are you going to get America back to work, when every American I know has a house full of Chinese slave labor made crap? Don't even tell me America's best days are ahead when we can't even build our own damned bridges here anymore either! Our own bridges, made by the Chinese... in a state with easily 15% unemployment! What about the ENORMOUS amount of debt that this country is now in because of the current moron pres. and the last so called conservative pres.? A Republican president and a Democrat president who both sat by and watched as our trade deficit went through the roof.

Speaking of debt. Wars. We are still stuck in 2...or is it really 3 now? I don't know for sure. Don't even mention Iran, let's just not go there. Wars have gotten too expensive. We can't afford them anymore, unless they are to protect THIS country and IT'S citizens. Playing world police has done what it's always done. That is to say gotten our men killed, pissed off our fairweather friend "allies", helped to bankrupt the average American, and made us the UN's little bitch. Let's bring the troops home, tell the UN to kiss our heavily defended asses, and let those 3rd world shitholes implode like we all know they will when we leave anyway. Before we leave Iraq though, we need to take as much oil as we want to pay for what they and the useless UN forced us into in the first place.

Speaking of oil. You damned well better start pushing for drilling for it on American soil wherever you can. You talk the talk. I want to see an actual plan. The kind that will leave all the liberal's furious and scared at the same time. I want to see you come up with a plan that shuts down all the solar and wind projects and has every energy company trying to find every bit of natural gas they can. Oh, and if that gas happens to be under privately owned land, you better make damned sure the American who owns that land is paid a good amount of money for the gas the energy company is taking. THAT is how you can put American's back to work and THAT is what our current girly man leader would never think to do.

To sum up this glorious rant, let me just say that yes, I do in fact think BO is THE worst president this country has ever had. I knew he would be craptacular though, which is why I didn't vote for him. Just because BO is awful though, it doesn't mean I'm going to cut you any slack. On the contrary, to get my vote, you'll need to prove to me that you're not another Bush. The last thing on Earth this country needs right now is another leader with strings attached firmly to the bankers that put him there.

I'm sorry to come off sounding so jaded, but the fact is I am in fact very jaded indeed. Every 4 years it's the same "I'm so much better than the last guy" campaigns and nothing seems to actually change. Our core problems (trade deficits, failed taxpayer money draining social programs, wars, total lack of interest in border security or doing anything about the illegals that drain our state's resources, government spending) never seem to change whether there's a Dem or a Repub in office.