The 2012 Election Thread

[/\/\adGamer]

^^^ actually I disagree the same was said before the 2010 election

[BlackDragon24]

^^^ actually I disagree the same was said before the 2010 election

Yeah but this is a national election so I would argue its a completely different ballgame. It's one thing to knock off a bunch of phony blue dog democrats in red states. It's another to try and carry the "kill medicare" and "social security is a ponzi scheme" messages thru a general election. Just sayin.

[/\/\adGamer]

well medicare and the great ponzie scheme do indeed need fixed

[BlackDragon24]

well medicare and the great ponzie scheme do indeed need fixed

I don't think anyone disagrees that medicare needs fixing. I guess it comes down to whether or not you want to make it stronger, or make it weaker so it just goes away.

Social Security....a simple fix that can be done by raising the cap and raising the eligibility age. Or if nothing is done we are good until about 2030 and then peeps will still receive 80% of what they receive now. Not ideal but not broken.

[/\/\adGamer]

there is no simple fix to for social security.

[tucker]

I don't think anyone disagrees that medicare needs fixing. I guess it comes down to whether or not you want to make it stronger, or make it weaker so it just goes away

Social Security....a simple fix that can be done by raising the cap and raising the eligibility age. Or if nothing is done we are good until about 2030 and then peeps will still receive 80% of what they receive now. Not ideal but not broken.

I think the place to start fixing Social Security is by eliminating SSI and making it much harder to get SSDI. Try going in a Social Security office and having a good at all of the people that are in their 30s and 40s or younger. SSI amounts to nothing more than welfare. Two years on SSDI and you get instant Medicare as well.

[/\/\adGamer]

social security is broken far too many people receive it than put into it.We either need to fix/reform it now or face a bigger problem when it goes bust. Thats what most of the GOP candidates want to do yet the libs want to play fear games and misinterpret what is really said

[trekrider]

Take the parachute away from all the polititions, bring them down from their lofty positions and throw them into the mix with us lowley folk.
Think it would get fixed then?

[BlackDragon24]

social security is broken far too many people receive it than put into it.We either need to fix/reform it now or face a bigger problem when it goes bust. Thats what most of the GOP candidates want to do yet the libs want to play fear games and misinterpret what is really said

Suggesting that Social Security is going to go bust would be the textbook definition of "playing fear games" and "misinterpreting."

[/\/\adGamer]

^^^ ponzi schemes dont last forever when you dont have enough money to prop them up. Thats not not fear just simple math thats why we need to fix and or reform the system just like the GOP suggests.Keeping things the way they are while making the benefits come later in life and at a higher cost isnt a solution

[Dutchcedar]

Suggesting that Social Security is going to go bust would be the textbook definition of "playing fear games" and "misinterpreting."

I s'pose you could call it that if ya stretch and deny reality.

Conversely, saying Social Security is not going to go bust if it stays as it is and saying it is not a Ponzi scheme are both perfect examples of lying out your ass.

[Enmore]

Social security is actually worse than a Ponzi scheme when you think about it. At least a Ponzi scheme is reliant on people voluntarily handing over their money; Social security depends on mandatory taxation to keep it going.

[/\/\adGamer]

^^^ actually its a form of extortion as the government is obtaining money through its authority. Then to top the cake instead of putting it aside for the depositor to use in its golden years it uses the money for something else and in the end the government is banking on the majority of persons contributing the money to die of old age before it has to make good on the return.

[otoc]

^^^ actually its a form of extortion as the government is obtaining money through its authority. Then to top the cake instead of putting it aside for the depositor to use in its golden years it uses the money for something else and in the end the government is banking on the majority of persons contributing the money to die of old age before it has to make good on the return.

Where do you get these conclusions from? Tax is an extortion? Authority when exerted from the government is what, bad? What's the alternative, no taxes and no authority from government? Sorry for that extreme but your depiction is rather strong. Ponzi schemes not only don't last forever, they end quickly, only benefiting the first round investors to create the illusion. SS has been around for 80 years and still hasn't defaulted.

Tell you what. On the topic of Social Security and Medicare, check these out. Then let's talk about facts.
http://www.ssa.gov/oact/TRSUM/index.html

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/fundFAQ.html#n3

[Dutchcedar]

Ponzi schemes not only don't last forever, they end quickly, only benefiting the first round investors to create the illusion. SS has been around for 80 years and still hasn't defaulted.

Where do you get these conclusions from?

Good question. Because its lasted longer than Bernie Madoff, its not a Ponzi scheme?

Pure horse squeeze.