The 2012 Election Thread

[Invictus]

[kbohip]

If the Republitards run Santorum against Obama...I'll vote for Obama! I would never vote for anyone who just comes right out and says he doesn't give a crap about the constitution. At least lie to me like Gingrich and Romney and say your all for everything you vote against.

[bk94si]

I agree with him. That is the libertarian view of government. The conservative view is that the government does need to regulate SOME things. He is also exactly right we do not have that kind of radical individualism in the USA where people can do whatever they want.

[Invictus]

^^^

There are plenty of countries where the government plays a pivotal role in everyone's day to day lives. Fortunately for those of us who do enjoy personal freedoms. The founders of our country wrote a document that limits what the government can be involved in and our personal lives is an area that is off limits.

Im assuming you also would support abolishing the 4th amendment? Its the pesky amendment that gets in the way of policing everything people do in their own homes.

[bk94si]

No, but I like to see SOME regulations, like driver's licenses, illegal drug control, building codes, speed limits, safe working environments, etc.

[tucker]

But voting for a third-party candidate is basically a vote for Obama. Writing in Ron Paul or voting for whatever the Constitution Party or Libertarian Party candidate is will be tantamount to voting for Obama because you're a regular Republican voter who's not voting for the Republicans.

You still don’t get it…

Every time the Washington establishment and the media get you to vote for the candidates they choose they win and you lose.

Every time they get you to vote for the best of to shitty choices they strengthen their grip on your a$$.

Every time they get you to vote for their candidate it assures four more years of corrupt business as usual politics.

If you can’t see that happening you need to open your eyes.

[tucker]

Damn! I’m already burned out on politics and it’s just starting… futile+++…

[Invictus]

No, but I like to see SOME regulations, like driver's licenses, illegal drug control, building codes, speed limits, safe working environments, etc.

Most of those regulations are encompassed within the proper function of government and no one serious is trying to get rid of any of them, with perhaps the exception of one.

What we are talking about is the invasion of the federal government into our personal lives, our bedrooms and personal family matters.

Your boy santorum is also a big supporter of gun control. I guess we can go ahead and toss out the 2nd amendment along with the 4th.

“The evidence is clear,” said Dudley Brown , executive director of the National Association for Gun Rights, “[Rick Santorum] has a long record of supporting anti-gun legislation and politicians.”

Presidential Candidate Rick Santorum’s lengthy history of backing candidates that would limit or curtail Second Amendment Rights stretches back to 1990’s when he favored the Lautenberg Gun Ban, followed in 1999 by a bill requiring federal background checks at gun shows and in 2005 a bill that would have mandated locks on guns.

The Lautenberg Gun Ban contained a severe penalty for gun owners who spanked their children or grabbed their spouse’s wrist. This domestic violence provision stripped offenders of their Second Amendment rights.

Santorum has supported former Pennsylvania Senator Arlen Specter and campaigned for New Jersey governor, Christine Todd Whitman. During the 2004 election, Sen. Spector (R-Pa.) had a tight race with fellow Republican Pat Toomey, With Spector trailing in the polls, Santorum put his backing behind the gun controlling Spector. Eventually, Spector won the primary over Second Amendment favoring Toomey going on to “push for gun control in his years in the Senate,” Brown explained.

http://www.huntingtonnews.net/18212

[Invictus]

Damn! I’m already burned out on politics and it’s just starting… futile+++…

Im right there with you.

[Cobra_nVidia]

You talk like the president needs to be a rocket scientist or a brain surgeon, I disagree. The only hard part of the job is making sure your staff and appointees do all of the work for you. You could do the job and I could do the job. It’s so easy a damn caveman could do it…

Few people (maybe none) could be a good - or even competent - president.

[tucker]

Few people (maybe none) could be a good - or even competent - president.

That's very true.

Some of things I’ve posted in this thread are tongue in cheek observations.

The thing is we've been doing just awful with our choices for a long time. I think the system has been corrupted to the point where it no longer works for the people like it's supposed to. It’s designed for politicians and not voters.

[Keven]

You still don’t get it…

Every time the Washington establishment and the media get you to vote for the candidates they choose they win and you lose.

Every time they get you to vote for the best of to shitty choices they strengthen their grip on your a$$.

Every time they get you to vote for their candidate it assures four more years of corrupt business as usual politics.

If you can’t see that happening you need to open your eyes.

Wow, you and the Ron Paul fans deserve each other. Let me spell it out the way I see it.

1 - Obama is reelected.
2 - ObamaCare takes effect in 2014.
3 - People become addicted to ObamaCare just like they're addicted to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.
4 - Our federal debt explodes with ObamaCare on the books, and we can't take it away because people are addicted to it.
5 - Once our federal debt hits $20 trillion, roughly half of the annual budget goes to making interest payments. At that point, we have to start cutting entitlements, military spending, everything, to keep up with the interest payments.

Then you have idiots rioting in the streets, like Greece or Madison, Wisconsin, because the government is taking away their meal ticket. The United States of America is basically •••••• at that point. Good time to start learning Mandarin. I don't give a shit about the GOP establishment. As we've seen with Boehner in the House, the Tea Party and their 60 or so votes in the House are already making the GOP establishment bend to their demands. The blue blood country club Republicans like Mitch McConnell are already having to change their platform because of the Tea Party.

Ron Paul will not win in a general election against Obama. He supported Paul Ryan's reforms to Social Security, Medicare and Medcaid and said they actually didn't go far enough. So, how many anti-war liberals are going to vote for Ron Paul when they find out that he wants to take away their Social Security? Obama is going to make this election about class warfare, the rich versus the poor and the Republicans who want your Medicare money. Ron Paul, god bless him, has come out bluntly in favor of massive reforms for these bloated programs, but Obama will use that to play Paul like a fiddle in the general election.

The country is not ready for massive reforms to entitlements, and Paul Ryan's budget earlier this year proved it. We're not ready for a president like Ron Paul who would take a sledgehammer to the entitlement programs. Guys like Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio as president probably would be able to fix the problems with the entitlements as president, but we're not ready for them and their ideas as a country. In the meantime, we need a patchwork president like Romney who will at least stop ObamaCare and make sure we have a country in 2016 and 2020.

[kbohip]

Wow, you and the Ron Paul fans deserve each other. Let me spell it out the way I see it.

1 - Obama is reelected.
2 - ObamaCare takes effect in 2014.
3 - People become addicted to ObamaCare just like they're addicted to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.
4 - Our federal debt explodes with ObamaCare on the books, and we can't take it away because people are addicted to it.
5 - Once our federal debt hits $20 trillion, roughly half of the annual budget goes to making interest payments. At that point, we have to start cutting entitlements, military spending, everything, to keep up with the interest payments.

Then you have idiots rioting in the streets, like Greece or Madison, Wisconsin, because the government is taking away their meal ticket. The United States of America is basically •••••• at that point. Good time to start learning Mandarin. I don't give a shit about the GOP establishment. As we've seen with Boehner in the House, the Tea Party and their 60 or so votes in the House are already making the GOP establishment bend to their demands. The blue blood country club Republicans like Mitch McConnell are already having to change their platform because of the Tea Party.

Ron Paul will not win in a general election against Obama. He supported Paul Ryan's reforms to Social Security, Medicare and Medcaid and said they actually didn't go far enough. So, how many anti-war liberals are going to vote for Ron Paul when they find out that he wants to take away their Social Security? Obama is going to make this election about class warfare, the rich versus the poor and the Republicans who want your Medicare money. Ron Paul, god bless him, has come out bluntly in favor of massive reforms for these bloated programs, but Obama will use that to play Paul like a fiddle in the general election.

The country is not ready for massive reforms to entitlements, and Paul Ryan's budget earlier this year proved it. We're not ready for a president like Ron Paul who would take a sledgehammer to the entitlement programs. Guys like Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio as president probably would be able to fix the problems with the entitlements as president, but we're not ready for them and their ideas as a country. In the meantime, we need a patchwork president like Romney who will at least stop ObamaCare and make sure we have a country in 2016 and 2020.

Lol, you just called tucker a Ron Paul fan? My advice is to run Kevin. Run and hide!

[tucker]

Wow, you and the Ron Paul fans deserve each other. Let me spell it out the way I see it.

1 - Obama is reelected.
2 - ObamaCare takes effect in 2014.
3 - People become addicted to ObamaCare just like they're addicted to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.
4 - Our federal debt explodes with ObamaCare on the books, and we can't take it away because people are addicted to it.
5 - Once our federal debt hits $20 trillion, roughly half of the annual budget goes to making interest payments. At that point, we have to start cutting entitlements, military spending, everything, to keep up with the interest payments.

Then you have idiots rioting in the streets, like Greece or Madison, Wisconsin, because the government is taking away their meal ticket. The United States of America is basically •••••• at that point. Good time to start learning Mandarin. I don't give a shit about the GOP establishment. As we've seen with Boehner in the House, the Tea Party and their 60 or so votes in the House are already making the GOP establishment bend to their demands. The blue blood country club Republicans like Mitch McConnell are already having to change their platform because of the Tea Party.

Ron Paul will not win in a general election against Obama. He supported Paul Ryan's reforms to Social Security, Medicare and Medcaid and said they actually didn't go far enough. So, how many anti-war liberals are going to vote for Ron Paul when they find out that he wants to take away their Social Security? Obama is going to make this election about class warfare, the rich versus the poor and the Republicans who want your Medicare money. Ron Paul, god bless him, has come out bluntly in favor of massive reforms for these bloated programs, but Obama will use that to play Paul like a fiddle in the general election.

The country is not ready for massive reforms to entitlements, and Paul Ryan's budget earlier this year proved it. We're not ready for a president like Ron Paul who would take a sledgehammer to the entitlement programs. Guys like Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio as president probably would be able to fix the problems with the entitlements as president, but we're not ready for them and their ideas as a country. In the meantime, we need a patchwork president like Romney who will at least stop ObamaCare and make sure we have a country in 2016 and 2020.

It’s already too late…

All of the hype surrounding the primaries, the presidential election and all of the problems this country faces is a waste of breath. All of it comes too late to do any good this country has already passed the point of no return….FUBAR…

I’m following the Big Bang theory and the natural course of events.

Collapse
Violence
Bloodshed
Darkness
Enlightenment
and a return to where we started almost 236 years ago.

Foreign invasion will be fended off by a steadfast military with nuclear weapons.

If not that a one world communist dictatorship preceded by massive genocide, starvation, imprisonment and slavery. The usual communist run of events.

Ron who?

[JustinC939]

You still don’t get it…

Every time the Washington establishment and the media get you to vote for the candidates they choose they win and you lose.

Every time they get you to vote for the best of to shitty choices they strengthen their grip on your a$$.

Every time they get you to vote for their candidate it assures four more years of corrupt business as usual politics.

If you can’t see that happening you need to open your eyes.

As if Romney would be any different than Obama.....


If voting made a difference, it would be illegal.