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  1. #241
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    Re: US Domestic Energy / Energy policy

    It's an obama werld. If his agenda contunies we won't need jobs or lectricity as we'll all be waiting for our gubberment handouts while living in mud huts.

    Obama EPA regulations kill 15 power plants, 480 jobs in Georgia

    Georgia Power asked state regulators for permission to shut down 15 power plants yesterday, claiming new regulations from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) make the plants too expensive to run.
    The 15 coal-, oil- and natural gas-fired power plants currently produce 2,061 megawatts (MW) for Georgia energy consumers. Georgia Power plans to close 11 of the plants on the exact day the EPA’s new mercury regulations are set to take effect, April 16, 2015. Georgia Power will seek waivers from the EPA to keep four of the other plants open for a single year, and then shut those down too on April 16, 2016. It is unclear how the Georgia energy sector will make the 2 gigawatts up.
    The EPA claims its new mercury regulation will produce $140 billion in annual benefits, but only $6 million of the benefits come from actual mercury reductions. According to Dr. Anne Smith, Senior Vice President of NERA Economic Consulting’s Global Environment Group, effectively all of the EPA’s estimated benefits come from “coincidental reductions” of fine particulate matter. But fine particulate matter is already regulated by a separate section of the Clean Air Act.
    The plant closures will cause at least 480 fewer power plant jobs and higher electricity rates for all Georgia energy consumers.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    We got ours.. for the rest of you b*tches it's socialism! H/T Progressivestoday




    “We could probably do 20-30% of what we are used to living on for energy.So what’s that mean?
    It means conservation, efficiency, all these other things have to be in play. Otherwise none of this works. Renewables and reducing energy use is critical. So all of this stuff has to happen.

    …Carbon tax, We gotta do a carbon tax. …Sweden has done a carbon tax. It works…

    …Electricity is going to become our number one energy carrier: wind, solar, hydro. So we are going to change from about 25% of our energy coming from electricity, we are going to end up at 69-90%. Eventually we’ll be mostly electric. Because we are going to get off liquid fuels. And hard fuels, coal.

    We must move to an electrified mass transit. And I put this in here but people don’t want to face the fact that we’re probably going to have to abandon the car. The car has been our number one reason we consume so much energy. Suburbia is built around the car. Our highway system is heavily subsidized around the car. It takes a lot of energy to run a car centric system. The sad thing is China is adapting the car. We sold more cars last year in China than were sold in the United States. Something like 18 or 19 million cars. and they think within 10 years they are going to be selling 40 to 50 million cars. And there is about a billion cars in the world. There are people in the world that say, well we’re shooting for 2 billion. We don’t have the energy to run cars. It’s not going to work.

    So we must go to mass transit and re localizing..we got to get people to live where they work. They can’t be living everywhere. And in Vermont people like to live 10, 20, 30 miles from work. That’s going to disappear. The 10 acre lot way out in the middle of nowhere one a dirt road is not going to be working anymore. It’s going to get expensive to live like that. So we have to get closer to where we work.
    And we are going to switch to heating, electric heat pumps. We’re going to electrify our heating systems. And when we go to mass transit we’re going to electrify our trains. It’s much more efficient to run an electric train than it is to run diesel locomotive. About 3 times more efficient.

    And the idea that we are going to be flying around in airplanes is one of the worst consumers of energy and in emitting carbon. It’s really nice, but I tell my kids who are in their 20’s, if you want to travel, travel now. Don’t wait 50 years it will cost you ten times as much.”
    ^^^ Central planning at it's finest. Gotta get you outta your cars and planes to make everyone 100% dependent on gubberment run mass transit.

    Oh.. and taxes.. gotta have a carbon tax.. worked for Sweden... not sure what it did to improve the Swedes quality of life but this guys says it worked so I'm in...

    And we gots to have "localizin'". You know.. stuff everyone into the gubberment run HUD/section 8 projects. You silly f*ckers wanna live in a place of your choosing? Silly pissant peasants.. back to your multi family, high density mud huts so the Goracle and the ruling elite on the left can feel good about themselves jet setting around the world and live like kings and queens while preaching the gospel of sustainable living to the huddled masses.

    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    ^ Swampwater outta squeal with delight.
    Hillary +3

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    …Carbon tax, We gotta do a carbon tax. …Sweden has done a carbon tax. It works…
    Hey, if we're gonna play that game...

    Deport Muslims, we gotta deport Muslims... Norway deported Muslims, crime rate dropped 31%. It works.

    I've never understood the thinking of following small European countries "because it works". Maybe we should go all I with geothermal like Iceland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    Hey, if we're gonna play that game...

    Deport Muslims, we gotta deport Muslims... Norway deported Muslims, crime rate dropped 31%. It works.

    I've never understood the thinking of following small European countries "because it works". Maybe we should go all I with geothermal like Iceland.
    ^^^ From that article... the academic left is displeased

    . . .
    Not everybody in Norway is happy with the increased deportations. One academic slammed the new policies:

    “Norwegian women must take responsibility for the fact that Muslim men find their manner of dress provocative. And since these men believe women are responsible for rape, the women must adapt to the multicultural society around them.” – Dr. Unni Wikan, Professor of Social Anthropology at the University of Oslo

    . . .
    I'm going to start a new religion with tenants that find this kind of multicultural claptrap offensive.. Wonder if this git will cut out his own tongue to accommodate us?
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    ^^^ Its kinda refreshing that wacked out logic isn't an American exclusive.

    Did I just say, "American"? My apologies to the University of New Hampshire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    ^^^ Its kinda refreshing that wacked out logic isn't an American exclusive.

    Did I just say, "American"? My apologies to the University of New Hampshire.
    ^^ Comical the universities are all about being bastions of free speech.. when they agree with what is being said that is. When they disagree.. well American is a "trigger" word now.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    We got ours.. for the rest of you b*tches it's socialism! H/T Progressivestoday






    ^^^ Central planning at it's finest. Gotta get you outta your cars and planes to make everyone 100% dependent on gubberment run mass transit.

    Oh.. and taxes.. gotta have a carbon tax.. worked for Sweden... not sure what it did to improve the Swedes quality of life but this guys says it worked so I'm in...

    And we gots to have "localizin'". You know.. stuff everyone into the gubberment run HUD/section 8 projects. You silly f*ckers wanna live in a place of your choosing? Silly pissant peasants.. back to your multi family, high density mud huts so the Goracle and the ruling elite on the left can feel good about themselves jet setting around the world and live like kings and queens while preaching the gospel of sustainable living to the huddled masses.

    Anyone who ever tries to use Sweden as an example to win any argument immediately gets a big STFU from me. Here is a land of white people that are bending over and letting the muslims take over their country and rape their women by the thousands, because diversity! What a bunch of cucks. So if anyone ever uses the "but Sweden is socialist and look how great things are going there" argument, tell them who cares. The country as we know it is a shell of it's former self and will be "New Pakistan" in 50 years.
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    More from the Nucking Futs Department:

    Those dang dung fires are burning up the planet!!!

    The EPA grant argues the project is necessary because the population in this region, which lies between the Sahara Desert and the vast Sudanian Savanna, is "projected to continue to grow at alarming rates," meaning more carbon emissions from when Africans cook.

    "For this study, we will leverage an existing stove intervention study of 200 households in the region; randomly selected rural households received pairs of improved wood cookstoves," the grant said. "We expand that intervention study to assess stove use behaviors and emissions for an entire year and add urban households and commercial cooking activities."

    ....

    The researchers will then analyze carbon emissions from "actual cooking events."


    "These surveys will be supplemented with direct observations of cooking related behaviors to aide in assessment of time use (e.g., time spent cooking and gathering fuel) as these are not accurately determined through surveys," the grant continued. "Using the next generation of novel, inexpensive air quality monitors, we will continuously monitor concentrations of CO2, CO, NO2, and VOCs in the households throughout the year as well as seasonal subsets of direct emissions measurements from actual cooking events."

    The project began last June, and is expected to run until May 2017. The research has cost taxpayers $1.5 million.

    The EPA grant said that the goal of the project is to "develop a better understanding of the social, physical, and climatological determinants" of carbon emissions in the region.
    Just a guess here, but I s'pect there's someone formerly associated with Solyndra or some other Obama bundler turned entrepreneur who has some nifty and expensive wood stoves for sale at a few thousand borrowed bucks a pop.

    h/t Ace

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    ^ Absolute insanity...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    More from the Nucking Futs Department:
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    Just a guess here, but I s'pect there's someone formerly associated with Solyndra or some other Obama bundler turned entrepreneur who has some nifty and expensive wood stoves for sale at a few thousand borrowed bucks a pop.
    One of the things we have to look forward to if Hillary gets elected ....

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    So the market is taking a beating. US oil production is up despite the best efforts of this inept and suicidal administration and the price of crude is under $30 a barrel. The Saudis and Iran planning on trying to force other producers under with the glut. Where do ya suppose we're going from here?
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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