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  1. #16
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    Re: Obama administration foreign policy... or lack thereof.

    It's too late to do anything in Libya. Obama dithered away any chance of getting rid of Kadaffi/Gadaffi/Quadaffi or whatever his name is. He made speeches while opportunity slipped away. Great leader ... not!
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    Re: Obama administration foreign policy... or lack thereof.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank1946 View Post
    It's too late to do anything in Libya. Obama dithered away any chance of getting rid of Kadaffi/Gadaffi/Quadaffi or whatever his name is. He made speeches while opportunity slipped away. Great leader ... not!
    Well, instead I think we've sent two carriers to Japan. While Japan may yet call for their aid, leave it to Obama not to miss a photo op.
    "We say in our platform that we believe that the right to coin money and issue money is a function of government....

    Those who are opposed to this proposition tell us that the issue of paper money is a function of the bank and that the government ought to go out of the banking business. I stand with Jefferson rather than with them, and tell them, as he did, that the issue of money is a function of the government and that the banks should go out of the governing business."

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    Quote Originally Posted by AeroSim View Post
    Well, instead I think we've sent two carriers to Japan. While Japan may yet call for their aid, leave it to Obama not to miss a photo op.
    Clear the deck!!! Roll out the putting green!!!

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    Re: Obama administration foreign policy... or lack thereof.

    Without the US taking leadership on things, nothing is ever done.

    E.g. :

    Libya: world leaders reject military intervention

    Col Muammar Gaddafi announced an imminent assault on Benghazi after world leaders refused all forms of military intervention in Libya.

    By Henry Samuel, Paris

    France and Britain failed to persuade other powers meeting in Paris to impose a no–fly zone over the country, where pro–Gaddafi forces claimed to have taken the last major town before the rebel stronghold.

    The no–fly proposal was absent from the G8 foreign ministers' closing statement in Paris, following resistance from Russia, Germany and the US. China, a United Nations security council veto–holder, is also opposed.

    Alain Juppé, the French foreign minister said: "If we had used military force last week to neutralise some airstrips and the several dozen planes that they have, perhaps the reversal taking place to the detriment of the opposition wouldn't have happened.

    "We have perhaps missed a chance to restore the balance."

    Col Gaddafi, in an interview, said Germany, Russia and China would now be rewarded with business deals and oil contracts.


    Heck, even the French are up for it.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ervention.html

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    Re: Obama administration foreign policy... or lack thereof.

    On the bright side The Golfer and Chiefs Golf swing has improved considerably !

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    Lessons from Libya for Dictators in Distress
    Rick Richman 03.16.2011

    1. If you want to remain in power, you need to do more than send a man on a camel into crowds. Declare war on your people; hire other people to help out.

    2. Do not worry if the U.S. president says you must “step down” and “leave.” It is only his personal opinion.

    3. To ensure that the president does not focus unduly on your war, schedule it while he is preoccupied with other matters: a Motown concert, a conference on bullying, his golf game, and finalizing his Final Four picks.

    4. Declare that the opposition is not “organic.” The president will not assist a non-organic revolution. If the revolution is organic, do not worry: an organic revolution is by definition one he does not need to assist. Either way, you’re fine.

    5. Recognize that your membership on the UN Human Rights Council will be suspended — the president will send his secretary of state there to ensure that. Do not start a war against your people if you are not prepared for this.

    6. Do not worry about a “no-fly zone” or some other U.S. military response. The president will consider it only if the world speaks with one voice. The world includes Russia, China, and Turkey.

    7. Remember when the president adopted his Afghanistan policy after an extensive “review;” selected his own general to implement it; got the general’s recommendations; and then held endless meetings before finally reluctantly approving them? That was about a war he was already in. He will need many more meetings than that before he considers any new action against you.

    8. You may eventually be subject to sanctions, so check to see if they’ve worked yet with Cuba, North Korea, or Iran.

    9. Consider restarting your nuclear program, since the conditions that caused you to suspend it are gone. At most, the president will form a committee of several nations to talk to you; he will consider more sanctions if the world speaks as one. You need not worry about his “deadlines.”

    10. There is basically only one thing you do need to worry about: do not, under any circumstances, approve any future Jewish housing in Jerusalem. The president will go ballistic if you do.

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    Re: Obama administration foreign policy... or lack thereof.

    Still, I'm sure the 6th fleet is enjoying the R&R in Italy.

    The 5th Fleet in war torn Bahrain, not so much.

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    Of 447,731 illegal aliens apprehended by the U.S. Border Patrol during fiscal year 2010 (which ended last September), only 73,263 (16.4 percent) were prosecuted, according to the submitted data. That means that 374,468 illegal aliens that were taken into custody (83.6 percent) were never prosecuted.
    Its as if they've adopted the catch and release style we use when fishing.

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/eigh...ns-apprehended

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    Did I say Q-Daffy has to go? Well I meant he can stay... wait.. what day of the week is it again??

    Obama Yesterday: Gaddafi Must Go… Obama Today: Gaddafi Can Stay (Video)

    On Monday Barack Obama told reporters in Chile that Gaddafi needs to go.

    But, that was yesterday.
    Today Barack Obama told reporters that Gaddafi can stay.
    Politico 44 reported:

    President Obama indicated on Tuesday that Muammar Qadhafi may still have an opportunity to “change his approach” and put in place “significant reforms” in the Libyan government.

    Asked by NBC’s Savannah Guthrie what the U.S. commitment is in Libya if Qadhafi remains in power but continues to pose a threat to his people, Obama appeared to leave the door open for political reforms.

    “You are absolutely right that as long as Qadhafi remains in power, and unless he changes his approach and there are significant reforms in the Libyan government that allow the Libyan people to express themselves, there are still going be potential threats against Libyan people—unless he is going to step down,” Obama said.

    His quick shift back to what he had earlier stated—that Qadhafi must step down—is more in line with the conclusion that he and his administration officials had come to weeks ago. But a return to the call for “political reforms” is reminiscent of the White House position on Egypt during its upheaval.
    It’s settled then. Gaddafi can stay… Until tomorrow’s press conference.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Re: Obama administration foreign policy... or lack thereof.

    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    Did I say Q-Daffy has to go? Well I meant he can stay... wait.. what day of the week is it again??

    Obama Yesterday: Gaddafi Must Go… Obama Today: Gaddafi Can Stay (Video)



    Does Obama realize that by saying "Gaddafi must go" and Gaddafi survives this - he'll be stronger than ever politically, having bucked the US President? (IE: Fidel Castro)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keven View Post
    Does Obama realize that by saying "Gaddafi must go" and Gaddafi survives this - he'll be stronger than ever politically, having bucked the US President? (IE: Fidel Castro)


    I'm sorry... what was the question again??
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    The Libya coalition is falling apart now doesn't look good for the Golfer-in-Chief!

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    Re: Obama administration foreign policy... or lack thereof.

    Qadhafi had a press release today but it only contained a music video.

    Not a GoodWhite.

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    Re: Obama administration foreign policy... or lack thereof.

    Quote Originally Posted by /\/\adGamer View Post
    The Libya coalition is falling apart now doesn't look good for the Golfer-in-Chief!
    Whocouldaseenthatcomin' eh?? No entrance strategy... no coherent plan... no coherent goals... no exit strategy.

    ^^^
    Lemme qualify that last one "exit strategy". For those of us who are not stuck on stupid libberals, we know that an exit strategy is what you do after you've actually won the war. Not what you do while you are fighting it as much can change. I tossed it in there because liberals think it's a good idea to set timetables for an exit regardless of where you are at in a war and stick to it damn the consequences. They (including P-Turtle, Plugs and Cankles) demanded one of the GW administration. I'll hold them to their own stupid arsed "standards".

    With the P-Turtle administrations daily if not hourly wafflin'... sh*t... I'd be running for the exit too. GW had a much larger coalition that he held together for Iraq (the unpopular war) until we had won it. P-Turtle has just a few and he cannot even keep that small number onboard for a full month. Yet he's a "genius" and GW was continually portrayed as an idiot.

    The "Remarkable" Coalition: Germany Withdraws Troops From NATO; Tensions Rise Over Ambiguous, Contradictory Goals of Mission

    How Andrea Mitchell did swoon over the "remarkable" coalition Obama had assembled! Apparently this stupid bint doesn't read the newspapers, or else she'd have known that 1, Britain and France pushed for this, while America refused to commit to either intervention or non-intervention, and 2, Germany was against it. (So was Russia, but that's more expected.)

    When Andrea Mitchell praises Obama for assembling such a grand coalition, then, she's speaking entirely of France, as France supported this action but notoriously undermined Bush in Iraq.

    And, again, she's getting the Hero and Sidekick in this story reversed -- it was the French who used a combination of diplomacy and shame to change Obama's mind, not the other way around. Of course, it will be the US that does the bulk of the heavy lifting, because of our "unique capabilities" (no thanks on that to Obama and the Peace Fags), but it was France who either convinced us or snookered us to paint the Libyan fence.

    Saying "Obama persuaded France to join our coalition" is like saying "Chuck Lorre persuaded Charlie Sheen to be winning." You can't convince someone to do what they're already climbing the walls to do.

    You know who wasn't super-forward-leaning on Libya? Like, who actually had to be persuaded? Germany. And they remain unpersuaded.

    If Obama's such a stellar diplomat and so good at charming and Spocking allies into aiding us, how come Germany's pulling its ships out of the Mediterranean in order to avoid having them used in Libya as part of a NATO action?

    Once again, Obama is getting credit for, basically, the sun coming up in the morning. For stuff he actually didn't do. And when it comes to stuff he could do but fails to do -- well, the media is silent.

    Let's just give him praise for "getting France on board" and ignore the part about France being a main driver of interventionist policy from the second week of the rebellion.

    And let's also ignore the part about another ally withdrawing its ships from NATO control.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    The French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, is up for election next year and he's pretty unpopular at the moment.

    Yeah, you guessed the rest.

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