The Official Ron Paul Thread

[AMDScooter]

I think Korea was a success though. We didn't win the war, but South Korea has become a successful country. In fact, Grenada, Panama, the first Iraq war and Kosovo were all pretty much successes for the US military. I think our problem is nation building and staying too long.

I think the mistake many RP supporters make is that they think we're thrilled with the current state of affairs on the international front.. we're not. But we also recognize an isolationist policy when we see one and know it's a far worse option than what we currently have.

[kbohip]

well you know, that isolationism was in vogue just prior to WW1 and WW2.

It worked out as good as what the alternatives probably would have. Lol, had we had the foreign policy then that we do now, we probably would've been arming Hitler to fight the Russians before realizing it was a huge mistake. As I've said many times though, it doesn't matter if Paul wins, Obama, or Romney. The end result is the US can no longer afford to play world cop, so our foreign policy will eventually look a lot like what Paul envisions it should be.

[kbohip]

I think Korea was a success though. We didn't win the war, but South Korea has become a successful country. In fact, Grenada, Panama, the first Iraq war and Kosovo were all pretty much successes for the US military. I think our problem is nation building and staying too long.

Korea could be considered a success, but look at the incredible cost to Americans it was, and continues to be. Oh and how do the Koreans thank us for keeping them all from being communists? It's definitely not been by fair trade.


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[Invictus]

Smart.. just not smart enough eh? I'm not seeing a whole lot of deviation from what I said to begin with.

I shouldn't have to deviate, sooner or later you will have to come to the conclusion that money cant just be "printed" and we cant afford to police the world. Though this will happen sooner rather then later.

Intelligence isnt the factor, its perspective.

Im not willing to trade my country's future for someone else's.

[AMDScooter]

I shouldn't have to deviate, sooner or later you will have to come to the conclusion that money cant just be "printed" and we cant afford to police the world. Though this will happen sooner rather then later.

Intelligence isnt the factor, its perspective.

Im not willing to trade my country's future for someone else's.

That's exactly what I'm saying.. your second response does not differ at all from your first.

If you read my posts here at all you'd already know my position on printing money. However.. that is not tied at the hip with our foreign policy. It has nothing to do with being "police to the world" and everything to do with protecting our interests. Isolationism is far more dangerous and expensive in the long run than our current policy as bad as it is. From my perspective pulling all our forces back conus is lunacy.

[Invictus]

That's exactly what I'm saying.. your second response does not differ at all from your first.

If you read my posts here at all you'd already know my position on printing money. However.. that is not tied at the hip with our foreign policy. It has nothing to do with being "police to the world" and everything to do with protecting our interests. Isolationism is far more dangerous and expensive in the long run than our current policy as bad as it is. From my perspective pulling all our forces back conus is lunacy.

Its hard to address the generalization of "protect our interests" .Why dont you explain what these "interests" are, how our currently foreign policy addresses them and how Ron Paul's foreign policy would endanger them.

Also why would worrying about our borders and not the border between Israel and Palestine be lunacy?

I see no problem with bringing home a majority of our troops overseas and putting them on our borders.

[AMDScooter]

Its hard to address the generalization of "protect our interests" .Why dont you explain what these "interests" are, how our currently foreign policy addresses them and how Ron Paul's foreign policy would endanger them.

Why would I need to explain our interests to someone who thinks we're "police to the world"? I did not have any issues accepting your generalization. I'd say you either already have some idea what I'm talking about or have no clue what you are saying.

Also why would worrying about our borders and not the border between Israel and Palestine be lunacy?

Because they are 2 separate issues and we should be concerned with both.

I see no problem with bringing home a majority of our troops overseas and putting them on our borders.

Most isolationists don't. I simply disagree with isolationism in general as it never works.

[tucker]

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I suppose the fact that he also recieved double the contributions in 2007 is incorrect as well .I guess your right, people love being sent into hostile territory away from their families. Getting shot is fun...right?

The contributions mean nothing. The fact a few people contribute in no way represents the opinion of the majority. Shockingly there are democrats and liberals in the armed forces as well as some that do not believe in what they are doing. That s suits me just fine but do not construe the opinions of a few as representing the opinion of the majority, it doesn’t.

And he indeed said what he said and it was correct. You can misinterpret it all you want .It doesnt change the fact that most people have no clue about our history of involvement in the region.

I won’t ask for proof I’ll take what you say as an opinion. Yeppers, I’ve lived 63 years under a rock that’s why I’m soooo clueless. I think you mistake me for an Obamite…

I think you should pull yourself away from Fox News if you honestly believe that everyone finds Ron Pauls foreign policy to be crazy. Its as if suddenly requiring congress to declare war and spending money on our military instead of contractors and nation building is wacky.

I don’t know what’s worse having Fox News tell me what to think or having Ron Paul tell me what to think.

Actually I think for myself. That’s a trait that seems to be going under the educational and main stream media bus lately.

I guess your right, people love being sent into hostile territory away from their families. Getting shot is fun...right?

Having been sent to hostile territory, leaving family behind and being shot at isn’t my idea of fun and I seriously doubt anybody thinks its fun. That’s way only 1% of the population does it. Maybe sometime in the next 1000 years humans will become nonviolent. Until then expect wars and all of the horror that goes with war. Isolation won’t change that, the golden rule won’t change that and appeasement and begging for mercy won’t change it either.

Nothing is going to change it.

The best defense is an overwhelming offense…


I can understand needed cuts and I can understand targeted cuts.

The serial killer dismemberment Obama is now pushing I don’t understand.

[kbohip]

Most isolationists don't. I simply disagree with isolationism in general as it never works.

And our current policy does work? The only government I can recall that was as similarly run as ours is now is that of ancient Rome. Right down to having their armies all over the world for decades to protect their interests. Things worked out great for them for quite a while too before it all came crumbling down.

[AMDScooter]

And our current policy does work? The only government I can recall that was as similarly run as ours is now is that of ancient Rome. Right down to having their armies all over the world for decades to protect their interests. Things worked out great for them for quite a while too before it all came crumbling down.

So all we have to do is build a Maginot line on our border and sign non-aggression pacts with all our enemies so we can live worry free eh?

[kbohip]

So all we have to do is build a Maginot line on our border and sign non-aggression pacts with all our enemies so we can live worry free eh?

Hmm, the Canadians haven't even had to do that and they seem to be doing just fine. Better than us actually when it comes to the economy. It's almost as if they don't squander their people and money on useless foreign wars. Of course there's not just Canada that's done more than just fine without having to have an enormous defense budget to "protect their interests."

[Invictus]

Why would I need to explain our interests to someone who thinks we're "police to the world"? I did not have any issues accepting your generalization. I'd say you either already have some idea what I'm talking about or have no clue what you are saying.

If we are not policing the world what was Libya?

Because they are 2 separate issues and we should be concerned with both.

Once again, its nice to want both. But explain to me where the money is going to come from to pay for both.

Most isolationists don't. I simply disagree with isolationism in general as it never works.

What doesn't work is going broke to pay for the protection of another nation at the risk of losing your own.
Out of all the pro empire arguments I've heard I have yet to hear how someone plans to pay for all of this. Conservatives seem to want low taxes and an empire at the same time. Explain to me how this is possible.
Its nice to live in a land where things don't cost money, but this is the real world.

[Invictus]

The contributions mean nothing. The fact a few people contribute in no way represents the opinion of the majority. Shockingly there are democrats and liberals in the armed forces as well as some that do not believe in what they are doing. That s suits me just fine but do not construe the opinions of a few as representing the opinion of the majority, it doesn’t.

If there is such a large support for other candidates as you say, it sure isnt showing up financially.

I do not need to construe, i live in a military based area. A large portion of our economy here outside of tourism is based on the military. I do not need to be told how these people feel as they are my friends and relatives.

I don’t know what’s worse having Fox News tell me what to think or having Ron Paul tell me what to think.

How about going on what the constitution says. That would be good start.

Actually I think for myself. That’s a trait that seems to be going under the educational and main stream media bus lately.

Having been sent to hostile territory, leaving family behind and being shot at isn’t my idea of fun and I seriously doubt anybody thinks its fun. That’s way only 1% of the population does it. Maybe sometime in the next 1000 years humans will become nonviolent. Until then expect wars and all of the horror that goes with war. Isolation won’t change that, the golden rule won’t change that and appeasement and begging for mercy won’t change it either.

Nothing is going to change it.

The best defense is an overwhelming offense…


I can understand needed cuts and I can understand targeted cuts.

The serial killer dismemberment Obama is now pushing I don’t understand.

Actually the reason only 1% of the population does it is because of the strict recruitment policies the military now enforces. I've had friends be denied for simple marijuana possession or driving with a suspended licence. If i thought the cause just, i would go fight myself. But i do not. To be honest if we are going to have a policy of endless wars. I would like to see mandatory service required. We should all take part in these wars if we feel it is that necessary.

And last time i checked, when Ron Paul was called to service, he went. He did not beg for mercy or find an excuse. It seems logical that a man that has seen the horrors of war would want to prevent it if at all possible. Yet dont forget he authorized action against bin laden following 9/11 and was critical of the government for not going after the people responsible immediately.

A strong military is a must, a empire is not.

[AMDScooter]

I knew I should have just stayed away from this thread. Have fun convincing the rest of the US that isolationism is a winning strategy and that RP's foreign policy is not lunacy guys. No sale here, but good luck anyway.

[Invictus]

^^^
Its the policy of our founding fathers. It seems a lot of people have fundamental disagreements with the principles upon which this country was founded.

I could add dozens of quotes, but google can do the same thing