2012 gas prices, oh boy..

[baghdad bob]

your future prices are looking good.

http://www.reporterherald.com/news/l...ty/ci_20063913

Because of that increased pumping of oil and seasonal variations in the use of pipeline capacity to move crude oil to refineries around the country, the area is experiencing a glut, Laskoski said.

The GasBuddy.com website Tuesday showed Wyoming with the nation's cheapest average price of regular gas, at $3.09 per gallon. Colorado was No. 2 at $3.127. Utah and Montana also are seeing prices below $3.30 per gallon.

Laskoski said it's hard to predict how long the Rocky Mountain West's enviable position will last - "at least for the next several months," he said.

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[jimzinsocal]

Listen to the 2 Bears

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/bears-...rimary-edition

[kbohip]

Wow. Just noticed some idiot gas station in LA is trying to charge $6.19/gallon. Lol, that would mean a $93.00 fill up for my car. Most of the stations in that area seem to be in the mid $4's range. I don't know what it is with some stations, but every city seems to have one.

[Enmore]

How much is diesel a gallon?

Over here it's even more expensive that gas/petrol.

[Dutchcedar]

^^^ Its more expensive than gasoline here.

I know, it doesn't make sense.

Kinda like charging more for water than beer.

[kbohip]

How much is diesel a gallon?

Over here it's even more expensive that gas/petrol.

Same here, diesel is almost always more expensive than gasoline. Right now in my town it's around $3.75/gallon at most stations. This is a big reason why you rarely see diesel powered cars over here. Any benefit in fuel mileage is half eaten up by the substantially increased price of diesel fuel itself.

[jimzinsocal]

^^+ it has a higher FET. Gasoline is 18.4% and 24.6 or something for diesel.

On the tax "subsidy" issue for fossil duels..a fair look so we understand

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/...ax_breaks.html

[Keven]

My dad lives in a subdivison that's about an hour from Milwaukee and way out in the boonies of farm country. His local gas station sells "off-road" diesel which is for the farmers and their tractors. It doesn't have any federal or state diesel excise taxes in it and is way cheaper. But, supposedly it has a red dye added to it so that if you put it in a car or truck, the tailpipe will be red and the cops can bust you for, I dunno, tax fraud.

I like diesel cars. I really like the turbo diesel Audis and VWs. And now, BMW has the turbo diesel M series of sports sedans. I would have no trouble driving a diesel machine. Wish it didn't have the heavier taxes though.

[Dutchcedar]

^^+ it has a higher FET. Gasoline is 18.4% and 24.6 or something for diesel.

On the tax "subsidy" issue for fossil duels..a fair look so we understand

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/...ax_breaks.html

Its frustrating that certain numbers get bandied about as fact when they're anything but. As far as oil goes, the $4 billion in subsidies is one, so is the 2% of world reserves schtick.

[Dutchcedar]

My dad lives in a subdivison that's about an hour from Milwaukee and way out in the boonies of farm country. His local gas station sells "off-road" diesel which is for the farmers and their tractors. It doesn't have any federal or state diesel excise taxes in it and is way cheaper. But, supposedly it has a red dye added to it so that if you put it in a car or truck, the tailpipe will be red and the cops can bust you for, I dunno, tax fraud.

I like diesel cars. I really like the turbo diesel Audis and VWs. And now, BMW has the turbo diesel M series of sports sedans. I would have no trouble driving a diesel machine. Wish it didn't have the heavier taxes though.

There's something else afoot that's gonna really screw with diesels. I'm not clear on the specifics but it has to do with new requirements for big trucks. My brother runs a Peterbilt and claims the new laws will bust a lot of people, especially owner/operators, and put a lot of perfectly good trucks on the side of the road.

I dunno, but it sounds like once again, the self-made types are in for a screwin'.

[myv65]

My dad lives in a subdivison that's about an hour from Milwaukee and way out in the boonies of farm country. His local gas station sells "off-road" diesel which is for the farmers and their tractors. It doesn't have any federal or state diesel excise taxes in it and is way cheaper. But, supposedly it has a red dye added to it so that if you put it in a car or truck, the tailpipe will be red and the cops can bust you for, I dunno, tax fraud.

The fuel looks "red", but that doesn't affect the tail pipe. I'd also dispute the "it's way cheaper" bit. Oh yeah, it's cheaper, but it isn't like you're getting it for half price or anything. I've got one of those 300 gallon overhead barrels and buy the stuff for my 'ol tractor. I only go through ~100 gallons a year, so I haven't purchased for a while. Last time I bought, I paid $2.61 a gallon and the road stuff at the station was about $2.95 at the time. Now granted, I don't get as good a price as a station or the big farmer buying tens of thousands of gallons a year. . .

And yes, I'm really wishing I would have filled up the tank last summer. I'm running low and not looking forward to the bill.

[Keven]

The fuel looks "red", but that doesn't affect the tail pipe. I'd also dispute the "it's way cheaper" bit. Oh yeah, it's cheaper, but it isn't like you're getting it for half price or anything. I've got one of those 300 gallon overhead barrels and buy the stuff for my 'ol tractor. I only go through ~100 gallons a year, so I haven't purchased for a while. Last time I bought, I paid $2.61 a gallon and the road stuff at the station was about $2.95 at the time. Now granted, I don't get as good a price as a station or the big farmer buying tens of thousands of gallons a year. . .

And yes, I'm really wishing I would have filled up the tank last summer. I'm running low and not looking forward to the bill.

Well, I guess that would make off-road diesel about the same as regular gasoline then because diesel seems to be .30 more expensive than regular gas. Heck, I'd take that. BMW's new turbo diesel M5 gets 371 hp and 37 mpg. Sounds good to me.

[Nate]

There's something else afoot that's gonna really screw with diesels. I'm not clear on the specifics but it has to do with new requirements for big trucks. My brother runs a Peterbilt and claims the new laws will bust a lot of people, especially owner/operators, and put a lot of perfectly good trucks on the side of the road.

I dunno, but it sounds like once again, the self-made types are in for a screwin'.

I remember reading about that somewhere...it was along the lines of that the big trucking companies are pushing it through, to put all the mom & pop trucks out of business.

In the name of being green.

[AMDScooter]

There's something else afoot that's gonna really screw with diesels. I'm not clear on the specifics but it has to do with new requirements for big trucks. My brother runs a Peterbilt and claims the new laws will bust a lot of people, especially owner/operators, and put a lot of perfectly good trucks on the side of the road.

I dunno, but it sounds like once again, the self-made types are in for a screwin'.

It's true. The new CARB standards are killing truckers and rendering perfectly good trucks useless.

[trekrider]

I work for a nationwide trucking company based in Minnesota. We run all open sided trailers (no vans/refers) in 49 states and all Canadian provinces. Our fleet is made up of 650+ Owner/Operators. These are hard working people that only want to make a living for themselves and their family's.

What the CARB policy means is that if you operate a truck with an engine older then a certain age, you must retro fit diesel particulate filters on them.
(However, past a certain age, you CAN NOT operate within the state of California. PERIOD!)



Deadline for California Truck Reporting

Fleets have until March 30, 2012 to report their trucks to the California Air Resources Board (CARB) in order to pursue alternative compliance options under the state's Truck and Bus Regulation. Under the regulation, the following Class 7 and 8 trucks will not be able to legally operate in California unless retrofitted with diesel particulate filters (DPFs) or replaced by January 1 of the year shown.
• 2012: Trucks with 1996 - 1999 engines
• 2013: Trucks with 2000 - 2004 engines
• 2014: Trucks with 2005 - 2006 engines
• 2015: Trucks with pre-1994 engines
• 2016: Trucks with 1994 - 1995 engines
Fleets with more than three trucks that elect to report are eligible to comply with a phase-in schedule that requires 30 percent of the reported trucks be equipped with DPFs annually. Fleets with three or fewer trucks with 1996 - 2004 engines can extend compliance to 2014 by reporting. Fleets that will not operate these trucks in California do not need to report.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onrdies...ortinginfo.htm