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    HBO's The Newsroom

    This is a weird show. Why is Sam Waterston acting drunk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keven View Post
    This is a weird show. Why is Sam Waterston acting drunk?
    IIRC, his character had a tendency to take a drink or five.

    BTW, I highly recommend not watching that show. I loved it, but me thinks that if you are a big supporter of the tea party movement, you'll walk away feeling like you wasted 10 hours of your life.

    If you are able to separate yourself from your politics, then you'll enjoy it. The writing is phenomenal and the acting gets better every episode. The Bin Laden episode was especially cool.

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    Okay, here's what I think. I've watched the first three episodes on HBO On Demand.

    I think Aaron Sorkin is losing his touch.

    I loved The West Wing, also penned by Sorkin, which was based on a fictional Democratic presidency. Despite an obvious liberal bias, I think they portrayed Republicans fairly and accurately and the show was pretty good.

    But, Sorkin is making a few big mistakes with this show.

    First, basing it in reality is a mistake. He's taking creative liberties with real life people and events that I think are poor misrepresentations of the real thing.

    The dumb spokesperson for Halliburton?

    The dumb Republican Tea Party people pretending to speak for Rand Paul or Jan Brewer?

    The moderate Republican who lost a primary because he wouldn't say Obama was a socialist?

    The whole episode with the Koch brothers?

    It's dangerous for Sorkin's characters to pretend to represent these real life people and interests. Because, I think people will see that, and think they're real.

    Secondly, (and Jake Trapper agrees with me on this) the show's idea of accurate journalism reporting includes only attacking Republicans. And boy oh boy, is ripping down Republicans a big story. Like tracking the myth about Obama's $200 million/day India trip. The show makes it out to be a big huge Watergate-esque conspiracy theory. Yeah, it was incorrect and it was repeated by Limbaugh and Drudge and Brietbart, but in the grand scheme of things, it was a stupid incorrect fact, so who cares where it came from?

    I guess, my point is, Republicans are the only ones who lie, and when they do, it's the biggest story of the century ever. Oh shit - our top story of the hour, some dumb Tea Party racist said something stupid. Gimme a Pullitzer! This is hard breaking journalism, folks.

    Jake Trapper (who is ABC's senior WH correspondent if you didn't recognize the name) said it best. In a world with Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, a budget crisis and a debt crisis, the biggest issues facing The Newsroom are wrong things that Tea Party folks and Rush Limbaugh say.

    The Jane Fonda character (brilliant acting, btw, she's obviously trying to play a female version of Ted Turner, who happens to be her ex-husband) said it best in one episode, "When did we become MSNBC's little brother?"

    But, the show is well produced, well acted, and has good dialog, so, I'll keep watching.

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    Re: HBO's The Newsroom

    Quote Originally Posted by Keven View Post
    Okay, here's what I think. I've watched the first three episodes on HBO On Demand.

    I think Aaron Sorkin is losing his touch.

    I loved The West Wing, also penned by Sorkin, which was based on a fictional Democratic presidency. Despite an obvious liberal bias, I think they portrayed Republicans fairly and accurately and the show was pretty good.

    But, Sorkin is making a few big mistakes with this show.

    First, basing it in reality is a mistake. He's taking creative liberties with real life people and events that I think are poor misrepresentations of the real thing.

    The dumb spokesperson for Halliburton?

    The dumb Republican Tea Party people pretending to speak for Rand Paul or Jan Brewer?

    The moderate Republican who lost a primary because he wouldn't say Obama was a socialist?

    The whole episode with the Koch brothers?

    It's dangerous for Sorkin's characters to pretend to represent these real life people and interests. Because, I think people will see that, and think they're real.

    Secondly, (and Jake Trapper agrees with me on this) the show's idea of accurate journalism reporting includes only attacking Republicans. And boy oh boy, is ripping down Republicans a big story. Like tracking the myth about Obama's $200 million/day India trip. The show makes it out to be a big huge Watergate-esque conspiracy theory. Yeah, it was incorrect and it was repeated by Limbaugh and Drudge and Brietbart, but in the grand scheme of things, it was a stupid incorrect fact, so who cares where it came from?

    I guess, my point is, Republicans are the only ones who lie, and when they do, it's the biggest story of the century ever. Oh shit - our top story of the hour, some dumb Tea Party racist said something stupid. Gimme a Pullitzer! This is hard breaking journalism, folks.

    Jake Trapper (who is ABC's senior WH correspondent if you didn't recognize the name) said it best. In a world with Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, a budget crisis and a debt crisis, the biggest issues facing The Newsroom are wrong things that Tea Party folks and Rush Limbaugh say.

    The Jane Fonda character (brilliant acting, btw, she's obviously trying to play a female version of Ted Turner, who happens to be her ex-husband) said it best in one episode, "When did we become MSNBC's little brother?"

    But, the show is well produced, well acted, and has good dialog, so, I'll keep watching.
    FWIW, I thought the second half of the season was much better than the first half.....

    The Bin Laden episode was REALLY good.

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    Re: HBO's The Newsroom

    Quote Originally Posted by Keven View Post
    Jake Trapper (who is ABC's senior WH correspondent if you didn't recognize the name) said it best. In a world with Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, a budget crisis and a debt crisis, the biggest issues facing The Newsroom are wrong things that Tea Party folks and Rush Limbaugh say.
    If this sums it up, it sounds like an honest documentary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    If this sums it up, it sounds like an honest documentary.
    Well they certainly tackle the debt crisis on the show.

    Not in any way you guys are going to enjoy it

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDragon24 View Post
    Well they certainly tackle the debt crisis on the show.

    Not in any way you guys are going to enjoy it
    Well, I saw a little bit of that. Hottie Olivia Munn tried to explain to a Tea Party congressman that the debt ceiling really was just an indicator of the US paying back the money we already borrowed, not an indicator of more borrowing.

    Of course, since the Tea Party congressman was a Cro-Magnon, he didn't understand that.

    Again, that's what I take offense too. There certainly are some dumb Tea Party types out there (Obama is a Muslim, whatever, Obama took all our freedoms), but some Republicans (Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, etc.) can speak really eloquently on exact details on fiscal/monetary issues. Portraying the entire Republican perspective as "grunt grunt, no more borrowing, Obama is muslim socialist from kenya grunt grunt" is disingenuous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keven View Post
    Well, I saw a little bit of that. Hottie Olivia Munn tried to explain to a Tea Party congressman that the debt ceiling really was just an indicator of the US paying back the money we already borrowed, not an indicator of more borrowing.

    Of course, since the Tea Party congressman was a Cro-Magnon, he didn't understand that.

    Again, that's what I take offense too. There certainly are some dumb Tea Party types out there (Obama is a Muslim, whatever, Obama took all our freedoms), but some Republicans (Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, etc.) can speak really eloquently on exact details on fiscal/monetary issues. Portraying the entire Republican perspective as "grunt grunt, no more borrowing, Obama is muslim socialist from kenya grunt grunt" is disingenuous.
    Hottie Olivia Munn (I like that....we'll call her that exclusively from now on) gets to talk a whole lot more about it. It's also interesting how they handle the Weiner scandal and the Casey Anthony trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDragon24 View Post
    Hottie Olivia Munn (I like that....we'll call her that exclusively from now on) gets to talk a whole lot more about it. It's also interesting how they handle the Weiner scandal and the Casey Anthony trial.
    I just watched the Gabrielle Giffords episode. I like how they had a contrived reason for them all to be there on a Saturday so they could portray it breaking live.

    Like I said, Sorkin is losing his touch.

    But, despite my philosophical problems with the show, it's pretty well made, so I'll keep watching.

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    Okay, this show is starting to wear on me.

    What's with Sorkin's obsession with the Koch brothers? Koch brothers. Koch brothers. Koch brothers. Koch brothers. Koch brothers. This show is like an echo chamber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keven View Post
    Okay, this show is starting to wear on me.

    What's with Sorkin's obsession with the Koch brothers? Koch brothers. Koch brothers. Koch brothers. Koch brothers. Koch brothers. This show is like an echo chamber.
    Are you watching the MSNBC episode or the Kos kids episode?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    Are you watching the MSNBC episode or the Kos kids episode?
    Seriously, Dutch. In the first few episodes, the newsanchor and executive producer talk about how crappy cable news has become, and how they're going to present the truth. But, in the episode where they talk about the Scott Walker WI budget reforms (a subject I know well, obviously) they portray it totally in a MSNBC/one-sided way.

    No discussion about Wisconsin's state budget or some of the stechy things local unions were doing via collective bargaining.

    Nope. It's all a Koch brothers-funded scheme to destroy unions. Also, Scott Walker threatened to call the National Guard to shoot the teachers.* The Newsroom figured it out, and they're so brave and groundbreaking. Hey guys, they figured out, the Koch brothers were behind it. Never been reported before anywhere on cable news.

    It's a slow news day at work and I'm trying to ram through all these episodes before HBO drops them from HBO On Demand.

    It's a shame that the Wisconsin budget stuff ruined that episode for me, because it also had a story line about a reporter kidnapped in Egypt that was really good.

    * - also not true

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    ^^^ Don't take this wrong, but I have absolutely no interest in a Hollywood version of recent history. Not this one or any other one. I'd rather watch reruns of HeeHaw.

    I can tell from your posts that this is just another liberal version of reality to peddle to the non news watchers before November.

    I'm just in here snipin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keven View Post
    Seriously, Dutch. In the first few episodes, the newsanchor and executive producer talk about how crappy cable news has become, and how they're going to present the truth. But, in the episode where they talk about the Scott Walker WI budget reforms (a subject I know well, obviously) they portray it totally in a MSNBC/one-sided way.

    No discussion about Wisconsin's state budget or some of the stechy things local unions were doing via collective bargaining.

    Nope. It's all a Koch brothers-funded scheme to destroy unions. Also, Scott Walker threatened to call the National Guard to shoot the teachers.* The Newsroom figured it out, and they're so brave and groundbreaking. Hey guys, they figured out, the Koch brothers were behind it. Never been reported before anywhere on cable news.

    It's a slow news day at work and I'm trying to ram through all these episodes before HBO drops them from HBO On Demand.

    It's a shame that the Wisconsin budget stuff ruined that episode for me, because it also had a story line about a reporter kidnapped in Egypt that was really good.

    * - also not true
    Allow me to file a prediction:

    You'll love episodes 6-9 and hate episode 10...well most of episode 10.

    Please confirm when finished

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    Okay, prediction noted.

    The West Wing was good, but weird, because it took place in an alternate universe where 9/11 didn't happen. So, it became more and more detached from reality as we got involved in Iraq and Afghanistan and the show was almost unwatchable for me in the end because it didn't resemble reality by 2006-2007.

    So, Sorkin fixes that this time around by setting his new show in reality. Except, as mentioned, I don't like that he's using fictional characters to represent real things (the fictional spokesperson for Halliburton, the fictional spokespeople for Jan Brewer and Rand Paul).

    I think they should approach Rush Limbaugh about doing a guest role, too. Limbaugh was often lampooned on Family Guy, but he reprised himself on an episode once. I think for the right price, he would play himself and record some audio of himself rambling on about the ACN and Will McAvoy. It would be cool and add to the "this is happening in real life" thing the show is trying to portray. But, Aaron Sorkin probably shutters the idea of even picking up the phone to call Limbaugh, so, shame on him.

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