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    The Innocence of Muslims...



    Is this it?

    Is this what Muslims are in outrage over?

    Its sad that someone died because of this, but I dont think you can make a movie this bad by accident.


    As another election draws near; the G.O.P. are yet again filled with a stupid confidence that the they will win the White House. What they don't realize about people like Trump, Carson, and Cruz is that their rhetoric only resonates within an echo chamber, but not the American people. They live in an illusion of falsehood and distorted truth and only seek information and opinions that confirm these beliefs and instantly reject anything that contradicts them because only their opinions matter. Their notion of freedom is freedom for themselves and those alike to them, but not the rest of the country which has changed.
    These are the reasons why the G.O.P is set to lose in 2016. And when that happens, rest assured that they will have myriad of conspiracy theories blaming everyone and everything from the liberal media, to Oprah, to welfare moms, and pretty much everyone but their own disgusting selves.



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    Re: The Innocence of Muslims...

    I heard (which means it may or may not be true) that the actors read a script that didn't include the name "Mohamed", that it was dubbed in later. Can anyone verify that?

    Its probably not very important, except to say that if one person's half-arsed movie making and editing can cause this much turmoil, there's probably something bigger going on at the roots of this stuff. I s'pect this was just another convenient thing for radicals to rally around. In other words, if the movie wasn't there, they would have "found" something else. That something else could have been a torn page of a book, a cartoon, an e-mail, or just about anything.

    Disclaimer: I haven't watched the video.
    Last edited by Dutchcedar; 10-01-2012 at 10:07 PM. Reason: spelling like a turd grader

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    Re: The Innocence of Muslims...

    I think the only solution against islam right now is to withdraw all troops and funds from those countries, close down the embassies.

    Then make an announcement saying any attempted terrorist attack will result in the terrorist's country of origin getting nuked.


    As another election draws near; the G.O.P. are yet again filled with a stupid confidence that the they will win the White House. What they don't realize about people like Trump, Carson, and Cruz is that their rhetoric only resonates within an echo chamber, but not the American people. They live in an illusion of falsehood and distorted truth and only seek information and opinions that confirm these beliefs and instantly reject anything that contradicts them because only their opinions matter. Their notion of freedom is freedom for themselves and those alike to them, but not the rest of the country which has changed.
    These are the reasons why the G.O.P is set to lose in 2016. And when that happens, rest assured that they will have myriad of conspiracy theories blaming everyone and everything from the liberal media, to Oprah, to welfare moms, and pretty much everyone but their own disgusting selves.



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    Re: The Innocence of Muslims...

    ^^^ I agree. Maybe not a nuke, though. Maybe a missile barrage for failed attempts, a MOAB for small successful attacks, a full on B52 bomb assault for semi-large successful attacks, and so on. Heck, publish 'em a menu..

    One caveat... we'd have to produce our own oil out of our own ground.

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    Re: The Innocence of Muslims...

    I didn't watch the whole thing, I couldn't take any more...

    It wasn't about the video anyway. Just so happened that the ambassador was killed on 9/11?
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    Re: The Innocence of Muslims...

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinC939 View Post
    I think the only solution against islam right now is to withdraw all troops and funds from those countries, close down the embassies.

    Then make an announcement saying any attempted terrorist attack will result in the terrorist's country of origin getting nuked.
    I don't think there's anyone here even on TLR that won't agree Obama tried everything he could to try and make peace with the extremist Muslims in the ME. No American president in recent history went as far as he did, and how does he get repaid? An American embassy is destroyed on 9/11 and the ambassador is killed.

    BTW Justin, I couldn't help but get Deja Vu when I saw your post.

    http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.p...&postcount=271

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    Re: The Innocence of Muslims...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    I heard (which means it may or may not be true) that the actors read a script that didn't include the name "Mohamed", that it was dubbed in later. Can anyone verify that?
    Yeah, I watched it and I noticed too that Muhammed seemed to be dubbed in after the fact. Which is weird.

    I watched the whole 14 minute "trailer" on YouTube. It's stupid and nonsensical and I doubt anymore exists than those 14 minutes on YouTube.

    As far as the satire goes, what they say about Muhammed is no worse than what Family Guy says about Jesus Christ on a regular basis. This is mild stuff.

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    Re: The Innocence of Muslims...

    Like I said previously, I'd let BP drill for oil in my backyard if it meant we could completely withdraw from the ME.

    I'd like to see a cost/benefit analysis for the last 30 years we've spent meddling over there....to figure out just how much money our government has spent so that oil companies can reap profits.

    Keep in mind, I don't have a problem with oil companies reaping profits, I just wish they didn't need our military to act as their personal escorts/body guards/security team....or that if they did need them, they'd be the ones footing the bill. We don't NEED to be there for any other reason than (1) oil, and (2) to protect Israel.....and one can argue that reason (2) is directly correlated to reason (1).

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    Re: The Innocence of Muslims...

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDragon24 View Post
    Like I said previously, I'd let BP drill for oil in my backyard if it meant we could completely withdraw from the ME.

    I'd like to see a cost/benefit analysis for the last 30 years we've spent meddling over there....to figure out just how much money our government has spent so that oil companies can reap profits.

    Keep in mind, I don't have a problem with oil companies reaping profits, I just wish they didn't need our military to act as their personal escorts/body guards/security team....or that if they did need them, they'd be the ones footing the bill. We don't NEED to be there for any other reason than (1) oil, and (2) to protect Israel.....and one can argue that reason (2) is directly correlated to reason (1).
    I dunno. Oil companies may have profited but it also let you put gas in your car every week.

    As for Israel, well, ostensibly we're there to prevent World War 3 from starting on top of 60% of the world's oil supply, but I think there are genuinely good reasons to support Israel too. They're the only civilized country in the Middle East with a democratically elected government. They even have government-run health care, BD.

    We're also parked in Japan and South Korea to discourage North Korea from starting a war there. Nowadays, a war between North Korea and Japan/South Korea would have a massive impact on the world economy because that whole region (plus China) is the center of the world's consumer electronics industry, but we were there long before Sony and Samsung are what they are today.

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    Re: The Innocence of Muslims...

    Quote Originally Posted by Keven View Post
    I dunno. Oil companies may have profited but it also let you put gas in your car every week.
    Come on. ME oil is the only oil that runs my Honda? I don't think so.

    As for Israel, well, ostensibly we're there to prevent World War 3 from starting on top of 60% of the world's oil supply, but I think there are genuinely good reasons to support Israel too. They're the only civilized country in the Middle East with a democratically elected government. They even have government-run health care, BD.
    Israel's existence with our support is the reason why WWIII would start.
    We're also parked in Japan and South Korea to discourage North Korea from starting a war there. Nowadays, a war between North Korea and Japan/South Korea would have a massive impact on the world economy because that whole region (plus China) is the center of the world's consumer electronics industry, but we were there long before Sony and Samsung are what they are today.
    Team America, World Police!!!

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    Re: The Innocence of Muslims...

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDragon24 View Post
    Come on. ME oil is the only oil that runs my Honda? I don't think so.
    No, but it would be more expensive without oil from the Middle East. Besides, you're acting like the oil from the middle east turns into money for the oil companies. No, it's a raw material that they refine into petrochemcials that are used around the world and in America. They're making healthy profits on it, but it's not like they're supplying nothing in return (IE: hedge funds, ooo topical).

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDragon24 View Post
    Israel's existence with our support is the reason why WWIII would start.
    Well, I wasn't born when Israel was created and I don't think you were either so debating the merits of the UN creating Israel out of the British Palestine is tantamount to debating the politics of Napoleonic France. Pulling all support from Israel would be like letting the Muslims start a second Holocaust at this point. We're kind of stuck with supporting Israel at this point. Despite what Helen Thomas said, we can't "send them all back to Germany and Poland".

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDragon24 View Post
    Team America, World Police!!!
    We definitely meddle in things where we don't belong. Iraq, in retrospect, was stupid and Afghanistan was poorly mismanaged from the beginning, but I don't think there's anything wrong with using super power deterrence with regards to Israel and North Korea.

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    Re: The Innocence of Muslims...

    I attempted to get past 3 or 4 minutes and couldnt. Just a junk video.
    To blame the video seems like an act of convenience. The blame is with the religious zealots in the ME/Africa who used the video to incite violence.
    But our Administration didnt want the fingers pointing at those folks...in keeping with obvious policy. Mistake.

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    Re: The Innocence of Muslims...

    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal View Post
    I attempted to get past 3 or 4 minutes and couldnt. Just a junk video.
    To blame the video seems like an act of convenience. The blame is with the religious zealots in the ME/Africa who used the video to incite violence.
    But our Administration didnt want the fingers pointing at those folks...in keeping with obvious policy. Mistake.
    Yep. The video is stupid, but Obama shouldn't be blaming the people who made it. And he did it again last week when he was at the UN General Assembly.

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    Re: The Innocence of Muslims...

    Quote Originally Posted by kbohip View Post
    I don't think there's anyone here even on TLR that won't agree Obama tried everything he could to try and make peace with the extremist Muslims in the ME. No American president in recent history went as far as he did, and how does he get repaid? An American embassy is destroyed on 9/11 and the ambassador is killed.

    BTW Justin, I couldn't help but get Deja Vu when I saw your post.

    http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.p...&postcount=271
    I don't think Obama tried to make peace with them as much as he tried to appease them. Many in the world only respect/fear strength and Obama does not project that quality. Maybe he should show them his Nobel instead of the 5th Fleet and they will see he means business.

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    Re: The Innocence of Muslims...

    The obvious tip off that making nice doesnt work with the folks over there is best illustrated by how they deal with one another. They dont appreciate diplomacy that smacks of weakness. Its all about strength.
    Pretty arrogant of our administration to assume what might work here in the US would work with these tribal nations.

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