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  1. #16
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    Re: Government Shutdown 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by tucker View Post
    ^^ who puts the tip on the table?
    Put's on Obama hat. The employees shouldn't have to be subjugated to the indignities of tipping! The employer should pay the employees a "living" wage and never pass that extra money he has to come up with for that to the customer. Only greed keeps this from happening! Oh, and free healthcare too!!!

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    Re: Government Shutdown 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by tucker View Post
    ^^ who puts the tip on the table?
    This should have been obvious... the tip was on the credit card and the whiny liberal waiter thought it should have been much more because the coffee in her lap was an accident and anyone who dines out certainly has the dosh to tip well... damn Boosh.

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    Re: Government Shutdown 2013

    ...


    Obama's world...


    Vaillancourt was one of thousands of people who found themselves in a national park as the federal government shutdown went into effect on Oct. 1. For many hours her tour group, which included senior citizen visitors from Japan, Australia, Canada and the United States, were locked in a Yellowstone National Park hotel under armed guard.

    The tourists were treated harshly by armed park employees, she said, so much so that some of the foreign tourists with limited English skills thought they were under arrest.

    When finally allowed to leave, the bus was not allowed to halt at all along the 2.5-hour trip out of the park, not even to stop at private bathrooms that were open along the route.

    “We’ve become a country of fear, guns and control,” said Vaillancourt, who grew up in Lawrence. “It was like they brought out the armed forces. Nobody was saying, ‘we’re sorry,’ it was all like — ” as she clenched her fist and banged it against her forearm.

    Vaillancourt took part in a nine-day tour of western parks and sites along with about four dozen senior citizen tourists. One of the highlights of the tour was to be Yellowstone, where they arrived just as the shutdown went into effect.

    Rangers systematically sent visitors out of the park, though some groups that had hotel reservations — such as Vaillancourt’s — were allowed to stay for two days. Those two days started out on a sour note, she said.

    The bus stopped along a road when a large herd of bison passed nearby, and seniors filed out to take photos. Almost immediately, an armed ranger came by and ordered them to get back in, saying they couldn’t “recreate.” The tour guide, who had paid a $300 fee the day before to bring the group into the park, argued that the seniors weren’t “recreating,” just taking photos.

    “She responded and said, ‘Sir, you are recreating,’ and her tone became very aggressive,” Vaillancourt said.

    The seniors quickly filed back onboard and the bus went to the Old Faithful Inn, the park’s premier lodge located adjacent to the park’s most famous site, Old Faithful geyser. That was as close as they could get to the famous site — barricades were erected around Old Faithful, and the seniors were locked inside the hotel, where armed rangers stayed at the door.

    “They looked like Hulk Hogans, armed. They told us you can’t go outside,” she said. “Some of the Asians who were on the tour said, ‘Oh my God, are we under arrest?’ They felt like they were criminals.”

    By Oct. 3 the park, which sees an average of 4,500 visitors a day, was nearly empty. The remaining hotel visitors were required to leave.

    As the bus made its 2.5-hour journey out of Yellowstone, the tour guide made arrangements to stop at a full-service bathroom at an in-park dude ranch he had done business with in the past. Though the bus had its own small bathroom, Vaillancourt said seniors were looking for a more comfortable place to stop. But no stop was made — Vaillancourt said the dude ranch had been warned that its license to operate would be revoked if it allowed the bus to stop. So the bus continued on to Livingston, Mont., a gateway city to the park.

    The bus trip made headlines in Livingston, where the local newspaper Livingston Enterprise interviewed the tour guide, Gordon Hodgson, who accused the park service of “Gestapo tactics.”

    “The national parks belong to the people,” he told the Enterprise. “This isn’t right.”

    Calls to Yellowstone’s communications office were not returned, as most of the personnel have been furloughed.

    Many of the foreign visitors were shocked and dismayed by what had happened and how they were treated, Vaillancourt said.

    “A lot of people who were foreign said they wouldn’t come back (to America),” she said.

    The National Parks’ aggressive actions have spawned significant criticism in western states. Governors in park-rich states such as Arizona have been thwarted in their efforts to fund partial reopenings of parks. The Washington Times quoted an unnamed Park Service official who said park law enforcement personnel were instructed to “make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”

    The experience brought up many feelings in Vaillancourt. What struck her most was a widely circulated story about a group of World War II veterans who were on a trip to Washington, D.C., to see the World War II memorial when the shutdown began. The memorial was barricaded and guards were posted, but the vets pushed their way in.

    That reminded her of her father, a World War II veteran who spent three years in a Japanese prisoner of war camp.

    “My father took a lot of crap from the Japanese,” she recalled, her eyes welling with tears. “Every day they made him bow to the Japanese flag. But he stood up to them.

    “He always said to stand up for what you believe in, and don’t let them push you around,” she said, adding she was sad to see “fear, guns and control” turned on citizens in her own country.
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    Re: Government Shutdown 2013

    ^^ most of the camp grounds on the lake and the river are closed here.

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    Re: Government Shutdown 2013

    It's our government forcing people at gunpoint to believe that we need them to keep a geyser open, or keep a huge hole in the ground open, etc. The truth is, we DON'T need these overpaid morons! I say fire all of their worthless, "non-essential" asses! National Parks belong to the citizens of the US, NOT the ever more draconian government that continues to take our rights away on a daily basis.

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    Yeah, Obama trying to close everything he possibly can to make people notice the government shutdown so they blame the Republicans. There was a CNN article that Mount Vernon (George Washington's estate, for those that failed middle school history) is privately funded, except for the parking lot, which receives federal funding. Obama's NPS goons showed up when the shutdown started and tried to "close" Mount Vernon.

    Same here in Wisconsin, the state parks received a pittance of federal funding and the NPS tried to close them too, until Scott Walker announced the state would cover the missing amount from the feds in the interim and reopened the state parks.

    Same with the WW2 war memorial in Washington DC, which I'm sure we all saw. Why does a bunch of marble need to be "closed"? Obama, the chief executive, who runs the government, is trying to shut down things Americans will notice, because nobody in Middle America gives a shit if 500,000 bloated federal bureaucrats at the Department of Whatever in Washington DC are out of work.

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    And Boehner and Obama are now in a faceoff over this talk of a "short-term" deal. Boehner was them to make a deal before they restart the government, Obama wants them to make a deal after they restart the government? Why trust Obama? During the 2012 election, in the debates, he very clearly said we needed a balanced approach to fix the budget (tax hikes + spending cuts). Then, after he won, and the Dems raised taxes on the rich, he said we were done cutting spending. You can't trust the guy as far as you can throw him.

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    Re: Government Shutdown 2013

    I was just reading that during the "government shutdown", 87% of it is not affected at all.

    So according to my kareful kalculus, the national parks, highway vista points, federal subsidies to state parks, and the cost of burying our warriors killed in battle make up 13% of the budget.

    This is nothing more than a dog and pony show, also known as a big arsed crock of shlt.

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    Re: Government Shutdown 2013

    Now they're taking the handles off of water fountains along hiking and biking trails to protect federal government water.

    http://marathonpundit.blogspot.com/2...ns-remove.html

    Idiots.

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    Re: Government Shutdown 2013

    The thought of budget cuts terrifies President Yourmoneyismymoney.

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    Re: Government Shutdown 2013

    Markets are raging today and never really tanked- putting another sack of lies to bed.
    American Public Education Made Me Ignorant and MSM Keeps Me Stupid.

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    Re: Government Shutdown 2013

    Yeah, the shutdown.




    Speaker John Boehner's (R-Ohio) outburst Thursday at outside conservative groups is going viral on the Internet.

    Boehner voiced incredulity Thursday that the same groups that pushed Republicans to shut down the government later said they knew the strategy wouldn't succeed in defunding ObamaCare.

    ďAre you kidding me?!Ē Boehner exclaimed at the GOP's press conference at the Capitol.





    Itís the second day in a row Boehner has criticized the groups.

    People began tweeting that Boehnerís outburst would make a good Gif. Thus, one was created.
    George Carlin
    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

    Thomas Jefferson to John Page Fairfeilds Dec: 25. 1762.
    ... But the old-fellows say we must read to gain knowledge; and gain knowledge to make us happy and be admired. Mere jargon! Is there any such thing as happiness in this world? No: And as for admiration I am sure the man who powders most, parfumes most, embroiders most, and talks most nonsense, is most admired.

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