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  1. #31
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    Re: Whoever is Running in 2016 ... ?

    I'm across the pond, and I don't have really any say of course, but I will say this - get involved. As people get more interested and involved, and the focus shifts onto the candidates and their voices, things will improve.

    Enjoy it. Give people a chance - unless they flat out don't deserve it. Don't loose perspective or rationality (or even hope) with the conspiracy theories or the backer-to-policy triangle. Just enjoy it, get involved, be behind the candidate when they come in and do what you want to do in a free society, meanwhile. People are almost always on the side of people, even if they don't quite see it for that at a given time.

    Best wishes over there in the beloved USA.
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    Re: Whoever is Running in 2016 ... ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoea View Post
    I'm across the pond, and I don't have really any say of course, but I will say this - get involved. As people get more interested and involved, and the focus shifts onto the candidates and their voices, things will improve.

    Enjoy it. Give people a chance - unless they flat out don't deserve it. Don't loose perspective or rationality (or even hope) with the conspiracy theories or the backer-to-policy triangle. Just enjoy it, get involved, be behind the candidate when they come in and do what you want to do in a free society, meanwhile. People are almost always on the side of people, even if they don't quite see it for that at a given time.

    Best wishes over there in the beloved USA.
    Thanks. We just have an uphill battle with a nearly thoroughly corrupted and delusional government bought off with trillions in debt money by those who are willing to steal and kill to keep it all, control it all and make it worse. We are recognizing a new aristocracy that has re-branded itself with debt-based money and and high tech.

    If I got it right, real industrial and economic growth numbers are going down across the board and and we haven't seen the Big Ugly of what shouldn't have had to happen yet, but it's coming. Soon. Not a lot of concern for people by those responsible. People have to make it their business to hold them to account.
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    Re: Whoever is Running in 2016 ... ?

    Finally got a little time to read some thing- this one only touches some thought I had:

    http://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/2015...-the-republic/
    Let us please stipulate that in a rational world, a woman like Hillary Rodham Clinton would have absolutely no chance of being nominated for, much less elected, president of the United States. She has achieved nothing, accomplished nothing (unless you count the four dead Americans at Benghazi, for which she will ultimately be held responsible);
    And yet, even after the comically disastrous and transparently phony launch of her new “campaign,” she’s considered the “inevitable” Democrat nominee for 2016 and, very likely, the next president of the United States. For the sake of democracy in America, she needs to be defeated and politically destroyed. Break Hillary and you have begun to break the power of the Mainstream Media, a fifth column masquerading as the Fourth Estate whose mission it has been for decades to “fundamentally transform” the United States of America.

    For the only reason an HRC candidacy is even plausible is the influence of the legacy media, which has simply declared, by fiat, her suitability and her inevitability. You may recall that the MSM did the same thing in the run-up to 2008, until their dreamboat, Obama, came along and gave the aging Baby Boomers, who had dreamed of exactly this moment since 1968, a reason to push the female candidate to the back of the bus in order to celebrate the only kind of “diversity” they advocate, which is racial.

    It didn’t matter to the Racialist Left that Obama had exactly nothing to do with the authentic black American experience — he was not from a slave background, he grew up in largely racially colorblind Hawaii ....

    But in choosing to send young Barry to the Punahou School — where the Anglo elite had long sent their progeny — his parents, or handlers, found the one school in the islands where he could feel racially aggrieved.

    In short, his “blackness” was essentially manufactured in order to sell him to the media and then to a good-hearted American public as a plausible black candidate in a way that, say, Jesse Jackson was (in their view) not. Harry Reid inadvertently let the cat out of the bag away when he remarked that Obama had “no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.” In other words, Obama was not threateningly black, a racist view Joe Biden endorsed when he called him “articulate and clean.”
    I don't think HRC's candidacy will be about a woman becoming president, but how well sexual bigotry has been sold.
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    Re: Whoever is Running in 2016 ... ?

    One thing I see with Hillary is a page from the McCain failed candidacy: I did my time, so I get the nomination, duh. That's terrible logic and clearly failed for McCain. With Bernie Sanders getting in, I'm not sure Hillary is going to make it. I mean, I've noticed liberal media poking fun at Hillary, so I don't know if she's got more than half-assed support from the Democrat side. Even the DNC Facebook page seemed to give an net "meh" to her campaign announcement. I think the DNC has a lot better, less tarnished options to offer than Hillary.

    The GOP may offer up Carly Fiorina, and while her executive experience is good, the overall package isn't something that makes me jump up for her.
    Pre-empting "sexist" comments, I have zero qualms with a woman in any leadership role. I do have a problem, more from the HRC camp, of seeding sexist strawmen traps because you don't want a woman (HRC, specifically). I want the best for the job, and gender, race, movie preferences, etc DO NOT MATTER. I'm not voting for Hillary because I don't think she's the right person for the job.

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    ^ The difference between John McCain's run and Hillary Clinton's upcoming attempt is that the media treated McCain as luke warm, whereas the MSM has all be chosen HRC to be our next president - before the gawwddamm primaries have even been ran.
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    Re: Whoever is Running in 2016 ... ?

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveW View Post
    ^ The difference between John McCain's run and Hillary Clinton's upcoming attempt is that the media treated McCain as luke warm, whereas the MSM has all be chosen HRC to be our next president - before the gawwddamm primaries have even been ran.
    I think there's a big problem with preceived American Royalty. Obama, Clinton and Bush are the top three names associated with royal status. It seems to me royal families have deep rooted problems with mental illness. A ragging river, a boat and no paddles...
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    Re: Whoever is Running in 2016 ... ?

    I think there is going to be a rude awakening to politicians across the board. Fortunately, American "royalty" gets fired. In many countries still- they get beheaded. Drug lords take their cue from previous royalty- they kill families as a whole. So did the Soviets.

    Our "royalty" should stop treating the public as children needing micromanagement. We're not the thugs here.
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    Re: Whoever is Running in 2016 ... ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skennar View Post
    I think there is going to be a rude awakening to politicians across the board. Fortunately, American "royalty" gets fired.

    Our "royalty" should stop treating the public as children needing micromanagement. We're not the thugs here.
    We can only hope.
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    He's stood against the Patiriot Act, has called out Obama, and is dissing his own leadership: McCain, McConnell, Graham- all the typical (R)-holes. He also changed his mind and voted against the TPA and is turning on the TPP.

    He is currently the only Republican I can vote for President:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...on-shuts-down/
    “The president has been told in no uncertain terms—and by the end of the week this will be in writing—that he can no longer illegally collect all of Americans’ phone records and keep them in Utah,” Paul said.

    I think this is a big rebuke for the president. The courts told him it was illegal and he just kept doing it anyway. I think most Americans, particularly Republicans, don’t trust this president. This is the same president who went after Tea Party groups and went after religious liberty and religious groups. I don’t understand why some of the big government Republicans up here don’t get it because most Republicans I meet across the country don’t want this president to have access to all their phone records.

    Paul criticized—without naming names—GOP senators including Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) of Florida, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) of Arizona and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) of South Carolina and other Republicans like Jeb Bush for failing to listen to voters about their concerns with the NSA program.

    “I think they get in a Washington echo chamber for so long and don’t get outside the beltway enough to listen to people in America,” Paul said of the Republicans who blindly support the program.

    I’ve been all over the United States in the last year, particularly in the last week or so when we’ve been talking just about the PATRIOT Act, and we get hundreds of people showing up at every stop who are all saying you know what, they don’t want President Obama to be collecting their phone records. So I find that not only is it the right position, it’s also a very popular position among Republicans—just not in the Washington establishment Republicans. But when you’re out there meeting with grassroots Republicans, the grassroots by and large think that President Obama went way too far with this illegal collection of our phone records.

    Despite a Washington Post article that suggested he’s slipping in Iowa because of this stance against the NSA’s program, Paul points to several recent polls that show he’s in the top tier of GOP candidates—and one of the best Republicans when it comes to facing off directly with former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. In fact, polls from battleground states ranging from Iowa to Colorado to Pennsylvania to New Hampshire have Paul beating Clinton if the election were held right now.
    Yeah- time to go with someone who is remotely listening to us and GET RID OF THE CORRUPT RINOS.
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    Re: Whoever is Running in 2016 ... ?

    I case you're wondering, here is a taste of how "poor Hilary" lives.

    https://www.americarisingpac.org/two...-pay-mortgage/



    Let's not forget that they're still having to raise money for their charities.

    Hillary and Bill remind me of the punch line to an old joke that goes something like this:

    "Well, I give every thing to God. Me and Bill put everything we make into a basket. Then we throw it ALL up in the air. When God is done taking what he wants, we figure anything that falls back to the ground is ours."
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    Gee, I feel bad for them, they're so broke they can't even afford cable, house in the first pic has an antenna on the roof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frogmeat69 View Post
    Gee, I feel bad for them, they're so broke they can't even afford cable, house in the first pic has an antenna on the roof.
    Good point. I'm sure she does her own housekeeping too.

    Speaking of which, I'm a TEA Party person who has some connection with hard conservative and libertarian people. I have never heard that "The Club For Growth" was a TEA Party organization until the Mother Jones rag labelled it such. ...

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...lub-for-growth

    Look, Donald Trump is shill designed to fracture the TEA Party left and right from rallying around one banner. Period.

    This is the 2012 tactic that made the Romney and Obama election a choice between Sodom and Gamorrah. The Republican party made sure that there was no real choice of candidate and evicted anyone from the convention who might criticize it. This is the game plan they have to keep you from ever being heard. Still, there is a true statement out of that article-
    There is no need to do a white paper on Donald Trump. He is not a serious Republican candidate, and many of his positions make him better suited to take on Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary. It would also be unfortunate if he takes away a spot at even one Republican debate.
    Sound familiar?

    Serious contender or not, his speeches are stolen pages from Rand Paul's play book. Trump is a game player. Why do you think he got into casinos? And he would make a good president because he is popular and starred in a "reality" TV show? Because he says all the things you want to hear? I'm sure some Democrats would like to talk to you about this.

    Nope. This is simply to prevent people from rallying to one banner. He's the jack in a stacked deck. And here is why:

    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...an-in-politics
    Rand Paul = Democrats’ Enemy #1
    The senator’s broad appeal threatens to weaken Democrats for 2016, and they are going on offense—sending out no less than 10 press releases on his latest trip to Iowa.

    Democrats fundraise and campaign by exploiting concerns about right-wing extremism. But at least at the moment, what they apparently fear most is the rise of a candidate who could potentially poach enough of their supporters to beat them in 2016.
    Trump is also proof of the power of betrayal in his own party- which has betrayed most of its constituency to kiss corporate booty-
    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...an-in-politics
    Meet the Most Dangerous Man in Politics

    This week at the Conservative Political Action Conference, party activists are going to be listening to speeches from the large field of Republican presidential aspirants and voting for their personal favorites in the conference's annual straw poll.

    Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul has won the honor the last two years. Surely, all of his likely opponents – from former Gov. Jeb Bush to Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker – have their supporters working extra hard to make sure that it doesn't happen again this year.

    For Paul and his nascent campaign team, this "Hunger Games" dynamic (temporarily gang up with competitors to take out other rivals) likely feels familiar. For as Paul's presidential prospects have risen, GOP insiders from across the conservative spectrum have declared him “dangerous.”
    But I did like her last statement which strongly hints at what I already KNOW- that there is a LOT of dirty money in BOTH parties:
    Why would the GOP embrace a failed foreign policy from the past, which severely tarnished the reputation of its last president and resulted in a Democratic White House? Because most seem to think that President Barack Obama's apparent fecklessness (and by extension that of his former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the likely Democratic nominee) in dealing with the Islamic State group and Russia is going to be evident enough to excite Americans to re-engage more forcefully in the world. They don't seem to realize that in the 2016 debate over where we'd rather go in the future, few Americans are going to want to go back to Bush to prevent a continuation of Obama.
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    Re: Whoever is Running in 2016 ... ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skennar View Post
    Good point. I'm sure she does her own housekeeping too.

    Speaking of which, I'm a TEA Party person who has some connection with hard conservative and libertarian people. I have never heard that "The Club For Growth" was a TEA Party organization until the Mother Jones rag labelled it such. ...

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...lub-for-growth

    Look, Donald Trump is shill designed to fracture the TEA Party left and right from rallying around one banner. Period.

    This is the 2012 tactic that made the Romney and Obama election a choice between Sodom and Gamorrah. The Republican party made sure that there was no real choice of candidate and evicted anyone from the convention who might criticize it. This is the game plan they have to keep you from ever being heard. Still, there is a true statement out of that article-

    Sound familiar?

    Serious contender or not, his speeches are stolen pages from Rand Paul's play book. Trump is a game player. Why do you think he got into casinos? And he would make a good president because he is popular and starred in a "reality" TV show? Because he says all the things you want to hear? I'm sure some Democrats would like to talk to you about this.

    Nope. This is simply to prevent people from rallying to one banner. He's the jack in a stacked deck. And here is why:

    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...an-in-politics


    Trump is also proof of the power of betrayal in his own party- which has betrayed most of its constituency to kiss corporate booty-
    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...an-in-politics


    But I did like her last statement which strongly hints at what I already KNOW- that there is a LOT of dirty money in BOTH parties:
    Trump? At the least he got the illegal immigration problem back on the front burner. I see illegal immigration as a top 3 issue maybe the biggest problem this country faces. Hell why worry about radical Islam when Mexico is winning the war.
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    Re: Whoever is Running in 2016 ... ?

    Quote Originally Posted by tucker View Post
    Trump? At the least he got the illegal immigration problem back on the front burner. I see illegal immigration as a top 3 issue maybe the biggest problem this country faces. Hell why worry about radical Islam when Mexico is winning the war.
    He has a lot of criticism, but what is his solution? Well here is Rand Paul on the issue.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Rand...mmigration.htm
    I agree with much of this. My MAIN issue here is the hazard of what I call "in-sourcing" This is the practice of bringing in foreign labor and paying THEIR wage plus per diem. They work on a rotating basis so that they don't violate the visa term and come back again later on a reset. Major companies do this. They allow foreign workers to bring their families and live in community-style complexes to save $$$. They pay no American taxes, benefits, etc. and in some cases can write-off some expense. And if America gets huffy about it, they can close down the American plant because they have a mostly trained workforce that can work in a facility overseas.

    The TAA green lights this by giving the moral hazard of improved unemployment insurance to underwrite these maneuvers. Growing the visa numbers increases this process.

    It doesn't add up people. The TPP is the destruction of the American workforce and is generating a peasantry that can't pay it's bills and has no more rights than third world labor.

    Who the hell are these people in congress? And when are we going to do something about it?

    When they run out of other people's money to pay for it....
    Last edited by Skennar; 07-12-2015 at 11:52 AM. Reason: emphasized "their wage" = outsourced wage
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    ^^^ In my opinion nothing works until the borders are secured to the point where nobody can get in. All this crap about a 2000 mile border being impossible to secure is nothing but a bunch of BS. This country owes nothing to the citizens of Mexico and as far as Im concerned Mexico isn't a friend they are a frigging enemy. A country without borders is what we are.

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