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    Newsmax.

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    ^^lol, the tlr trump faithful, almost the complete handful, attacks reason with a mind bending jumble of incomplete sentences. Oh gosh. You've set me straight!!!

    Not.

    No evidence given, just the soundbite of conspiratory 'deep state' rantings with apparently no understanding of the meaning of the words.

    Why Steve Bannon Wants You to Believe in the Deep State
    The Deep State. The president is said to be irate about this rear-guard action led by, in the words of White House press secretary Sean Spicer, Obama administration holdovers who have “burrowed in” and “continue to espouse the agenda of the previous administration.” Trump’s unshakable certainty that his Trump Tower phone has been tapped seems to be rooted—disingenuously or not—in this belief.

    Many, including Loren DeJonge Schulman, Max Fisher and David Remnick, have written insightfully on the fatuousness of these charges, and there is plenty more to say: for example, that there may be only one Obama appointee left in the two premier Deep State institutions, the FBI and CIA. That’s FBI Director James Comey, whose unprecedented intervention in the presidential election would give Hillary Clinton a much better basis for complaining about the political manipulations of unelected officials than Trump. At the CIA, all four Obama appointees have left, and it is unlikely any Obama people remain at the National Security Agency and the passel of other intelligence agencies, where there were never more than a handful. The problems that plague Trump have nothing to do with former President Barack Obama, or some covert “opposition.” Like it or not, leaks abound when career people feel their agencies are being unfairly attacked, as they did after Trump accused the intelligence community of politicization and fabrication, or when they fear that an administration is dangerously undermining U.S. interests, a worry engendered by Trump’s denigration of traditional U.S. allies and lionization of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    What has been lost in the discussion of the Deep State, however, is that even if it is fiction, it is a profoundly useful one for the White House. As Trump takes a wrecking ball to the federal bureaucracy—what Steve Bannon has called “the administrative state”—an illusory enemy like the Deep State is exactly what is needed to justify the destruction. Repetitive allusions to sinister officials and administrators will expand and energize the constituency for a radical downsizing and weakening of government agencies, especially among Republicans, who appear to believe Trump’s utterances no matter how much the media debunk them. However thoughtful the New York Times or the New Yorker criticisms of the Deep State rhetoric may be, the White House seems to have plenty of reasons to stick with its new myth.

    Indeed, the Trump administration seems to be enjoying the brush fire building in the right-wing press. It’s probably not a coincidence that Breitbart, Bannon’s former domain, has put out a string of tales about Deep State infestation, including at the Commerce Department and Environmental Protection Agency. This is the sort of allegation that would bring tears of laughter to a true Deep Stater—say a Pakistani ISI officer—who would never imagine that an agency dedicated to the environment would be worth penetrating. But it makes sense when you recall that the EPA has been identified as a key target of the administration. The “skinny budget” just released by the White House shows EPA targeted for the biggest budget cuts of any agency, 31 percent in all.

    The Deep State fiction also fits well with the White House’s apparently deliberate strategy to leave such traditional behemoths as the State Department almost without any leadership. On Mahogany Row, the department’s seventh-floor power corridor, 7 of 9 of the top positions are empty—only Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Undersecretary for Political Affairs Tom Shannon, a career foreign service member, are in office. There are no assistant secretaries for the different regional bureaus, or for such functional powerhouses as the Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement, which spends billions a year on what one would have thought was a top Trump issue. More astonishing, there are no nominations for any of these posts.

    In that light—and given the whopping 29 percent budget cut for State, second only to EPA—it is a good bet that the White House’s top priority for the State Department is not any particular policy goal. Instead, it is to make good on Spicer’s riposte to the thousand or so foreign service officers and civil servants who signed the famous Dissent Channel cable objecting to the first abortive executive order on immigration and refugees: “These career bureaucrats have a problem with it?” he said during his daily news briefing. “I think they should either get with the program or they can go.”

    State’s not the only agency with empty offices. Nearly two months into the new administration, the lack of interest in filling some 4,000 open jobs across the government with political appointees is stunning. Even if one factors in Trump’s extreme reluctance to hire anyone who ever criticized him—which takes plenty out of the running—this can no longer be attributed to growing pains or incompetence. It’s intentional: The administration aims to cripple many agencies and eliminate them as independent power centers, thus giving more power to the president.

    It’s a fact of life within the executive branch that agencies wield considerable power and pursue their own bureaucratic interests. That’s why ordinarily we have political appointees to ensure that the bureaucracy for the most part follows the policy leadership of the White House. Still, doing battle with the bureaucracy has driven presidents to distraction. It has also at times provided a brake on rash actions coming from the White House.

    This administration has taken a different tack, effectively ensuring that the departments have next to no leadership of any kind; the gears that usually mesh so agencies work together have been sawed off, and there is just a lot of spinning going on. The exception, of course, is the Department of Defense, whose ability to work Capitol Hill and the massive industries that depend on it is being enhanced.

    The Trump team appears intent on changing the nature of American government so that power can more comprehensively be centralized in the White House. With State cut down to size, for example, there will be fewer pesky demands that we adhere to international law in counterterrorism, uphold our treaty responsibility to accept refugees under the 1951 Refugee Convention or even pay attention to Arab objections to moving our embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. This is a big problem. Those kinds of initiatives are frustrating to plenty of citizens who’d like to see more decisive action, but they are also the heart of the brand of deliberative policymaking that has usually kept our government on track. Slow and steady government works. And yet that is exactly what Trump and his minions seek to demolish.

    How far will this incautious power grab go? It’s impossible to say, but there is a campaign in the making. Trump adviser Newt Gingrich has said he has spoken with Bannon about the issue and made clear he is on board, declaring, “Of course, the Deep State exists. There’s a permanent state of massive bureaucracies that do whatever they want and set up deliberate leaks to attack the president. … This is what the Deep State does: They create a lie, spread a lie, fail to check the lie and then deny that they were behind the lie.” Sean Hannity has called for firing “deep state, Obama holdover” officials, adding, with characteristic delicacy, “It’s time for the Trump administration to begin to purge these saboteurs before it’s too late.” A variety of House Republicans, including Duncan Hunter of California, Steve King of Iowa and Mike Kelly of Pennsylvania, have echoed these charges. Kelly went to so far as to charge that Obama had stayed in Washington to “run a shadow government,” a remark he later retracted.

    These are the sounds of a myth taking flight. It would be a mistake to underestimate its durability or its potential power.
    Orwell was almost right. What he missed was how the story behind 1984 began.
    Thomas Jefferson to John Page Fairfeilds Dec: 25. 1762.
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    ^^^Of course the trump faithful will diss Politico's article.

    Let's shift to Bill Moyers who's site has been writing about the deep state years before it became a sound bite for the trump administration.


    The Deep State, Explained
    America's Deep State is harder to find than those abroad, but could get stronger under Trump.

    As the daily drip of information about possible links between Trump’s campaign and Russia trickles on, Democrats, commentators and at least some officials in the US intelligence community, it seems, smell a rat. CNN reported last week that according to sources, “The FBI has information that indicates associates of President Donald Trump communicated with suspected Russian operatives to possibly coordinate the release of information damaging to Hillary Clinton’s campaign.”

    Meanwhile, White House sources continue insisting to reporters that there’s no fire behind all the smoke. The true story, they say, is a conspiracy by the so-called “Deep State” to undermine a democratically elected president.

    Trump and his team are good at taking terms and twisting their meaning to suit their own ends. “Fake news,” for example. Once Trump started using it, the mainstream media, which had been using “fake news” to describe online lies packaged in the guise of honest reporting, largely backed away. “Let’s put this tainted term out of its misery,” Washington Post media columnist Margaret Sullivan wrote.

    “Deep State” may meet a similar fate, with some anti-Trump commentators arguing that the term, while appropriate for less democratic governments abroad, has no meaning in the United States, and refers to one of many conspiracy theories that found a home at InfoWars, Breitbart, and, ultimately, in the president’s brain.

    Yet despite that, the idea of a Deep State is useful when talking about the forces that drive US policy. Here’s a look at its history and use today.


    How Trump allies talk about the “Deep State”

    In Trump’s world, the “Deep State” is a sub rosa part of the liberal establishment, that crowd resistant to the reality TV star’s insurgent candidacy all along, and which ultimately was rebuffed by voters on Election Day. Although Trump has taken the helm of the executive branch, this theory goes, his opponents lurk just below the surface. “We are talking about the emergence of a deep state led by Barack Obama, and that is something that we should prevent,” Steve King, the right-wing member of Congress from Iowa and a Trump ally, told The New York Times.

    Implicit is the idea that the intelligence agencies’ investigation into Trump and his campaign’s Russia ties are baseless, and that leaks about the investigation to the press are part of an effort to undermine him. “Of course, the deep state exists,” Trump ally Newt Gingrich recently told the Associated Press. “There’s a permanent state of massive bureaucracies that do whatever they want and set up deliberate leaks to attack the president. This is what the deep state does: They create a lie, spread a lie, fail to check the lie and then deny that they were behind the lie.”

    The claim that the campaign was surveilled by Obama is also part of this supposed Deep State conspiracy; House Intelligence Committee Chair Devin Nunes fanned the flames last Wednesday when he suggested, based on information shared with him by the administration, that Trump advisers’ communications were likely collected during the transition, perhaps by accident. Breitbart has even started calling the wiretapping story DeepStateGate.

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    Thomas Jefferson to John Page Fairfeilds Dec: 25. 1762.
    ... But the old-fellows say we must read to gain knowledge; and gain knowledge to make us happy and be admired. Mere jargon! Is there any such thing as happiness in this world? No: And as for admiration I am sure the man who powders most, parfumes most, embroiders most, and talks most nonsense, is most admired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sock Puppet View Post

    ^^lol, the tlr trump faithful, almost the complete handful, attacks reason with a mind bending jumble of incomplete sentences. Oh gosh. You've set me straight!!!

    Not.

    No evidence given, just the soundbite of conspiratory 'deep state' rantings with apparently no understanding of the meaning of the words.

    Why Steve Bannon Wants You to Believe in the Deep State

    Orwell was almost right. What he missed was how the story behind 1984 began.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sock Puppet View Post

    ^^^Of course the trump faithful will diss Politico's article.

    Let's shift to Bill Moyers who's site has been writing about the deep state years before it became a sound bite for the trump administration.

    The Deep State, Explained
    America's Deep State is harder to find than those abroad, but could get stronger under Trump.
    Yet another unread copy/paste dissertation into liberal oblivion.....

    Last edited by SteveW; 04-03-2017 at 10:36 PM.

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    Politico?
    Moyers and Company?

    Impressive maybe I'll read the C&P after I beat my brains out with a sledgehammer...
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    Trump, Putin meeting could mend deteriorating relationship, Kremlin spokesman says

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...sman-says.html

    California Rep. Adam Schiff, the ranking Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, told CNN’s “State of the Union” that panel members still have no “definitive” evidence that the Trump campaign was working with Moscow to defeat Clinton.
    Relations worse than the "Cold War" just what McCain and his Democratic Party allies want. War Hawks...

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    ^^ We're all going to die the democrats are contributing to global warming with huge amounts of methane gas released in the atmosphere.

    Methane is the primary component of natural gas, a common fuel source. If methane is allowed to leak into the air before being used—from a leaky pipe, for instance—it absorbs the sun's heat, warming the atmosphere. For this reason, it's considered a greenhouse gas, like carbon dioxide.
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    Me thinks Media Matters has lost its gloss.

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    The democrats and MSM want to drag this out for as long as they can they're playing the paranoid SnowFlakes. They are riding a dead horse and they know it. Four years from now it will still be??

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    Sources: Trump, associates surveilled for up to year
    Apr. 03, 2017 - 6:46 - Fox News senior correspondent shares new details

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/538323502...#sp=show-clips

    More and more keeps seeping through the cracks multiple sources from multiple people. It's not looking good for Obambi's Deep State.
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    More importantly there's this.

    Trump admin stops disclosing troop deployment information
    Apr. 02, 2017 - 6:09 - Former Obama administration official reacts on 'America's News HQ'

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/538256440...#sp=show-clips

    In spite of what a Obambi's state department buttboy says Trump is doing it the right way. The executive branch and the generals run wars not the congress or the American people. Troop movements and deployments should remain secret until well after they happen. Disclosure of battle plans should never be publicized in the open media.

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    So it's looking more like Rice... I'm sure the SCOAMF will be along shortly to say he learned about this from watching the TV news like every other incident the numbnutz was ducking.

    Top Obama Adviser Sought Names of Trump Associates in Intel

    Schultzie will be along shortly... pivot to the divot...
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    ^^ Fried Rice ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tucker View Post
    ^^ Fried Rice ...
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