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    What about the Russians?

    Time for a different "what about" around TLR. Something besides Obama, Clinton, Butthurt, radical whatevers, Benghazi, Uranuim, etc.

    https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download


    U.S. law bans foreign nationals from making certain expenditures or financial disbursements for the purpose of influencing federal elections.

    U.S. law also bars agents of any foreign entity from engaging in political activities within the United States without first registering with the Attorney General.

    And U.S. law requires certain foreign nationals seeking entry to the United States to obtain a visa by providing truthful and
    accurate information to the government.

    Various federal agencies, including the Federal Election Commission, the U.S. Department of Justice, and the U.S.
    Department of State, are charged with enforcing these laws.
    Defendant ORGANIZATION had a strategic goal to sow discord in the U.S. political system, including the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

    Defendants posted derogatory information about a number of candidates, and by early to mid-2016, Defendants’ operations included supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump (“Trump Campaign”) and disparaging Hillary Clinton.

    Defendants made various expenditures to carry out those activities, including buying political advertisements on social media in the names of U.S. persons and entities.

    Defendants also staged political rallies inside the United States, and while posing as U.S. grassroots entities and U.S. persons, and without revealing their Russian identities and ORGANIZATION affiliation, solicited and compensated real U.S. persons to promote or disparage candidates.

    Some Defendants, posing as U.S. persons and without revealing their Russian association, communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities.
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    Re: What about the Russians?

    How come you didn’t mention Trump, collusion, obstruction, Mueller, FBI, DOJ, democrats and fake news.


    What about the Russians? I don’t get it there’s nothing new about Russian meddling... let’s talk about radical left meddling...

    Of course we could always start another Cold War or perhaps WWIII is more to your liking.
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    Re: What about the Russians?

    Quote Originally Posted by What about the ButtHurt? View Post

    Time for a different "what about" around TLR. Something besides Obama, Clinton, Butthurt, radical whatevers, Benghazi, Uranuim, etc.

    https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download
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    Re: What about the Russians?

    ^^ Speaking of butthurt George Soros and the Russians are professional meddlers I wonder if there’s collusion...

    Mueller knows, you betcha...
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    Re: What about the Russians?

    Quote Originally Posted by tucker View Post
    ^^ Speaking of butthurt George Soros and the Russians are professional meddlers I wonder if there’s collusion...
    Always collusion & hurt butts in the back of this bad boy....

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    Re: What about the Russians?

    Quote Originally Posted by tucker View Post
    How come you didn’t mention Trump, collusion, obstruction, Mueller, FBI, DOJ, democrats and fake news.


    What about the Russians? I don’t get it there’s nothing new about Russian meddling... let’s talk about radical left meddling...

    Of course we could always start another Cold War or perhaps WWIII is more to your liking.
    so your afraid of the russians and are willing to over look their interfering with our elections and democracy? is that why trump's been sitting on the bipartisan sanctions bill?

    oh, or is it because your guy won and don't want to admit the russians had a part in it.

    you, the republican party and the administration haven't acknowledge the russian attacked on our electoral system, so how can you do
    anything to prevent it again. that must be why nothings been done in over a year.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...16254?lo=ap_e2

    The mammoth indictment issued by special counsel Robert Mueller on Friday sparked a wave of Democratic calls to shield November’s midterm vote from foreign interference — but only scattered GOP demands for stronger safeguards.

    The divided response to the charges against 13 Russian nationals for a long-running, well-funded bid to influence the 2016 election underscores lawmakers’ difficulty in agreeing on any legislation to counter Moscow’s disruption campaign.

    Bipartisan proposals to bolster election cybersecurity and toughen disclosure rules for online political ads have yet to gain momentum in the GOP-controlled Congress. And lately, Democrats have focused more on pushing President Donald Trump on Russia sanctions that his administration chose not to impose last month.

    Still, numerous Democrats seized on the indictment, with Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) lamenting that Trump “denies reality” by minimizing Russia’s offensives and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) slamming Trump for presenting no “strategic plan to confront the Russians.”

    Trump greeted Mueller’s move with a tweet acknowledging the existence of Russian interference efforts he once dismissed as a “hoax,” while insisting that Kremlin-backed plans to boost his prospects did not affect the election’s outcome. In fact, the indictment offered no judgment on whether Russia’s efforts skewed the election, as Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) joined Democrats in pointing out on Friday.
    russian interference was fake news until it wasn't. denial, denial, denial...........deflection, deflection, deflection............ soros???
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    Re: What about the Russians?

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    Time for a different "what about" around TLR. Something besides Obama, Clinton, Butthurt, radical whatevers, Benghazi, Uranuim, etc.

    https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download
    trump would like to join the tlr in it's discourse.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...cmaster-416854

    Unlike the president, Trump's national security adviser H.R. McMaster was emphatic Saturday that the most recent indictment leaves no doubt that Russia meddled in the election, saying "the evidence is incontrovertible and available in the public domain."

    In a later tweet, Trump said that McMaster forgot to mention that the Russian interference has no influence on the outcome of the election.

    "General McMaster forgot to say that the results of the 2016 election were not impacted or changed by the Russians and that the only Collusion was between Russia and Crooked H, the DNC and the Dems," Trump wrote on Twitter. "Remember the Dirty Dossier, Uranium, Speeches, Emails and the Podesta Company!"


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    Re: What about the Russians?

    Quote Originally Posted by sinky View Post

    time for a different "what about" around tlr. Something besides obama, clinton, butthurt, radical whatevers, benghazi, uranuim, etc.

    https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download

    Quote Originally Posted by baghdad bob View Post
    so your afraid of the russians and are willing to over look their interfering with our elections and democracy? Is that why trump's been sitting on the bipartisan sanctions bill?

    Oh, or is it because your guy won and don't want to admit the russians had a part in it.

    You, the republican party and the administration haven't acknowledge the russian attacked on our electoral system, so how can you do
    anything to prevent it again. That must be why nothings been done in over a year.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...16254?lo=ap_e2

    russian interference was fake news until it wasn't. :d denial, denial, denial...........deflection, deflection, deflection............ Soros???
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    Quote Originally Posted by baghdad bob View Post
    trump would like to join the tlr in it's discourse.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...cmaster-416854



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    sorry guys, we need to explore this one first

    Quote Originally Posted by baghdad bob View Post
    you and trump are good at deflection. Changes nothing except to convince the wet brain followers.

    trump downplays russian election meddling yet again

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevew View Post
    not nearly as good as you are at total avoidance and spindoctoring...
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    Re: What about the Russians?

    Quote Originally Posted by baghdad bob View Post
    trump would like to join the tlr...
    Yup. Or does tlr pretty much simply repeat his tweets and that embracing style of his?
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    Re: What about the Russians?

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    Time for a different "what about" around TLR. Something besides Obama, Clinton, Butthurt, radical whatevers, Benghazi, Uranuim, etc.

    https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download
    Only otoc could come to TLR and waive the "RUSSIA" flag and say it's "besides" Clinton, Obama.. etc. Lets just say attempting the



    maneuver has never been your strong suit. The left has issued it's useful idiots it's talking points and otoc has dutifully picked up the flag and started a parade.

    Lets talk about RUSSIA meddlin..

    Does Mueller Indictment Mean Clinton Campaign Can Be Indicted for Chris Steele?

    Special Counsel Robert Mueller indicted foreign citizens for trying to influence the American public about an election because those citizens did not register as a foreign agent nor record their financial expenditures to the Federal Elections Commission. By that theory, when will Mueller indict Christopher Steele, FusionGPS, PerkinsCoie, the DNC and the Clinton Campaign? Mueller’s indictment against 13 Russian trolls claimed their social media political activity was criminal because: they were foreign citizens; they tried to influence an election; and they neither registered under the Foreign Agents Registration Act nor reported their funding to the Federal Elections Commission.

    First, if Mueller’s theory is correct, three things make Steele a criminal: first, he is a foreign citizen; second, he tried to influence an election, which he received payments to do (including from the FBI itself); and third, he neither registered as a foreign agent nor listed his receipts and expenditures to the Federal Election Commission. Also, according to the FBI, along the way, Steele lied…a lot, while the dossier he disseminated contained its own lies based on bought-and-paid for smears from foreign sources reliant on rumors and innuendo.


    Second, if Mueller’s theory is correct, three things make FusionGPS a criminal co-conspirator: it knew Steele was a foreign citizen; it knew, and paid, Steele to influence an election; and it knew, and facilitated, Steele neither registering as a foreign agent nor reporting his funding from the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign to the Federal Election Commission.


    Third, if Mueller’s theory is correct, then three things make PerkinsCoie a potential target: it knew Steele was a foreign citizen; it knew, and paid, Steele to influence an election; and it knew, and facilitated, Steele neither registering as a foreign agent nor reporting his funding from the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign to the Federal Election Commission, by disguising its receipt of payments from the Clinton campaign as a “legal expense.”


    Fourth, if Mueller’s theory is correct, then three things make the DNC a potential target: it knew Steele was a foreign citizen; it knew, and paid, Steele to influence an election; and it knew, and facilitated, Steele neither registering as a foreign agent nor reporting his funding from the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign to the Federal Election Commission, by disguising its payments to Steele as laundered legal expenses to a law firm.


    Fifth, if Mueller’s theory is correct, three things make the Clinton Campaign a potential target: it knew Steele was a foreign citizen; it knew, and paid, Steele to influence an election; and it knew, and facilitated, Steele neither registering as a foreign agent nor reporting his funding from the Clinton campaign to the Federal Election Commission, by disguising its funding of payments to Steele laundered through a law firm as a “legal expense.”


    Don’t expect such an indictment. Mueller chose his targets because he knows they will never appear in court, never contest the charges, and cannot be arrested or extradited as Russian citizens. Mueller’s unprecedented prosecution raises three novel arguments: first, that speaking out about American politics requires a foreign citizen to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act; second, that speaking out about American politics requires a foreign citizen list their source and expenditure of funding to the Federal Election Commission; and third, that mistakes on visa applications constitute “fraud” on the State Department. All appear to borrow from the now-discredited “honest services” theories Mueller’s team previously used in corporate and bribery cases, cases the Supreme Court overturned for their unconstitutional vagueness. The indictment raises serious issues under the free speech clause of the First Amendment and due process rights under the Fifth Amendment.
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    Re: What about the Russians?

    Quote Originally Posted by baghdad bob View Post
    so your afraid of the russians and are willing to over look their interfering with our elections and democracy? is that why trump's been sitting on the bipartisan sanctions bill?

    oh, or is it because your guy won and don't want to admit the russians had a part in it.

    you, the republican party and the administration haven't acknowledge the russian attacked on our electoral system, so how can you do
    anything to prevent it again. that must be why nothings been done in over a year.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...16254?lo=ap_e2



    russian interference was fake news until it wasn't. denial, denial, denial...........deflection, deflection, deflection............ soros???
    koch brothers??????????? A Guide to the Billionaires Bankrolling the GOP Candidates

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    I see bb is unsuccessfully attempting the



    maneuver as well. Join otoc with that parade.

    Russian interference was not what you useful idiots were harping about just after your horrible candidate cankles lost... it was "RUSSIAN COLLUSION".... something there is not even a statute for.

    The IG report is looking not-so-good for your side of the isle.... as if it needed help embarrassing itself it looks like all the collusion was done by your party and it's operatives.

    Now Mueller has indicted a few reds (see story I linked above) and all of a sudden the topic switched presto-chango to "interference". Good luck with that bullsh*t guys.
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    Re: What about the Russians?

    Quote Originally Posted by baghdad bob View Post
    trump would like to join the tlr.....
    Quote Originally Posted by Stinky View Post

    Yup. Or does tlr pretty much simply repeat his tweets and that embracing style of his?
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    Re: What about the Russians?

    I would like to know what kind of effective sanctions we can put on the Russians. With the Europeans buying oil from Russia that aint going to stop. The only other things the Russians sell is weapons from the AK 47 to missles and fighter aircraft that ain’t going to stop either. All the diplomatic sanctions they don’t care about. Don’t forget Urainium One they can sell uranium to Iran and NK.

    The only answer is do the same cyber interference they do to us to them only more disruptive.
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    Re: What about the Russians?

    It seems our intelligence agencies are more interested in cyber warfare against the American people.

    You might want to talk to Obambi and Hillary about that.
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    Re: What about the Russians?

    Trump is such a victim of himself...

    Trump Falsely Claims, ‘I Never Said Russia Did Not Meddle’
    WASHINGTON — President Trump falsely claimed in an early Sunday morning Twitter post that he had never rejected the notion that Russia interfered in the 2016 election.

    “I never said Russia did not meddle in the election, I said ‘it may be Russia, or China or another country or group, or it may be a 400 pound genius sitting in bed and playing with his computer,’” Mr. Trump wrote. “The Russian ‘hoax’ was that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia - it never did!

    Mr. Trump is referring to comments he made during the first presidential debate on Sept. 26, 2016. But as The New York Times reported in a fact-check in June, Mr. Trump has also explicitly disagreed with the assessment of various intelligence agencies or cast doubt on Russia’s role in the vote. Here are eight examples, in chronological order.

    June 2016: “It was the D.N.C. that did the ‘hacking.’”

    The Democratic National Committee said that Russian hackers had obtained a trove of internal emails and opposition research. In response, Mr. Trump suggested that the D.N.C. fabricated the story or did the hacking itself:

    “We believe it was the D.N.C. that did the ‘hacking’ as a way to distract from the many issues facing their deeply flawed candidate and failed party leader. Too bad the D.N.C. doesn’t hack Crooked Hillary’s 33,000 missing emails,” Mr. Trump said in a statement on June 15, referring to Hillary Clinton, his Democratic opponent.

    September 2016: “I don’t think anybody knows it was Russia that broke into the D.N.C.”

    As the presidential nominees of their political parties, Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton began receiving government intelligence reports in August. On Sept. 22, top Democrats on congressional intelligence committees issued a public statement blaming Russia, “based on briefings we have received.”

    Four days later, during the first presidential debate, Mr. Trump declined to agree:

    “I don’t think anybody knows it was Russia that broke into the D.N.C. She’s saying Russia, Russia, Russia, but I don’t — maybe it was. I mean, it could be Russia, but it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, O.K.?”

    October 2016: “Maybe there is no hacking.”

    On Oct. 7, the United States intelligence community released a statement saying it was “confident that the Russian government” directed the cyberattacks.

    Two days later, Mr. Trump again expressed doubt during the second presidential debate that Russia was responsible:

    “But I notice, anytime anything wrong happens, they like to say the Russians are — she doesn’t know if it’s the Russians doing the hacking. Maybe there is no hacking. But they always blame Russia. And the reason they blame Russia because they think they’re trying to tarnish me with Russia.”

    December 2016: “I don’t believe they interfered. That became a laughing point, not a talking point, a laughing point.”

    In an interview with Time magazine that December, Mr. Trump, then the president-elect, rejected the notion of Russian interference, even as he entertained the possibility but then suggested other culprits:

    “I don’t believe they interfered. That became a laughing point, not a talking point, a laughing point. Anytime I do something, they say, ‘Oh, Russia interfered.’ Why not get along with Russia? And they can help us fight ISIS, which is both costly in lives and costly in money. And they’re effective and smart. It could be Russia. And it could be China. And it could be some guy in his home in New Jersey. I believe that it could have been Russia and it could have been any one of many other people. Sources or even individuals.”

    After reports from The Times and The Washington Post that the intelligence communities concluded that Russia acted to aid Mr. Trump in December, Mr. Trump again disagreed. “Unless you catch ‘hackers’ in the act, it is very hard to determine who was doing the hacking. Why wasn’t this brought up before election?” he wrote.

    On Dec. 29, outgoing President Barack Obama issued sanctions against Russia and ejected 35 suspected Russian intelligence operatives from the United States. Two days later, Mr. Trump said he still wasn’t convinced that Moscow had played a role in the vote:

    “And I know a lot about hacking. And hacking is a very hard thing to prove. So it could be somebody else,” he said to reporters in Palm Beach, Fla.

    January 2017: “Russia, China, other countries, outside groups and people are consistently trying to break through the cyberinfrastructure of our governmental institutions.”

    On Jan. 6, the intelligence community released an unclassified report about Russia’s multifaceted attempt to influence the 2016 presidential election. After being briefed on the full report that day, Mr. Trump pointed to “Russia, China, other countries, outside groups and people.”

    May: “If Russia did anything having to do with our election, I want to know about it.”

    In an interview with NBC’s Lester Holt, Mr. Trump spoke of Russian interference as a hypothetical possibility:

    Mr. Trump: “If Russia hacked — if Russia did anything having to do with our election, I want to know about it.”

    Mr. Holt: “Well, there’s already — there’s already intelligence from virtually every intelligence agency that yes, that happened.”

    Mr. Trump: “I’ll tell you this. If Russia or anybody else is trying to interfere with our elections, I think it’s a horrible thing and I want to get to the bottom of it. And I want to make sure it will never, ever happen.”

    July: “Somebody did say if he did do it, you wouldn’t have found out about it.”

    After meeting with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia during a Group of 20 summit meeting, Mr. Trump said in an interview:

    “First question — first 20, 25 minutes — I said, ‘Did you do it?’ He said, ‘No, I did not, absolutely not.’ I then asked him a second time, in a totally different way. He said, ‘Absolutely not.’

    “Somebody did say if he did do it, you wouldn’t have found out about it. Which is a very interesting point.”

    November: “Every time he sees me, he says, ‘I didn’t do that.’”

    During a trip to Asia, Mr. Trump met privately with Mr. Putin and told reporters that he believed Mr. Putin’s sincerity as he continued to cast doubt on the F.B.I.’s handling of hacked emails. He also criticized Ms. Clinton’s campaign chairman, John D. Podesta, and described John O. Brennan, the former C.I.A. director, and intelligence officials as “political hacks.”

    Of his meeting with the Russian leader, Mr. Trump said:

    “Every time he sees me, he says, ‘I didn’t do that.’ And I believe — I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it. But he says, ‘I didn’t do that.’”

    “I think that he is very, very strong in the fact that he didn’t do it. And then you look, and you look at what’s going on with Podesta, and you look at what’s going on with the server from the D.N.C. and why didn’t the F.B.I. take it, why did they leave it; why did a third party look at the server and not the F.B.I. — if you look at all of this stuff, and you say, what’s going on here?

    “And then you hear it’s 17 agencies. Well, it’s three. And one is Brennan and one is whatever. I mean, give me a break. They’re political hacks.”
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